why are there no WW1 games?

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aalio

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Aqualung said:
aalio said:
Aqualung said:
How about a WW1 game, then, where you have the superhuman ability to turn invisible? Your superiors eventually discover this, and then all of a sudden, you're sent booking it across No Man's Land into the German trenches to sabotage, assassinate officers, etc.

A Call of Duty style shooter in WW1... Could not be very fun, I agree. The guns are just.. Bleck.

Either way, if there is one, it needs Uncharted's dirty clothes graphics for every time you fall in the mud. :]
And its consumers like you who are the reason that the gaming industry has tanked.
It was a suggestion. GFY.
Gimmicky shit like that ruins gaming, when a game becomes more focused on gimmicks then it does on actual story it ruins the game. Unfortunately, 90% of games nowadays are based on gimmicks.
 

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aalio said:
Gimmicky shit like that ruins gaming, when a game becomes more focused on gimmicks then it does on actual story it ruins the game. Unfortunately, 90% of games nowadays are based on gimmicks.
So gimmicky shit like 'superpowers' ruined Bioshock?

Gimmicky V.A.T.S. ruined Fallout 3?

I didn't say anything about story, I gave one dumb spur of the moment thought of a way to put a twist on a concept that has been done to death- first person war based shooters. So why the hell are you whining about one suggestive comment someone else made on a forum? And who says my random idea COULDN'T have an 'actual story'? What's your idea of an actual story- copy and pasting WW1 events straight from Wikipedia?

I pray you don't make your own video game someday, because it would likely be boring as hell.
 

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Aqualung said:
So gimmicky shit like 'superpowers' ruined Bioshock?

Gimmicky V.A.T.S. ruined Fallout 3?

I didn't say anything about story, I gave one dumb spur of the moment thought of a way to put a twist on a concept that has been done to death- first person war based shooters. So why the hell are you whining about one suggestive comment someone else made on a forum? And who says my random idea COULDN'T have an 'actual story'? What's your idea of an actual story- copy and pasting WW1 events straight from Wikipedia?

I pray you don't make your own video game someday, because it would likely be boring as hell.
I'm just glad you forwarded an idea instead of just trashing it outright. Just out of curiosity, since you like game design and history, did you like any of the ideas proposed earlier?
Keep the input coming if interests you. I would encourage anyone who have ideas or like game design to try their hand at this subject.
 

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The Tommy said:
I'm just glad you forwarded an idea instead of just trashing it outright. Just out of curiosity, since you like game design and history, did you like any of the ideas proposed earlier?
Keep the input coming if interests you. I would encourage anyone who have ideas or like game design to try their hand at this subject.
While I did like the very vague idea 'Dangerious P. Cats' presented around page five I think, regarding using squad command and a better focus on close-range melee, I think that most of the ideas given here are a bit too typical- sure, people are trying to figure out how to make this war entertaining in a gaming style, (which is hard enough with the whole story already firmly written) but what about adding moods and atmosphere other than, "Brave soldiers did this, you were courageous, we knocked back the Triple Alliance and went home and had a good masculine beer"?

Devastating horrors were introduced during the first World War, from mustard gas, to the close quarters soldiers faced with their companions, whether they be dead or alive. Why should a WW1 game focus just on combat and defeating the enemy? It's an ending we all know and remember to this day. Sure, you're 'experiencing' the war, but it's not really much of an experience by shoving a camera man into the battle field, handing him a gun, and saying, "You must capture three bases and whenever you die, you'll just come right back"?

I'd rather try to really demonstrate the horrors of the war- and any other war, for that matter- through psychological means. A sort of psychological, action, horror, thriller game. Imagine not only having to lift your head every so often, frozen with fear of seeing the heads of the enemy peeking back towards you- but having this war affect you on a psychological level as well? When not shooting at the enemy from an unspecified location (so the player never knows where in history they are, or how the outcome will be; anhiallation or victory) the player would have to deal with, say, playing through disturbing nightmares of No Man's Land strewn with the bodies of loved ones, fighting ghosts of the main character's past before the war, or encountering German soldiers forced into combat without consent, murdered brutally at such a young age?

But you know, a typical shooter could be good too I guess. :]
 

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Lord Thodin said:
Cause Hitlers not nearly as interesting as a child
He fought in WWI genius
Aqualung said:
aalio said:
Gimmicky shit like that ruins gaming, when a game becomes more focused on gimmicks then it does on actual story it ruins the game. Unfortunately, 90% of games nowadays are based on gimmicks.
So gimmicky shit like 'superpowers' ruined Bioshock?

Gimmicky V.A.T.S. ruined Fallout 3?

I didn't say anything about story, I gave one dumb spur of the moment thought of a way to put a twist on a concept that has been done to death- first person war based shooters. So why the hell are you whining about one suggestive comment someone else made on a forum? And who says my random idea COULDN'T have an 'actual story'? What's your idea of an actual story- copy and pasting WW1 events straight from Wikipedia?

I pray you don't make your own video game someday, because it would likely be boring as hell.
I said when gimmicky things become more important than story line
 

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aalio said:
Lord Thodin said:
Cause Hitlers not nearly as interesting as a child
He fought in WWI genius
Either your an incredible asshole or the sarcasm was lost through the computer screen.

I know he was, he gave a famous speech to a group of people in an underground bunker while it was being fired on.
 

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Probably because none of them could fully capture the epic awesomeness that is Manfred Albrecht Freiherr von Richthofen
That's The Red Baron for those of you who don't know that already
Yes, I know I'm a bad American because I think the coolest guy in WWI was from the Central Powers, but come on, the man shot down 80 planes and has had three songs written about him by The Royal Guardsmen
The songs are "Snoopy VS the Red Baron" "The Return of the Red Baron" and "Snoopy's Christmas"
 

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Macgyvercas said:
Probably because none of them could fully capture the epic awesomeness that is Manfred Albrecht Freiherr von Richthofen
That's The Red Baron for those of you who don't know that already
Yes, I know I'm a bad American because I think the coolest guy in WWI was from the Central Powers, but come on, the man shot down 80 planes and has had three songs written about him by The Royal Guardsmen
The songs are "Snoopy VS the Red Baron" "The Return of the Red Baron" and "Snoopy's Christmas"
LOL very nice!

MortisLegio said:
in the words of yahtzee "it would be really fucking boring"
Couldn't be more boring than your statement repeating an already boring statement.
 

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The Tommy said:
Macgyvercas said:
Probably because none of them could fully capture the epic awesomeness that is Manfred Albrecht Freiherr von Richthofen
That's The Red Baron for those of you who don't know that already
Yes, I know I'm a bad American because I think the coolest guy in WWI was from the Central Powers, but come on, the man shot down 80 planes and has had three songs written about him by The Royal Guardsmen
The songs are "Snoopy VS the Red Baron" "The Return of the Red Baron" and "Snoopy's Christmas"
LOL very nice!

MortisLegio said:
in the words of yahtzee "it would be really fucking boring"
Couldn't be more boring than your statement repeating an already boring statement.
(pulls out history book)
dont tempt me boy...
 

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MortisLegio said:
The Tommy said:
Macgyvercas said:
Probably because none of them could fully capture the epic awesomeness that is Manfred Albrecht Freiherr von Richthofen
That's The Red Baron for those of you who don't know that already
Yes, I know I'm a bad American because I think the coolest guy in WWI was from the Central Powers, but come on, the man shot down 80 planes and has had three songs written about him by The Royal Guardsmen
The songs are "Snoopy VS the Red Baron" "The Return of the Red Baron" and "Snoopy's Christmas"
LOL very nice!

MortisLegio said:
in the words of yahtzee "it would be really fucking boring"
Couldn't be more boring than your statement repeating an already boring statement.
(pulls out history book)
dont tempt me boy...
Pulls out history books, articles, dissertations, notes, first hand sources, documentaries and over 10 years of studying...
I do..
 

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Major Tom said:
Smagmuck08 said:
3) GORE, GORE, GORE.
Huh, I thought gore would be a major selling point nowadays. 'Check out our state of the art dismemberment engine! Now when you boom!headshot! a d00d, his head will explode in a manner dependant on where you shot him! You can blow off jaws and pop out spines in a totally realistic manner!'

That sort of marketing seems to work for God of War 3......

The other 2 points have already dealt with in this thread. More to WWI than trench warfare, gas not used as often as everyone thinks etc.

I had a thought, you could so fit in an aerial section a la Call of Duty. You could be the gunner in a FB.5 Gunbus [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vickers_FB.5], tasked with protecting some B.E.2's [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Aircraft_Factory_B.E.2] taking photos of the front line. In the distance, you spot some incoming aircraft.....an unidentified type of monoplane. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fokker_Eindecker] As you get ready to engage the enemy, one of them opens fire and shoots down a recon planes on it's first pass! Impossible! It can fire through the propeller arc?! What was a routine engagement has suddenly turned into a desperate fight for survival against this fast and nimble new plane armed with a brand new kind of weapon.....the Fokker Scourge has begun.
Totally brilliant.

Tom Thought you might enjoy this lot. Not totally accurate regarding the E.III fighting against a Camel in 1917 but a work of art none the less. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01mG3RDdf28
 

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Mimsofthedawg said:
Superhyperactiveman said:
It was started by Austria-Hungary, which is the equivalent of a flame war started by a mentally challenged turtle, and led by Fred from Youtube...
bahahahaha!

No but seriously, you could make a good game, you'd just have to focus on a different part than the trench warfare. They had covert operations back then, and there were a variety of battles that didn't include trenches. It could be done, but they wouldn't be able to make a plethora of games like the WWII genre. Although, another idea would be to make an alternate history where something different happens in the war. But then, this isn't really a game based on WWI but rather a game based on the atmosphere of it.
I refer to Aqualung's observation on the importance of atmosphere on the Western Front. A game about the Western Front could indeed work if it incorporated all the elements of mobile tactics developed during four hard years of fighting. People like playing in eerie dark settings so it could certainly work.

But you are right about the War's scope allowing for a great deal of variety.
 

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waggmd said:
A WWI game from the Canadian perspective would be interesting.
Hahah YEAH!
But seriously. Anything about Canadians is interesting. I love that country.
More interestingly, I think if you could somehow base it loosley on the biological warfare.. could be an okay game. But like alot of people have pointed out, anything can be good with the right company! I vote they try and make one. Even it's just to get it out there.
 

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sabaducia said:
waggmd said:
A WWI game from the Canadian perspective would be interesting.
Hahah YEAH!
But seriously. Anything about Canadians is interesting. I love that country.
More interestingly, I think if you could somehow base it loosley on the biological warfare.. could be an okay game. But like alot of people have pointed out, anything can be good with the right company! I vote they try and make one. Even it's just to get it out there.
Chemical Warfare, despite what most people have said, was rather uncommon considering the other methods of killing in the war. It was still unreliable and dangerous to both sides if the winds were wrong. What could make an interesting part of the game is the fact that shellholes could often retain gas at the bottom where it would settle for a longer period in concentration and prove devastating to an unwary soldier seeking cover.

I'm sure a WWI game would do well in Canada considering their history.