Why aren't more realistic and serious animated movies being made?

[ace_of_something]

Bebe's Kids and Cool World were TERRIBLE adult animated comedies.
There was the Spawn show on HBO which was animated had rape,murder, all that good stuff.

Oh

Heavy Metal a sex and action movie also terrible.

I think the caveat here should be there are not 'western animated movies for adults that are GOOD'

 

[jprf]

Waltz with Bashir? Would be pretty hard to make a kid sit through that.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

Animated movies are not all for kids. I don't need to say anything more, as this topic is blatantly unresearched and stupid beyond words. You've clearly never actually gone and looked for the entire genre of animated movies that aren't for children. Unless you want them to grow up as gore fetishests.

Way to not read the OP Jeran!

OT:

I can't think of any animated films with purely adult subject matter right off the bat, except for animes which 1) I don't like and 2) don't fit your criteria for no weird art or proportions.

 

[Queen Michael]

the lion king definitely doesn't sound like a kid movie and isn't a comedy.

All of the movies you recommend violate rules on my list. There's nothing wrong or childish with that per se, it's just that you should be able to make a film that follows my rules and still is good. If live-action films can do it, why shouldn't animation be able to do it too?

They are, and they have, and we have examples in this thread. I am curious about your use of English, are you native speaker? If so, don't you think that the way you redacted there implies that the industry haven't to the best of your knowledge created a film like the one you describe?

As a non native speaker, i am just curious if having that impression is correct or just a misunderstanding on my part.

Nope, not a native speaker. And the way I redacted? I just quoted the entire text. I didn't redact.

 

[Drakmeire]

Trying to prevent myself from bringing up the many anime movies I have for this topic Since I enjoy dark sci-fi like Akira (mature sci-fi movie about the corruption of science), End of Evangelion (Giant robot movie with a very dark overall world view and the eradication of the entire human race), Paprika(like Inception but with a murder-mystery plot and more trippy visuals).
I might have to go with "plague dogs"
Awww it's a movie about puppies, how bad can it b-
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OH GOD!
Yeah, this movie is a talking animal movie about the horrors of animal testing.
also has one of the most depressing endings of all time.
The two main dogs swim out to see to escape the people chasing them and it's heavily implied that they drown before making it to their goal.

 

[IndianaJonny]

If you're looking for mature Western animation then I'd check out the work of Ralph Bakshi [//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Bakshi]. Though I warn you now, he's not to everyone's taste; here's a sample of the kind of work he put out with the trailers for Heavy Traffic and American Pop:

Spoiler: *Spoilered for size*

His Spicy City series is also worth checking out but that's in the sci-fi/noir/absurd genre.

 

[Hollock]

The whole appeal of animation is that it can do things that live action can't.
But they have, and they could. It's not like if when they tried to make waltz with bashir the paper was spontaneously combusting because there weren't elves or aliens on the paper.
the problem isn't that only kids want to see animated movies, the problem is that for a while they only made animated movies for kids.

 

[absoul11]

1. Are completely realistic in plot and look, that is, people have realistic proportions and it doesn't contain supernatural or sci-fi concepts. Of course, neither sf or fantasy are inherently childish. But live-action directors can create masterpieces without fantasy elements or sf elements. I'm just asking animation to do the same.

.[/b]

I'm fine with looking realistic, but why not have sci-fi or fantasy? There are many movies (with or without it) that are amazing so should that matter? Also, what if the proportions were realistic but the colors were on the cartoonish side.

 

[flatten_the_skyline]

Grave of the Fireflies

One of the saddest movies ever, and you'd wish it was sci-Fi or an alternate timeline.

 

[Rin Little]

I can rattle off a good few...

Any of the Ghost in the Shell movies
Perfect Blue
Paprika
Persepolis, probably this one more than any of them. It deals with the life of a girl growing up during the regime in Iran and it follows her all the way through adulthood.

 

[Queen Michael]

I can rattle off a good few...

Any of the Ghost in the Shell movies
Perfect Blue
Paprika
Persepolis, probably this one more than any of them. It deals with the life of a girl growing up during the regime in Iran and it follows her all the way through adulthood.

Ghost in the Shell and Paprika are sf. So thanks, but no thanks. The other ones suit my list perfectly, though. I told my girlfriend to PLEASE watch just the first ten minutes of Persepolis even thogh she thought the DVD cover indicated that she wouldn't like it. She didn't have to keep watching after the first ten minutes if she didn't want to. She agreed, finally, and ended up watching it AND taking it home to her mom to show it to her too.

 

[Queen Michael]

1. Are completely realistic in plot and look, that is, people have realistic proportions and it doesn't contain supernatural or sci-fi concepts. Of course, neither sf or fantasy are inherently childish. But live-action directors can create masterpieces without fantasy elements or sf elements. I'm just asking animation to do the same.

.[/b]

I'm fine with looking realistic, but why not have sci-fi or fantasy? There are many movies (with or without it) that are amazing so should that matter? Also, what if the proportions were realistic but the colors were on the cartoonish side.

Why not have sci-fi or fantasy? Because making movies that aren't helps fight the stereotype that animation is a genre and not a look. If the proportions were realistic but the colors were on the cartoonish side? That's fine.

 

[Freeze_L]

Screw your rules 1 and 2. An adult movie those do not make. When you don't have the limitations of real life people why WOULD you try to do super realistic?
And swearing makes the difference? how?

also, I've heard Akita is pretty intense.

This. A draw of animation as a medium is that it goes beyond the limits of reality and allows the artist to portray something they could not otherwise portray. Sure big budget studios can pull off realistic scifi but most artists and studios can't. Getting rid of fantasy and scifi from animation is getting rid of a large portion of movies that otherwise fulfill your list. If you were making a realistic movie why on earth choose animation as a medium!

 

[DarkRyter]

Redline.

Seven years to make. Entirely hand drawn. Think of it as The Fast and the Furious in Space.

It's not "mature", but in no way is it suitable for children.

 

[New Vegas Samurai]

Graveyard of the fireflies
That should be something that fits...
It's based on the life of Akiyuki Nosaka, and I REALLY doubt it counts as a "kid's concept".
It's akin to "the boy in the stripped pajamas" as well as "Empire of the sun"

 

[Chemical Alia]

Animated movies ARE for kids. Children are the target audience and the movie is produced primarily to be understood and enjoyed by them, but that's not to say that many are of such a high quality that they can't be appreciated by adults.

I'm not sure how your points determine whether something is meant for kids. To me, it seems as simple as the target audience being whoever the creators intended it to be, and you can be sure that they made that decision early on.

I grew up with Disney movies like The Little Mermaid and Aladdin, and as an adult I can still appreciate the artwork and storytelling. Though I never watched anime as a kid and don't watch it now. And even the most "adult" ones that people proclaim to be meant for a "mature" audience just seem immature and childish to me. Maybe with more rape, but I could never take any anime seriously on a level beyond a crappy live-action B movie. Maybe you have to grow up with that, too.

 

[Queen Michael]

Screw your rules 1 and 2. An adult movie those do not make. When you don't have the limitations of real life people why WOULD you try to do super realistic?
And swearing makes the difference? how?

also, I've heard Akita is pretty intense.

This. A draw of animation as a medium is that it goes beyond the limits of reality and allows the artist to portray something they could not otherwise portray. Sure big budget studios can pull off realistic scifi but most artists and studios can't. Getting rid of fantasy and scifi from animation is getting rid of a large portion of movies that otherwise fulfill your list. If you were making a realistic movie why on earth choose animation as a medium!

Either you're saying that realistic animated movies are bound to be bad. In that case, you're wring. Or you're saying that they'd be good. In that case, don't you agree that these good movies should be made?

"If you were making a realistic movie why on earth choose animation as a medium!" Because animation that's realistic has a unique beauty.

 

[Von Dean]

Tekkonkinkreet..

 

[TheDooD]

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