Why can't I not like a form of music?

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ZeroMachine

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From all the explanations you gave, you seem like one of the most reasonable people I've ever heard an opinion from. If anyone tells you you're wrong for not liking music, explain your reasons the way you did here nicely and calmly, and if they still ***** about it, heavy metal scream them to death.

(For the record, all of that was serious. I normally wouldn't condone killing, but if you actually can kill someone just by doing a heavy metal scream, that'd just be... well... metal. As someone who grew out of metal for the most part, I can respect that. :p)
 

Something Amyss

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Latkje said:
There's quality contemporary music in every genre, just because you aren't willing to dig around and find it doesn't make that any less true.

R&B: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtLBud9zPF0

Dubstep: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOd34eiaq3M

Post-hardcore: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsLUYzKGlZA

Screamo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw7I6aIqlzA

Pop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQiT9ibMw_c

Hip-hop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnoBIQWS5bs
I'm not sure who you're going to convince with that post. I couldn't stand most of your examples, and I actually LIKE several of the genres listed. If these are the big examples of your statement that there is quality music in every genre, I'd say you just failed.
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
Latkje said:
There's quality contemporary music in every genre, just because you aren't willing to dig around and find it doesn't make that any less true.

R&B: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtLBud9zPF0

Dubstep: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOd34eiaq3M

Post-hardcore: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsLUYzKGlZA

Screamo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw7I6aIqlzA

Pop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQiT9ibMw_c

Hip-hop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnoBIQWS5bs
I'm not sure who you're going to convince with that post. I couldn't stand most of your examples, and I actually LIKE several of the genres listed. If these are the big examples of your statement that there is quality music in every genre, I'd say you just failed.
Agreed... that Dubstep song has to be one of the most droll pieces of electronic music I've ever heard.
 

Latkje

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Zachary Amaranth said:
I'm not sure who you're going to convince with that post. I couldn't stand most of your examples, and I actually LIKE several of the genres listed. If these are the big examples of your statement that there is quality music in every genre, I'd say you just failed.


Perhaps your musical IQ is insufficient
 

Something Amyss

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TomLikesGuitar said:
Agreed... that Dubstep song has to be one of the most droll pieces of electronic music I've ever heard.
To be honest, I'm not a big fan of electronic to begin with, but that would put me off well before it sold me.

Latkje said:
Perhaps your musical IQ is insufficient
Perhaps I simply don't like the same things you do, and your hostility is unmerited.
 

The Wykydtron

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I'm into soundtracks at the moment. Like Rocket Raccoon's theme in UMVC3.


Awesome right? Now just imagine that song playing over a symphony of "LOG TRAP!" "SHRAPNEL TRAP!" "BEAR TRAP!"

And my personal favourite "ROCK AND ROLLLLLL!"

Damn i wish i could play RR anywhere near well... Teleport spam only gets you so far... Morrigan's theme just isn't as good dammit!

If i had to name a genre of music i'd say orchestral metal. Or just straight generic metal.
 

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AC10 said:
Dubstep has nothing to do with metal. It evolved from Wobble (yes, that was a genre).
There's also a contingent of dubsetep listeners who insist mondern dubstep be called "bro-step" as it focuses very heavily on the midrange instead of sub-bass like old dubstep.

I don't really care for dubstep in most forms. I like what Chase and Status are doing (they're sort of mixing dubstep, grime, urban and breaks) when they aren't just making straight up D&B.
Nope it didn't evolve from Wobble, or what the hell that is.

Dubstep is a fusion of Two-step UK Garage, and Dub, hence the name.

Brostep as it is called, emphasizes on the Dub part of Dubstep, while totally neglecting the Two-step part.

The very new genre of Future Garage was made, as a protest against Brostep, which emphasizes on the Two-step, while neglecting the Dub part, so it's the complete opposite to Brostep in that respect.
 

Chemical Alia

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Of course you can dislike a style of music. I dislike almost all the music I hear, especially all the newfangled noise the kids are listening to these days. Just listen to what you enjoy, but keep an open mind.

Also, I still have no idea what dubstep is.
 

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I might be biased, I don't know, I've taken a strong liking to so-called "dubstep" and other kinds of bass heavy music these past few months, now but I for one I wouldn't let a distaste of the popular conception of Dubstep (which, to be honest, I think the popular conception is a miserable mash of noise) to stop you from exploring avenues of other music that incorporate heavy glitch and wobbly bass elements.

A lot of it is actually quite good. Unless, of course, someone is just one of those types that just simply has an aversion to electronic music in general.

I didn't have much interest or understanding of dubstep and other heavy, glitched-out, bass-driven music at all, but now I'm hooked. The more I dig, the more it's climbing the ranks of being among my favorite sounds. I'm very happy to have discovered the sound, and will be exploring them for quite a while to come.

Because things like this--


--make my brain feel sexy. For whatever reason.

[sub]PS: It could very well be the case that certain "medications" legal in certain states may affect the enjoyment of bass-heavy music with a positive correlation to the levels of "medication" one may choose to partake. Well, it certainly doesn't hurt.[/sub]
 

Dante DiVongola

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TomLikesGuitar said:
Dante DiVongola said:
For me, dubstep seems like the bastard child of Nu-Metal and Drone Metal that also fused some techno elements in there as well.
Im sorry, what?

That's not dubstep. Nu-metal typically refers to excessively stringed, downtuned instruments repeating a heavy riff while screaming, and drone metal is just metal in slow motion. Neither of those have anything to do with dubstep or really any sort of electronica.

Dubstep is a general term used to describe music that relies heavily on a wobble-bass (a bass with a parabolic LFO curve). This is used in all sorts of music that classify as dubstep. Some of this music is very relaxed and has an almost reggae feel to it, and reggae is pretty much the anti-metal.

Personally, I think it's stupid to name a genre of music based on the wave shape of an instrument. Most popular dubstep is either electro, drum and bass, or hip hop, just with a wobble-bass.

If you still think dubstep is "metal [with] techno elements", listen to this and it should clear things up.



Source: Making electronic music for 10 years, teaching music, and playing guitar for 9 years.
I'm sorry, this was a 4AM post on an internet binge, so I kind of forgot to clarify some things and probably made a few errors. What I meant with Nu-Metal is the kind of elements that NIN and KoRn used to throw into some of their older songs before dub became an actual thing. With the Drone Metal thing, I'm talking about how it seems to be 'noisy' and can be extremely monotonous, also the fact that it's an acquired taste in the music world.

It's cool that you teach music and I respect that, man. Rock on! \m/
 

Dante DiVongola

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The Wykydtron said:
I'm into soundtracks at the moment. Like Rocket Raccoon's theme in UMVC3.


Awesome right? Now just imagine that song playing over a symphony of "LOG TRAP!" "SHRAPNEL TRAP!" "BEAR TRAP!"

And my personal favourite "ROCK AND ROLLLLLL!"

Damn i wish i could play RR anywhere near well... Teleport spam only gets you so far... Morrigan's theme just isn't as good dammit!

If i had to name a genre of music i'd say orchestral metal. Or just straight generic metal.
Orchestral Metal? That's a new one for me. Can ya hook me up with an example vid or a link, broski?
 

Robert Ewing

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People will defend their opinions.

For example, I can't understand why any human being would willingly listen to country and western, but they do. And I have no quarrel with that.
 

Dante DiVongola

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Latkje said:
There's quality contemporary music in every genre, just because you aren't willing to dig around and find it doesn't make that any less true.

R&B: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtLBud9zPF0

Dubstep: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOd34eiaq3M

Post-hardcore: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsLUYzKGlZA

Screamo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw7I6aIqlzA

Pop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQiT9ibMw_c

Hip-hop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnoBIQWS5bs
I'm sorry sir, but you insult me. I've tried to dig around for good music. I wouldn't be so daft as to try and declare that some parts (and I did mean only some, not all) of most music genres are bad. Sorry to say, your examples just further supported my beliefs.

The screamo and post-hardcore were the hardest to sit through, but the rest were only manageable simply because they were mediocre. It wasn't anything great enough to truly wow me and that's what I look for in all music that I try to listen to.
 

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Jazoni89 said:
AC10 said:
Dubstep has nothing to do with metal. It evolved from Wobble (yes, that was a genre).
There's also a contingent of dubsetep listeners who insist mondern dubstep be called "bro-step" as it focuses very heavily on the midrange instead of sub-bass like old dubstep.

I don't really care for dubstep in most forms. I like what Chase and Status are doing (they're sort of mixing dubstep, grime, urban and breaks) when they aren't just making straight up D&B.
Nope it didn't evolve from Wobble, or what the hell that is.

Dubstep is a fusion of Two-step UK Garage, and Dub, hence the name.

Brostep as it is called, emphasizes on the Dub part of Dubstep, while totally neglecting the Two-step part.

The very new genre of Future Garage was made, as a protest against Brostep, which emphasizes on the Two-step, while neglecting the Dub part, so it's the complete opposite to Brostep in that respect.
Well over in Ontario we didn't have such rigid genre definitions in our rave scene, so anything we couldn't fit into the existing per-defined genres with wobble bass we just called "wobble".
 

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Music is a very subjective thing. It's all about one's personal tastes, preferences, and mentality. You're welcome to like whatever music you like. Just as you're welcome to dislike whatever music you want.

AnarchistFish said:
I don't wanna act like a twatty, elitist hipster, especially since I'm not a massive fan of the genre, but the ignorance around dubstep is saddening. It's disappointing that as soon as you say 'dubstep', people automatically associate it with overproduced, overused, generic wubbing, in turn meaning that all the really good and creative dubstep artists are ignored.
And this right here is the problem. Today, dubstep as a whole is mistakenly associated with brostep. It's self a sub-genre of dubstep.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=brostep
In effect, brostep simply takes the most basic, and easily performed aspects of real dubstep and uses them as the basis for the entire sub-genre. This is why you'll find very little, if any, difference in sound from ANY Skrillex song or just about any other song by another brostep artist. (and I use the term artist here almost ironically)

It's popularity stems from the fact that it's odd, annoying, obnoxious, and VERY easily replicated by any jerk who fancies him/herself a musician. If you have a computer, an audio editing program, and can grasp the concept of an LFO effect, you can make brostep. It's THAT easy.

Abandon4093 said:
For some really cool dubstep. Where else are you going to look?

I mean seriously? You go to the master.

Thank you. I'm glad SOMEONE still appreciates the greatness that real dubstep has to offer and not what the current, God-awful trite known as "brostep" offers. (I'm looking at you Skrillex, you overrated twit)
 

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Dante DiVongola said:
I'm generally a type of person that likes a lot of music styles and genres. My favorite happens to be most (if no all) variations of metal. It's been a constant in my life, it's gotten me through the sad, the happy, and the in-between times, and the metal-head subculture is one that I'm proud to be part of.

However, my tastes go beyond that of just metal. I love acoustic, jazz (of all kinds), latin music (anything from salsa to bossa nova), classical, blues, rap, hip-hop, older r&b, electronica, techno, pop, punk, rock n' roll, country, bluegrass, classic rock, and all other forms of rock you could shake a stick at.

But I'm not into some of today's R&B, Dubstep, Screamo, Country, and Pop artists, who so many others say are really good. I respectfully disagree and say that I really can't buy into some of these artists for a vast amount of reasons that I could probably go into depth about with each artist, though I'll start out with the easier one for me to express.

My general feelings on dubstep is that it's not layered enough and I tend to get too much of one constant thing. For me, dubstep seems like the bastard child of Nu-Metal and Drone Metal that also fused some techno elements in there as well. I don't mind some dubstep if there is other musical instrumentation going on as well, but for it to solely have just the dubstep element as the actual song seems a bit too dry for my palette.

I get that it's supposed to be this immersive music that you're supposed to experience in more of a euphoric, "free your mind" kind of way. But regular techno, nu-metal, and other genres do just that 10 times better for me than dubstep does on its own.

Another thing that's a little bit easier for me to explain my general distaste for is for the country I've heard in the past decade. Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with your typical Garth Brooks country boy or your Jimmy Buffet, but there is a general theme that I do hate about Country.

That thing is that it's generally turned into some horrible transformation of the Carter-style country that has almost a 'pop music theme' sheen to it. By that, I mean most of the music is just about relationships and relationship problems. Now, every genre has this to an extent, but when your basic lyrical content becomes how a boy caused you problems and the music in the background just becomes a series of sad, slow chord progressions, that's when it's become an abomination in my eyes.
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2. start searching and listening
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5. Profit!!!

my point is thease days complain about pop music is kind of pointless..you can find almost any obscure thing to fit your tastes and if you look enough then you may find somthign in a genre you usally dont like..that you actually like
 

Dante DiVongola

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NightHawk21 said:
It seems (based on what you're saying) that you're well enough experienced in music that you have had enough exposure with these other genres to make an informed decision. That being said, anyone who says you aren't allowed to dislike a genre of music obviously has no idea what they are talking about. It is your opinion on what you find pleasant and classify "good" music, just as it is there's. Granted you could argue that each type of music is an equally valid form of expression, but that doesn't mean you have to enjoy it. I for example don't listen to music (I may have listened to like 2-3 songs purposely over the last like 5 months), but I don't mind any style of music except for heavy screamo. Basically little teens yelling into the mic in some forced harsh voice just doesn't appeal to me and ruins perfectly good songs IMO, but some of my friends like it and who am I to say that what they like is wrong.
Loll I feel the exact same way about screamo, man. I do feel that a portion of what qualifies as good music is opinion based, however, I do feel there are quite a lot more artists out there who tend to just be mediocre or just plain bad because they know some people will like it.

There was an episode of CSI: Crime Scene Investigation where they were doing an investigation at some club where this band played. They purposely played awful music and noise and got money off of that because they knew some people would like it and call it good music.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to imply that the artists and genres I'm not into are doing that, but there are a lot of artists that actually do that in any genre.
 

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I don't think anyone is going to tell you that your subjective taste is necessarily wrong, but I would be cautious in dismissing whole genres of music out of hand, as most genres are extremely diverse. Ironically, I used to feel the same way about rap and hip hop as you do about dubstep, until I actually gave more of it a proper listen. Hell, there is now a subgenre called "lounge-hop" that is all kinds of terrific.

Now, if you were to start to whine about the quality of music today, you'd deserve a bit of a slap, mostly because A) the past had plenty of shit too, we just don't hear it anymore since it has been forgotten and B) there is plenty of great stuff being made, but thanks to the Internet we get people like Rebbecca Black and Justin Bieber (and other assorted pop hitters) hogging a lot of the attention.

Not that I care to even complain about that poppy pulp music either. Stuff like that is music for kids and teenagers and both groups sometimes have notoriously bad taste in art due to age and inexperience; get the fuck over it already, I say to all the obnoxious haters.

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Abandon4093 said:
For some really cool dubstep. Where else are you going to look?

I mean seriously? You go to the master.

Since when is Deadmau5 considered a dubstep artist? He has made a couple of alright dubstep remixes, but Ghosts 'n' Stuff doesn't qualify in the least.