At 25 I abandoned most modern music and still to this day find myself enthralled with The Rat Pack, Frank Zappa and Johnny Cash. Taste is subjective and will change.
Why can't I not like a form of music?
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You're not in the wrong, but if you express your opinion on the validity of certain artists over others in a genre, you're going to get your share of scorn.Dante DiVongola said:
Hell, I'm quite the Last.fm addict myself, and God forbid I even try to express my opinion on how I like a less liked album over the crowd favorite. Those punkers will put you to the sword but I don't give a shit, All is still a better album than Milo Goes to College.
Since it's been a prevalent theme here, that "dubstep", the one being made by every other 18-25 year old male in their basement by this point is probably the weakest shit I've heard since Sublime. Just putting it out there.
Loll nice choice in music.Bloodtrozorx said:
But yeah, taste in music is subjective, but I just don't like people trying to argue how they're music is really great and shove that down my throat. I'm open to learning about new styles in music genres and whatnot but people sometimes really think that my tastes and opinions are too skewed to see 'how great _____ can be'.
If I may rant off-topic for a moment, please: What I truly hate is that there are subgenres of subgenres of the subgenres of subgenres - ad infinitum. Jesus H. Christ. When even the people who profess to love something can't agree on what constitutes it, how the hell are outsiders supposed to navigate the maze? This is NOT "aimed" at anyone here - though the argument about dubstep certainly illustrates the point. Even after listening to all the examples given here, I probably couldn't pick it out of a lineup. To me own ears, it falls into the "techno" category. So, HA! And, god forbid you call something by the wrong subgenre of a subgenre. People act like it's worse than raping Mother Teresa's dead mom.
On topic: There's a ton of music I don't like simply because it doesn't appeal to me. There's a ton I do like because it does. I'm not saying it's bad, I'm saying I don't like it. It ticks me off to no end when people try to tell me that I just don't like some music or other because I don't understand it. I understand, "my ears like this" and, "my ears don't like this". What more do I need to understand? I can even see the merit in stuff I don't like. I just.. well.. don't like it. Why do I have to give any other reason?
Another off-topic: What I have a hard time tolerating is people who attack musicians/bands/fans personally. Not liking something is fine. Thinking something is bad is fine. Calling Justin Bieber a girl because you don't like his music and calling anyone who likes Nickelback stupid is uncalled for. It seriously reeks of not being able to find anything musically wrong with what you think is so bad.
And, back on topic, sort of: OP - If you don't like what's played on the more "mainstream" country stations, try to find some stuff from the (subgenre of a) subgenre known as Texas Country and see if you like that. It's much less polished. Hell, most of the singers sound off-key to me. But, I still like a lot of it. Probably my favorite song is "Crazy Like You" or, perhaps, "Fifty Dollars and a Flask of Crown". Oh, and just disregard songs like "Screw You, We're From Texas" and a lot of other Ray Wylie Hubbard songs. Unless, of course, you are from Texas and think that way.. in which case, carry on!
On topic: There's a ton of music I don't like simply because it doesn't appeal to me. There's a ton I do like because it does. I'm not saying it's bad, I'm saying I don't like it. It ticks me off to no end when people try to tell me that I just don't like some music or other because I don't understand it. I understand, "my ears like this" and, "my ears don't like this". What more do I need to understand? I can even see the merit in stuff I don't like. I just.. well.. don't like it. Why do I have to give any other reason?
Another off-topic: What I have a hard time tolerating is people who attack musicians/bands/fans personally. Not liking something is fine. Thinking something is bad is fine. Calling Justin Bieber a girl because you don't like his music and calling anyone who likes Nickelback stupid is uncalled for. It seriously reeks of not being able to find anything musically wrong with what you think is so bad.
And, back on topic, sort of: OP - If you don't like what's played on the more "mainstream" country stations, try to find some stuff from the (subgenre of a) subgenre known as Texas Country and see if you like that. It's much less polished. Hell, most of the singers sound off-key to me. But, I still like a lot of it. Probably my favorite song is "Crazy Like You" or, perhaps, "Fifty Dollars and a Flask of Crown". Oh, and just disregard songs like "Screw You, We're From Texas" and a lot of other Ray Wylie Hubbard songs. Unless, of course, you are from Texas and think that way.. in which case, carry on!
Yeah, here is the thing though: when fans, other musicians, and the music community at large are not calling it that, then it makes it sort of difficult to make the case for it being dubstep. Not once here in Deadmau5's native Canada has his early stuff ever been refereed to as dubstep from what I have seen, and everything I've read about the origins and musical composition of dubstep would seem to speak to this track being exceptionally not dubstep in nature. Even early UK dubstep sounds nothing like this track, from what I've heard. Ghosts 'n' Stuff is closer to progressive or electro house, if anything.Abandon4093 said:
Since that seems to be the case here, I'll have to ask you to elaborate a bit more then just saying dubstep is the "inclusion of of bass with a parabolic LFO curve", because that sounds a bit vague and way too simple from all that I've read and heard of the sub-genre. I'm hardly an expert, so please, do elaborate. What is a "parabolic LFO cure" and why does its inclusion in a track automatically make it a dubstep track?
A track with dubstep elements is not equatable to a dubstep track. They are not inclusive. Because it just doesn't make sense, and it serves to muddy already confusing waters. While I appreciate what you are saying, and agree that Ghosts n' Stuff utilizes a fair number of dubstep elements, it's popularly considered to fit right in right under the standard progressive house umbrella, due to its beat structure, its tempo, and its melodic structure, which is pure house.Abandon4093 said:
To qualify as a true dubstep track, it would seem to me a few elements aside from an oscillating bass frequency become important-- a lower tempo, emphasis on the back-beat, and a drop typically every 4-8 bars. THAT is getting more true to the genre association most would make. See: Skream
Otherwise, I'm prone to agree with your assessment-- there's two genres born out of the --step movement, and it's high time brostep stops being a euphemism and gets properly applied to the ramped-up tempo, mid-range oscillations, and sample chopping/skipping associated with that kind of music. See: Skrillex
Getting beyond purely electronic music, it's important that the distinction that an LFO does not equal dubstep be made.
Exhibit A: Lotus
Boy howdy, that sounds like some post-rock live electronica to me. But wait, what's this at 3:20? Suddenly we're in DnB land, but what's that sound? Sure, it's popularly found in dubstep, but I wouldn't call this track dubstep. It borrows elements from it in that later section, true, but dubstep this is not.
Exhibit B: STS9
Starting at about 1:20, once again, you'll hear elements familiar of dubstep in tempo, tone, and there's that low frequency oscillation again. But, the thing is, when this song was being recorded, dubstep was a thing that hadn't really left the London underground scene. Again, not a dubstep track.
Ok, I'm writing a lot of words now and I think I'm probably getting redundant.
The too long, didn't read takeaway should essentially be that it takes more than a low frequency oscillation to make dubstep. You can trace LFO usage clear to the 70s, you know. Prog rock and psychedlic rock outfits were flirting with that stuff decades ago. But they weren't making dubstep.
Since most people complain about the wubwub of the most popular dubstep tracks, I am now starting to think of this:
Which one is dubstep?
I honestly think that most people dislike a genre because they've either heard too little of it or too much of it. I mean, I don't like listening to black metal. I'm not really one to say why I don't like it, I just say "I don't like it". If someone showed me tons of good black metal songs, I would eventually get a liking to it. If I start listening to it all the time, I no longer like it.
It's merely a sub-genre of dubstep that most people are hating. The one that's influenced by grime. Just because it's the most popular one, does that give you a valid reason to dismiss the whole genre?
Which one is dubstep?
I honestly think that most people dislike a genre because they've either heard too little of it or too much of it. I mean, I don't like listening to black metal. I'm not really one to say why I don't like it, I just say "I don't like it". If someone showed me tons of good black metal songs, I would eventually get a liking to it. If I start listening to it all the time, I no longer like it.
It's merely a sub-genre of dubstep that most people are hating. The one that's influenced by grime. Just because it's the most popular one, does that give you a valid reason to dismiss the whole genre?
Most genres of electronic music are identified not by use of sounds, but rather beats. The sounds used usually are based off what sub-genre it is. It's normally pretty clear cut unless you use different beats.Abandon4093 said:
Dubstep is mainly influenced by dub reggae and 2-step (aka UK garage). If you listen both of those genres a bit and then concentrate on how the beat in early dubstep is developed you should be able to hear it for yourself. As it developed more into its own genre you can't really hear it as cleary though I think.
In regards to the grime... I think that partially came from 2-step as well. I can see why it would be so often used in dubstep anyways. People who made dubstep probably had some association to people who made grime, and there are probably quite a few people who made both.
(I normally don't double post, I heard that you won't be able to recieve a message from a quote if you edit it into an existing post.)
I don't like metal, rap , or modern day country, My favorites are Indie Rock , Punk Rock ,classic Rock , and 50s jazz/swing , as well as acoustic stuff , my favorite band is the gaslight anthem , Most modern music is not good ..... just throwing that out there i GURANTEEE its gonna fade like disco....