Why cant you kill kids?

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Cowabungaa

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Funny thing is, is that the game that's been called a wimpy girl game is the only game that does not only let you kill kids, but also lets you torture kids and even todlers. Obviously I'm talking about the Sims series here. Burn em, drown em, starve em, neglect them, you can do it all. And why didn't Jack Thompson slaughter this game yet?
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Bored Tomatoe said:
Supposedly because it would be so "morally wrong" and the players would feel incredibly bad after doing so. Not the case: In fallout 3, I wanted to strangle Princess in little lamplight... she's such a little *****. Also, I only felt bad about killing one person in Fallout 3, and that was Harold, the Mutant who was englufed by the tree, that just got to me for some reason.
Our views on this are uncanny.
I kinda felt bad after killing a Protectron, once.

Y'know, the one in the powdered wig?
Awww yea he was awesome, I usually enjoy blowing up robots in Fallout 3, but I just couldn't shoot that little bugger. Same with Harold, I let him live. But Little Lamplight....ooooo how did I want to exterminate that hellhole...
 

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Killing kids pushes the ESRB rating system into the AO range, also the games would become target by the media for being murder simulators even more.
I don't remember Oblivion having an AO rating. You can kill the adoring fan, over and over again..that little prick....
 

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It'd be interesting to make a survival horror game with a Virus that only affects adults, so the survivors (i.e. you) would not only be constantly surrounded by feral mutated adults, but have perfectly normal kids mixed in with the crowd.

I think that'd be a great survival horror game as you would be so hesitant to actually fire on your aggressors for fear of hitting an innocent child that you'd be shitting yourself the entire game. In dark levels you wouldn't know whether those footsteps coming towards you would be infected or children, how in the hell would you find the total lack of compassion to fire indiscriminately? That's about the only way I'd find killing children acceptable, since the only true horror these days is when we are forced to go against our own morality.


Also, the taboo around killing children is because they are naturally weaker than adults, so it's a little unfair to make them the bad guys, even if they're somehow turned feral. While turned adults could be considered to be on equal ground to your character, that's never the case with children. Even the poster game for child cruelty, Bioshock, gave them a big burly protector and the option to save them rather than chop them up to get at their tasty bits.
 

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Remleiz said:
Seriously, how come when any open[ish] world game or such like appears with annoying kids [im looking at you fable 2 and fallout 3] why cant you kill them?

im sure the developers dont want us to go out and kill kids in real life, but come on, it is make blieve after all, if we are allowed to blow some random persons head into a million bloody pieces, why cant we do it to kiddies too?
I'm going to glare at you now,
and while I do that I'm going to put on a big daddy costume,
and of course continue glareing.
 

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Mornelithe said:
Amethyst Wind said:
It'd be interesting to make a survival horror game with a Virus that only affects adults, so the survivors (i.e. you) would not only be constantly surrounded by feral mutated adults, but have perfectly normal kids mixed in with the crowd.

I think that'd be a great survival horror game as you would be so hesitant to actually fire on your aggressors for fear of hitting an innocent child that you'd be shitting yourself the entire game. In dark levels you wouldn't know whether those footsteps coming towards you would be infected or children, how in the hell would you find the total lack of compassion to fire indiscriminately? That's about the only way I'd find killing children acceptable, since the only true horror these days is when we are forced to go against our own morality.


Also, the taboo around killing children is because they are naturally weaker than adults, so it's a little unfair to make them the bad guys, even if they're somehow turned feral. While turned adults could be considered to be on equal ground to your character, that's never the case with children. Even the poster game for child cruelty, Bioshock, gave them a big burly protector and the option to save them rather than chop them up to get at their tasty bits.
Children of the Corn, man. Us adults have to protect ourselves!


Morne
Ah but they're religious zealots, that's equivalent to being infected ferals anyway.
 

Gyrefalcon

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Time Travelling Toaster said:
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Because children are our future dude o_O
Seriously though I think it's because it's to much of a taboo to kill kids yet =/
yes the future to run your cole mine when you take over with your evil empire, Muahaha
Dammit >.> you know to much, ignore the van tomorrow morning, it's just...maintenece...honestly :).
Wait, a "Cole" mine? Do you have a cloning laboratory somewhere Dr. Venture??
 

1mpulse323

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i feel like this question was asked by one of those kids in class who sits there and doesnt do work and occasionally asks questions just for the attention, even though he knew the answer.
 

Xyphon

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If you think parents are targeting games NOW, then watch what happens the second one has the option of killing a child. The parents are going to take to the streets with torches, pitchforks, tar, and feathers while the media covers the whole bloody thing.

Oh, and people don't do shit about animals who EAT THEIR OWN CHILDREN now do they? The death of a child is in nature damn it!
 

dthvirus

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You see, the reasons are obvious. Massive controversy.

Fortunately, the solution is also obvious. Mods!
 

Noone From Nowhere

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As others as well as myself have mentioned repeatedly, it was possible to kill children in the Deus Ex titles...for the PS2 and X-Box, no less.
Another title which the casual killing of children was featured in was South Park for the Nintendo 64. Of course, it was mostly the child who the show writer-creators had killed repeatedly in the show at the time, Kenny.
The death of children as a negative outcome to be avoided (ideally, anyway)is a factor in The Sims series. None of the Sims could be a child killer but household accidents as well as player caused 'accidents' could ready them for a visit from the Grim Reaper.
It is mostly a matter of Bethesda playing it safe rather than some absolute moral law of video game production. It wouldn't increase their profit significantly to off-set the legal fees were a Moral Guardian group to file a lawsuit or worse, a series of lawsuits, against them.
 

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I often wondered about that myself, for example, if an alien race was trying to wipe out all of humanity, they wouldn't just stop and let the little kiddies go, because you know, that would just be wrong to slaughter the kids after killing every one they know and love.
 

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Grayjack72 said:
It's okay to kill old ladies, but it's not okay to kill kids? I wish I could kill those kids from Little Lamplight.
Technically, old ladies are almost certainly closer to the end of their lives. That said, there are some pyschicotic old ladies in video games! (see GTA: Vice City and the ice cream lady).

Overall, I say meh, and I have to ask, why do people seek to kill children in games, and/or old ladies (or rather, the ones who aren't perfectly capacible of defending themselves with guns).

People's obsession with this on this forum is actually pretty creepy.
 

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mrx19869 said:
OK people here it is. the final thing to say about violent video games.

playing video games does not make you a violent person but apparently not playing HALO makes you kill your parents.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/92443-Halo-Killer-Sentenced-to-Life
Nice to meet you Mr. Troll
 

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It's funny, in Fallout 3 you could have sex with a prostitute then mutilate her and cannibalize her corps, but you couldn't purge The Republic of Dave?

If we can't purge the Republic of Dave please just take our guns away, I don't like being able to shoot adults only to have my immersion ruined by a bullet proof kid.
 

Valentine82

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After selling the sweetest and most innocent little girl from Little Lamp Light into slavery, I didn't see the point in making all the children bullet proof.

I also sold Red (a 16 year old girl) and found out that she was going to be a sex slave. Nice, so sexual slavery isn't taboo but child killing is.

I also killed Nova the prostitute in her sleep, and cannibalized her corps. Nice, prostitution and cannibalism are ok, but killing the kids in the Republic of Dave is a no no.

I also bombed Megaton Hiroshima style, killing at least two children in the process. Nice, killing an entire town with an image right out of the Hiroshima Atrocity is fine but killing a child with a shotgun is taboo.

I don't mind if child killing isn't in a game with guns and lots of innocent killable bystanders, but PLEASE don't put children in the game or PLEASE take away our guns for the parts that they're in it.
 

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Valentine82 said:
After selling the sweetest and most innocent little girl from Little Lamp Light into slavery, I didn't see the point in making all the children bullet proof.

I also sold Red (a 16 year old girl) and found out that she was going to be a sex slave. Nice, so sexual slavery isn't taboo but child killing is.

I also killed Nova the prostitute in her sleep, and cannibalized her corps. Nice, prostitution and cannibalism are ok, but killing the kids in the Republic of Dave is a no no.

I also bombed Megaton Hiroshima style, killing at least two children in the process. Nice, killing an entire town with an image right out of the Hiroshima Atrocity is fine but killing a child with a shotgun is taboo.

I don't mind if child killing isn't in a game with guns and lots of innocent killable bystanders, but PLEASE don't put children in the game or PLEASE take away our guns for the parts that they're in it.

Didn't you know? Hilter, Stalin, Mao, Jeffery Dahmer, they all couldn't hurt a kid. They are too damned lovable. Wait a second... no they aren't. The first people I want to kill in games are kids? Why? Because drop kicking a toddler is frowned upon in real life, and I want to have fun in my games. Also, considering most kids play video games, wouldn't it just be a jazzed up lord of the flies if little Timmy ravages Lamplight? Just sayin....