Why death penalty for sex offenders is a bad idea.

[ilessthanthreetea]

I think the death penalty is wrong anyways. We have no right to play God and to take someone elses life into a select few hands. Yes some people are more 'evil' than others but sadly no human is perfect.

I think a perfect example is the West Memphis 3, alot of old death penalt sentences are very flimsy convictions but yet it still stands.

 

[EMFCRACKSHOT]

If they are going to be in prison for the rest of their life, then throw 'em in a small cell and don't let 'em out.
Permanent isolation is a greater punishment then the 'quick way out'.

Aye, a small dark room in which they can barely stand or lie down. Let out for one hour a day if they are lucky.
Of course, Hanging is cheaper. You keep room open in prisons, you dont have to feed the dead, there is no chance of re-offending. All sound arguments in favour of the death penalty.

 

[beddo]

This topic is aimed at those that rants about torturing sex offenders to death. I bring to you the story of Eric Fimpong, an immigrant to the US from Ghana. Who was tried and found guilty of rape despite the evidence heavily suggesting someone else did it.

Quote from article:

His accuser was a woman with little memory of what happened that night because of a near-toxic blood alcohol level; that Frimpong's DNA wasn't found on the victim; that semen found on her underwear belonged to a jealous boyfriend, a white student who was never a suspect. They would argue that overzealous law enforcement was determined to nail a high-profile athlete, facts be damned, and that this was the Duke lacrosse case all over again -- except that the defendants in the Duke case were white men from affluent families with the means to navigate America's justice system, unlike Frimpong, who is poor and an immigrant.

He doesn't have any history of violence and despite this they just blindly go along with the victims story even though it was hazy.

Whould you still say it justifiable to sentence sex offenders to a cruel death?

Edit: Sorry i forgot the link.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=4300383

Your argument is more against the death penalty rather than it as a punishment against certain crimes.

Of course, the death penalty does not allow for the correction of any miscarraige of justice due to its finality.

 

[TotallyFake]

Well, They don't need to be killed. Just remove the organs which bring about that kind of stimulation.

This is a horrible idea. And I will tell you why.

Our justice systems have an element of redemption in them, right? You serve your time, you're released, free man. In sex offender cases they keep an eye on you with the register, make sure you don't do it again. I'm not entirely sure I agree with this, but given that the impetus for the crimes (sexual desire) is still there it's probably worth it to stop them reoffending and screwing up some other person.

This element of redemption is pretty important, I think most people would agree. It's why we have massive rehabilitation programs.

Now, with physical castration, you completely remove the redemption aspect. Essentially, you imprison them in a full body cage for the rest of their life. At no point has the person decided to stop raping, you've just removed that option. There's been no reform on their part. It's the Clockwork Orange free-will argument again.

Now, if they request castration (as has occurred) or if they undergo chemical castration (which requires continual treatment) they are voluntarily removing the sexual-urge that made them offend. They've made the choice to change, so you get redemption.

I think the only time the death penalty is acceptable is for Saddam/Hitler type crimes against humanity. When we, as a species, can say that the person is unacceptable on our planet, please kindly leave it.

 

[electric_warrior]

Yeah, they are bound to be the odd mistakes but we still shouldn't ruin it for the majority

so, for the sake of killing those who are guilty, you are prepared to put perfectly innocent people to death because of a miscarriage of justice? if the justice system was fool proof it still wouldn't be acceptable because most (or quite a lot of) rapists aren't bad people, just ones who got drunk and carried away (stupid and reckless, yes, but deserving of death, no). possibly such action should be applied for continual offenders who are incontrevertibly guilty, i.e. they admit it. even then, they'd have to be pretty monstrous

 

[Monkfish Acc.]

Who was tried and found guilty of rape despite the evidence heavily suggesting someone else did it.

Well there's your fucking problem.

I advocate the death penatly.
Hell, give me twenty bucks and a wrench, and I will personally see to it that they die.

But that is after the justice system stops sucking so much cock it should be giving out favors for $5 a blow.

Frankly, everyone involved in the case should be fired.
Out of a cannon.
Into a pit filled with pissed off tigers.
And spikes.

And here is everything I was going to say.
Seriously. The only problem with the death penalty is that there is so much fucking corruption and idiocy.

 

[beddo]

Well, They don't need to be killed. Just remove the organs which bring about that kind of stimulation.

That is a most inhumane and cruel punishment and because of it's finality would result in miscarriages of justice having little means of redress.

Furthermore it would be ineffective, the organ behind this kind of abuse is the brain, these people are not motivated by suxual desire but by a much darker sickening desire for power.

 

[Sampler]

Only read the first page so not sure if this has been covered (sorry, lunch breaks almost up, will read the rest later).

What about escalation? It's an argument I've heard before and not too sure if I agree with it but it goes along the lines of if you introduce the death penalty for rapists then they're more likely to kill their victims in an attempt to reduce the chance of being charged for rape.

Now to me that doesn't make much sense - surely a rapist would like to get away with it and if occurs to them killing the victim will help then surely they would regardless of whether the punishment is death or life imprisonment. Unless they were morally incapable of killing them (though raping is apparently fine), in which case they're not going to kill them either.

Death sentences in my view though are a quick way out, life imprisonment should mean it and prisons should be less soft for those who aren't coming back out - obviously rehabilitation is needed for those who will be released but for those serving life a nice dark hole with the minimum sustenance thrown in it will suffice.

Contrary to what some will say about how people will change and therefore deserve letting out, no more a threat to society and their debt paid with 20 years or whatever. If someone has genuinely changed for the better than being kept inside is a greater punishment than if they hadn't and it would set the firm line that will make people scared of incarceration once more as from what I see in England most aren't scared of the law and therefore not of breaking it.

 

[beddo]

A lot of girls will get drunk, have sex with a stranger, regret it and then call rape.

It's sad, but it happens. Rape is very gray area; the entirely innocent victim is a rare one.

Firstly, a lot of cases aren't about women. Where a victim malisciously lies about an incident like this they should receive the punishment for the crime.

Drunkeness and drug induced states are a tricky area. A woman can be too drunk to make a competent decision and that could result in an incident being inferred as rape. It's oddly biased towards women because men who are at the same level of drunkeness would have very little chance of prosecution against a sober woman; such is the sexist nature of almost all legal systems.

There was an interesting case where a lawyer claimed that because she could not remember a drunken sexual encounter that she could not have consented to it:

[link]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7981114.stm[/link]

The judge argued to the jury that this was completely wrong and the man was cleared of the crime within 45 minutes. The case took 13 months and has ruined the young man's life. While the woman has anonymity the 26 years old man has to live with a tarnished name and reputation.

However, this does not mean that most accusations of rape are false. Moral of the story, if you're with a woman who may be drunk then stay clear.

 

[Thanatos5150]

There are way too many women who scream rape after their boyfriend broke up with them, or after a consentual one-night stand they later regretted.
Hell, I've had a woman scream rape at me and we didn't do anything but some heavy-handed flirting. Thankfully, that particular case was never brought to court. However, there are plenty that are, and plenty of times where the inncoent male is actually convicted.

 

[gragimor]

It's a bad idea because then the wonderfully friendly jail inmates won't be able to properly acquaint themselves with them.... In their own, special way of course.

Bubba is NOT amused...

 

[Aedrial]

Yeah, The DP is far too quick for sex offenders.

 

[ILPPendant]

Oh god... it's another one of these threads. Seriously, why bother? Nothing gets resolved. It's always "KILL THE SEX OFFENDERS RAAAARGH!!!!" vs. "What about innocent people?" with the occasional sprinkling of "It's cheaper to imprison them for life." and "DOESN'T MATTER KILL THEM ANYWAY HAHAHAHAHA!!!".

The problem with the death penalty is that there are too many guilty people. We should get rid of them then we won't need it any more. Problem solved.

 

[Hedberger]

Who was tried and found guilty of rape despite the evidence heavily suggesting someone else did it.

Well there's your fucking problem.

I advocate the death penatly.
Hell, give me twenty bucks and a wrench, and I will personally see to it that they die.

But that is after the justice system stops sucking so much cock it should be giving out favors for $5 a blow.

Frankly, everyone involved in the case should be fired.
Out of a cannon.
Into a pit filled with pissed off tigers.
And spikes.

I agree to a certain extent. I realise that there are people, VERY few people, that can never be rehabilitated and that can never contribute to anything useful what so ever, you could give them the choice between execution or being put away were they can do no harm. Of course, it should be mandatory to at least try to change them before you give them the choice. And note that this is only when we can be 100% sure. not just the usual "proven beyond every reasonable doubt" but 100%-impossible-to-be-wrong sure. And if there's any chance of miscarriage of justice not only is the idea banned but all the people involved will commit seppukku (to keep them on their toes).

And while your tiger idea sounds impressive you forgot to include acid. There definately needs to be acid in some form or shape in that pit. Or, if we could see what they see it would be even more interesting with loads of psychadelic drugs and surreal and violent cartoon.

And may i ask what you need the twenty bucks for? Salary?

Whould you still say it justifiable to sentence sex offenders to a cruel death?

Who ever said that in the first place? Death penalty for sex offenders has never been an issue, anywhere. In Norway, the usual sentence is around 1 to 2 years in jail.

However, there should be a death penalty for kicking someone in the balls. Or forced sterilization would at least be an eye for an eye kind of punishment. (kicking someone in the balls means a risk of sterilization. And that's the same as murder. Plus it's the most painful thing known to humans.)

If someone killed my kids I would probably kill them or their kids back.

This thread is aimed at the people that wanted to kill any and all sex-offenders. There was a thread earlier that was called "possible solution for sex-offenders" which basically consisted of people coming up with... imaginative and cruel punishments for sex-offenders. But i guess this thread is about the death penalty now.

There's nothing strange about you wanting revenge for someone murdering your kids. But it is strange if the government claims to be just as angry and bloodthirsty.

 

[MrSnugglesworth]

Yeah, they are bound to be the odd mistakes but we still shouldn't ruin it for the majority

How big an impact would you say that the death penalty would have? How much would it prevent?

Probably not much. I still agree though.

 

[BladeOfAkriloth]

And this is why death penalty should be punished with...... death penalty!\


Seriously now, the hell, crap like this make me want to reinstate The Regime. Poor guy.... see what money can make out of otherwise ( until proven contrary) responsible parents? they should have been trying to persuade they're son to tell the truth and face the consequence, and not blame some poor sap....