Why death penalty for sex offenders is a bad idea.

[annoyinglizardvoice]

I don't think there is a legal system in the world that is honest and reliable to hand out death penalties. I also think the sexual offences are a far too emotive issue to assume that a possible death to be handled with the maturity it would require.

In the issue case mentioned by the OP, it doesn't supprise me that something like this has occurred, and I think he should have claimed corruption earlier rather than having faith in the system. No system is worthy of a human being's faith.

 

[Specter_]

Whould you still say it justifiable to sentence sex offenders to a cruel death?

Narrowing down the term "sex offender" to someone who rapes people. Showing your dick in public doesn't justifies the death-penalty under any circumstances.

It never was and never will be.

For the simple reason that if you up the punishment, the crime get's worse as well.
If you add the death-penalty to crimes like rape, rapists will kill their victim after the act.
The punishment can't get any harder and they have the bonus of no eye-witness/victim...

That's why Die Hard makes absolutely no goddamn sense (I know, it's not supposed to, but bear with me):
Gruber (the bad guy) wants to rob someone. That is punishable by some years in prison.
What he ends up doing is commit multiple accounts of kidnapping, murder, resisting arrest, assault against a police-officer and basically an act of terror. In California punishable by death...

 

[Gaderael]

That was a messed up story. There were so many holes in the investigation and prosecution. Seems the judge, police, and prosecutor just didn't want to have a mistrial on their records, and didn't want to seem soft on sex crimes, or pandering to local celebrity. Seems like it was definitely a miscarriage of justice.

John Grisham wrote a non-fiction book on a case involving a baseball player accused of rape and murder, and sentenced to death, and all the things that were wrong with the case. Was a fascinating read. Here's the Wikipedia summary on it, The Innocent Man: Murder and Injustice in a Small Town [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Innocent_Man:_Murder_and_Injustice_in_a_Small_Town]

 

[Julianking93]

I didn't know ex offenders could get the death penalty.

Shit, I mean, it depends on the crime but I don't really think you should put someone to death for raping a kid.

I know that its a traumatic experience for a child to go through, but to torture the guy to death?! Thats a little extreme.

 

[Hedberger]

I agree to a certain extent. I realise that there are people, VERY few people, that can never be rehabilitated and that can never contribute to anything useful what so ever, you could give them the choice between execution or being put away were they can do no harm. Of course, it should be mandatory to at least try to change them before you give them the choice. And note that this is only when we can be 100% sure. not just the usual "proven beyond every reasonable doubt" but 100%-impossible-to-be-wrong sure. And if there's any chance of miscarriage of justice not only is the idea banned but all the people involved will commit seppukku (to keep them on their toes).

And while your tiger idea sounds impressive you forgot to include acid. There definately needs to be acid in some form or shape in that pit. Or, if we could see what they see it would be even more interesting with loads of psychadelic drugs and a surreal and violent cartoon.

And may i ask what you need the twenty bucks for? Salary?

I'd wager that there are a lot more people who can't be rehabilitated than you think there are.
Not to mention the fact that I'm not so much concerned with justice as I am with revenge.
If someone raped my sister (actually, someone has. Two someones, as a matter of fact,) despite the fact that we're not particularly close, I'd still want them to die.

Frankly, I think you lose human rights when you decide to force yourself on another person because you can't get a fucking date or your boss emasculated you or whatever.

I imagine all they will see will be impending impact, and then orange and black blurs jumping at their face.

Yeah, salary.
I have bills to pay, you know. (Or I will eventually.)

If there aren't that many that can be rehabilitated then so be it. As long as you have tried everything to change them and it's still a fact that they can't change. And personally i'm more concerned about justice and making sure that it doesn't happen again.

If i could say this in a tactful way i would. But i think it's hard to look at these things soberly when you are directly involved as you are. If the relatives are howling for blood i can understand that. But i can't ever understand a judge and jury that claims to be just as upset.

I think the crime should fit the punishment and therefore it's to much to kill someone over something that may be traumatizing but ultimately isn't as bad as murder. It isn't permanent and you can go on living after getting raped. In fact i'd argue that getting harassed/bullied for several years is worse, not by much though. If nothing else because it last longer. Of course it depends from case to case.

 

[Hedberger]

If there aren't that many that can be rehabilitated then so be it. As long as you have tried everything to change them and it's still a fact that they can't change. And personally i'm more concerned about justice and making sure that it doesn't happen again.

If i could say this in a tactful way i would. But i think it's hard to look at these things soberly when you are directly involved as you are. If the relatives are howling for blood i can understand that. But i can't ever understand a judge and jury that claims to be just as upset.

I think the crime should fit the punishment and therefore it's to much to kill someone over something that may be traumatizing but ultimately isn't as bad as murder. It isn't permanent and you can go on living after getting raped. In fact i'd argue that getting harassed/bullied for several years is worse, not by much though. If nothing else because it last longer. Of course it depends from case to case.

You need to understand that I have no strong feelings.
About anything.

Least of all something that doesn't directly concern me.
If I really cared, I'd have just killed the people who did it.

And I too think the crime should fit the punishment, but my moral compass classes murder as "acceptable," and leaves rape at "unacceptable."
At least if someone is dead, they're not suffering.

Well they can't feel anything so i guess that makes sense. Then again, seeing it that way would pretty much make the death penalty more of a reward as you can't ever suffer again when you are dead. If they could feel something though i'm pretty sure they'd feel worse than a rape-victim. Because it probably hurts more both physically and mentally to get murdered. Also you can't do anything ever again.

 

[Thanatos5150]

I know that its a traumatic experience for a child to go through, but to torture the guy to death?! Thats a little extreme.

I was under the impression that the Death Penalty was carried out by giving the convict a nice, filling meal of whatever he desired, strapping him into a chair and foriclby averting his eyes from his arm, and profesionally inserting a streile syringe filled with a solution that peacbly shuts down the body's functions in a matter of minuetes.
The victims of these crimes should be so lucky as to recieve free room and board for years beforehand, a large and custom-made final meal and a quick, painless death.

 

[Julianking93]

I know that its a traumatic experience for a child to go through, but to torture the guy to death?! Thats a little extreme.

I was under the impression that the Death Penalty was carried out by giving the convict a nice, filling meal of whatever he desired, strapping him into a chair and foriclby averting his eyes from his arm, and profesionally inserting a streile syringe filled with a solution that peacbly shuts down the body's functions in a matter of minuetes.
The victims of these crimes should be so lucky as to recieve free room and board for years beforehand, a large and custom-made final meal and a quick, painless death.

In my state, they give the chair. Or the gas chamber.

 

[Thanatos5150]

I know that its a traumatic experience for a child to go through, but to torture the guy to death?! Thats a little extreme.

I was under the impression that the Death Penalty was carried out by giving the convict a nice, filling meal of whatever he desired, strapping him into a chair and foriclby averting his eyes from his arm, and profesionally inserting a streile syringe filled with a solution that peacbly shuts down the body's functions in a matter of minuetes.
The victims of these crimes should be so lucky as to recieve free room and board for years beforehand, a large and custom-made final meal and a quick, painless death.

In my state, they give the chair. Or the gas chamber.

I don't claim to be a legal expert. Every state is different.
I, personally advocate the baliff in the courtroom pulling his sidearm and putting an 89 cent bullet thgouh the offender's braincase.

In actual cases deserving a death penalty. I don't think sex offense cases deserve the death penalty. The actual crime deserving it? No doubt.
However, as previously posted, there are far too many people, especially women, screaming 'rape' after a bad breakup wherein no rape occured.

 

[Julianking93]

I know that its a traumatic experience for a child to go through, but to torture the guy to death?! Thats a little extreme.

I was under the impression that the Death Penalty was carried out by giving the convict a nice, filling meal of whatever he desired, strapping him into a chair and foriclby averting his eyes from his arm, and profesionally inserting a streile syringe filled with a solution that peacbly shuts down the body's functions in a matter of minuetes.
The victims of these crimes should be so lucky as to recieve free room and board for years beforehand, a large and custom-made final meal and a quick, painless death.

In my state, they give the chair. Or the gas chamber.

I don't claim to be a legal expert. Every state is different.
I, personally advocate the baliff in the courtroom pulling his sidearm and putting an 89 cent bullet thgouh the offender's braincase.

In actual cases deserving a death penalty. I don't think sex offense cases deserve the death penalty. The actual crime deserving it? No doubt.
However, as previously posted, there are far too many people, especially women, screaming 'rape' after a bad breakup wherein no rape occured.

Thats what I said before, A sex offense shouldn't constitute in a death penalty. But, then again, I'm a peace-loving, hippie, geek who doesn't believe that the government, or anyone for that matter, has the right to decide that a person should die.

 

[Epifols]

If prisons worked better all our problems would be solved.

Hahaha, nice one

Prisons are human institutions, and in order to improve them we must improve the way we run things on a fundamental level. So if we were capable of improving those institutions, we could also then fix things like healthcare, courts, aid the the poor, schools, etc. Which would bring a decrease in crime anyway.

The problem with capitol punishment is that it's too tedious and still kills innocent people. The solutions would be to just kill them on the spot upon being convicted. Bullets are cheap, no need for elaborate drugs. No need to have them automatically go up for appeals. No several year wait in line wasting money.

The problem with capitol punishment, is not that it is expensive, but that it is inhumane and barbaric. Leave it to an American to think about money before humanity. This is the reason the world hates that nation.

Humans are inhumane. Going by my several existentialist beliefs, that does not justify any sort of action, but you certainly can't sinlge out one nation for it.

And I'm not American...

 

[Thanatos5150]

The problem with capitol punishment, is not that it is expensive, but that it is inhumane and barbaric. Leave it to an American to think about money before humanity. This is the reason the world hates that nation.

The expensive bit of Capitol Punishment is the many many years they prisoners sit waiting to die.
While you're entitlted to your opinion as to the cruelty and barbary of Capitol punishment (And please inform me why you think this way), I will respectfully point out that only Cruel and Unusual punishment is constitutionally forbidden.
And whilst the government taking a life (With Due Process of Law, nonetheless, which is cited as a nessecity in the Constitution) is, undoubtedly a cruel and extreme reaction, it is hardly Unusual or unprecedented.
And even then, the Government still goes out of it's way to provide a humane method of execution. Additionally, everything in the American Court system is designed to make it more difficult to procure a guilty verdict.
The system may not work, but it is cultured and humane.
In my humble opinion.