Why did some people not enjoy MGS4?

[captain awesome 12]

I have never played it but the two things I've heard about it that are negative are; A. it has enough cutscenes to be a short movie, and B. the story makes no sense unless you've played through all the prequels.

Aside I've only really heard anything bad about the game, but you may not realize it's faults because you've convinced yourself that it's the bestest game evar.

Actually, there are enough cutscenes to make a very long movie. So long it could probably be divided into a movie and a sequel to that movie. The cutscenes were great though.

 

[acer840]

I have never played it but the two things I've heard about it that are negative are; A. it has enough cutscenes to be a short movie, and B. the story makes no sense unless you've played through all the prequels.

Aside I've only really heard anything bad about the game, but you may not realize it's faults because you've convinced yourself that it's the bestest game evar.

Just a short movie?
I played the game, tho I never played MGS2, and the story still made sense. I guess you have to pay attention during the movies. That was hard to do at some points.

did I or didn't I say I've never played the game? just take what I say with a pinch of salt because I only have what I've heard not what I've played.

I did take it with a pinch of salt, and added to the joke. I thought it was longer than a short movie in my opinion.

 

[MrBrightside919]

MGS4 is REALLY only for the fans because at this point in the story, newbies wouldn't like it too much.

 

[black lincon]

I have never played it but the two things I've heard about it that are negative are; A. it has enough cutscenes to be a short movie, and B. the story makes no sense unless you've played through all the prequels.

Aside I've only really heard anything bad about the game, but you may not realize it's faults because you've convinced yourself that it's the bestest game evar.

I never implied it was the best game ever. It is a very good game and very enjoyable, people just don't have the patience.

the only types of games where patience is a necessary virtue are RPG's and adventure games. Everything else shouldn't have to rely so heavily on a story, especially not a shooter, if they want to have a story the more power to them but it shouldn't be the main aspect of the game like it is in MGS4.

 

[TheButtonMashEffect]

MGS4 is REALLY only for the fans because at this point in the story, newbies wouldn't like it too much.

Not true actually. I had only played MGS3 before 4, then i went back and played the other two. So i was not so much a fan of the series before i played it.

 

[black lincon]

I have never played it but the two things I've heard about it that are negative are; A. it has enough cutscenes to be a short movie, and B. the story makes no sense unless you've played through all the prequels.

Aside I've only really heard anything bad about the game, but you may not realize it's faults because you've convinced yourself that it's the bestest game evar.

Just a short movie?
I played the game, tho I never played MGS2, and the story still made sense. I guess you have to pay attention during the movies. That was hard to do at some points.

did I or didn't I say I've never played the game? just take what I say with a pinch of salt because I only have what I've heard not what I've played.

I did take it with a pinch of salt, and added to the joke. I thought it was longer than a short movie in my opinion.

referring to the second/serious part of your reply.

 

[TheButtonMashEffect]

I have never played it but the two things I've heard about it that are negative are; A. it has enough cutscenes to be a short movie, and B. the story makes no sense unless you've played through all the prequels.

Aside I've only really heard anything bad about the game, but you may not realize it's faults because you've convinced yourself that it's the bestest game evar.

I never implied it was the best game ever. It is a very good game and very enjoyable, people just don't have the patience.

the only types of games where patience is a necessary virtue are RPG's and adventure games. Everything else shouldn't have to rely so heavily on a story, especially not a shooter, if they want to have a story the more power to them but it shouldn't be the main aspect of the game like it is in MGS4.

Fair enough but metal gear was different, it tried to combine those two. Maybe because i am a filmmaker myself it reached out to me a bit more than others. But if somebody would have told you that they were going to combine a movie with a game you would think that there crazy.
But Metal gear pulled it off just right.

 

[Remnant]

RaRaLoco, if you claim this is just about seeing what other people's opinions are, why do you feel the need to try and debate each and every person's negative opinion?

They don't agree with you. You won't be able to convince them. That's the glory of 6 billion people having different perspectives.

Is Mr Kojima paying you per person you try to convince? If not, save the effort, mate. Not every person will ever like the same game. That's just it. Deal with it.

 

[MrBrightside919]

MGS4 is REALLY only for the fans because at this point in the story, newbies wouldn't like it too much.

Not true actually. I had only played MGS3 before 4, then i went back and played the other two. So i was not so much a fan of the series before i played it.

But you played the other games. I'm talking about newbies to the series who have never played the other 3 games.

 

[Remnant]

I have never played it but the two things I've heard about it that are negative are; A. it has enough cutscenes to be a short movie, and B. the story makes no sense unless you've played through all the prequels.

Aside I've only really heard anything bad about the game, but you may not realize it's faults because you've convinced yourself that it's the bestest game evar.

I never implied it was the best game ever. It is a very good game and very enjoyable, people just don't have the patience.

the only types of games where patience is a necessary virtue are RPG's and adventure games. Everything else shouldn't have to rely so heavily on a story, especially not a shooter, if they want to have a story the more power to them but it shouldn't be the main aspect of the game like it is in MGS4.

Fair enough but metal gear was different, it tried to combine those two. Maybe because i am a filmmaker myself it reached out to me a bit more than others. But if somebody would have told you that they were going to combine a movie with a game you would think that there crazy.
But Metal gear pulled it off just right.

Also: There's your mistake. You assume people were told that they'd be buying a movie/game hybrid. Many of those who bought the game early on were treated to these absurdly long cutscenes.

People bought a game and got a game/movie. That's why a lot of people didn't enjoy it, I suspect.

 

[black lincon]

I have never played it but the two things I've heard about it that are negative are; A. it has enough cutscenes to be a short movie, and B. the story makes no sense unless you've played through all the prequels.

Aside I've only really heard anything bad about the game, but you may not realize it's faults because you've convinced yourself that it's the bestest game evar.

I never implied it was the best game ever. It is a very good game and very enjoyable, people just don't have the patience.

the only types of games where patience is a necessary virtue are RPG's and adventure games. Everything else shouldn't have to rely so heavily on a story, especially not a shooter, if they want to have a story the more power to them but it shouldn't be the main aspect of the game like it is in MGS4.

Fair enough but metal gear was different, it tried to combine those two. Maybe because i am a filmmaker myself it reached out to me a bit more than others. But if somebody would have told you that they were going to combine a movie with a game you would think that there crazy.
But Metal gear pulled it off just right.

if someone told me they were going to combine a movie and a game I would start by telling them that that isn't a unique idea and it is for the most part a god awful branch of games. I'd like to reiterate that shooters are for instant action and instant gratification, if I want to hear a good story I'll go play an RPG.

 

[TheButtonMashEffect]

MGS4 is REALLY only for the fans because at this point in the story, newbies wouldn't like it too much.

Not true actually. I had only played MGS3 before 4, then i went back and played the other two. So i was not so much a fan of the series before i played it.

But you played the other games. I'm talking about newbies to the series who have never played the other 3 games.

Metal gear 3 and 4 are really completely different games though. To be honest i think MGS4 would appeal more to new players of the series than to the fans because it's not really what they are use to.

 

[acer840]

I have never played it but the two things I've heard about it that are negative are; A. it has enough cutscenes to be a short movie, and B. the story makes no sense unless you've played through all the prequels.

Aside I've only really heard anything bad about the game, but you may not realize it's faults because you've convinced yourself that it's the bestest game evar.

Just a short movie?
I played the game, tho I never played MGS2, and the story still made sense. I guess you have to pay attention during the movies. That was hard to do at some points.

did I or didn't I say I've never played the game? just take what I say with a pinch of salt because I only have what I've heard not what I've played.

I did take it with a pinch of salt, and added to the joke. I thought it was longer than a short movie in my opinion.

referring to the second/serious part of your reply.

Ah, that sounds more reasonable. I never made any reason to say why not you played the game. Your placing your reasons on what you heard, not what you experienced. I have played the game, as well as 1 and 3. I still understood the story, so I was only saying that I don't believe that you have to "play through all the prequels" because I skipped MGS2. The game has faults yes, it only really sells to people who are fans and must see where the story ends. I was never a fan of the series, my brother was, and I still enjoyed the game.
I ment no offence to your post.

 

[MrBrightside919]

MGS4 is REALLY only for the fans because at this point in the story, newbies wouldn't like it too much.

Not true actually. I had only played MGS3 before 4, then i went back and played the other two. So i was not so much a fan of the series before i played it.

But you played the other games. I'm talking about newbies to the series who have never played the other 3 games.

Metal gear 3 and 4 are really completely different games though. To be honest i think MGS4 would appeal more to new players of the series than to the fans because it's not really what they are use to.

Objection!

I can see what you are saying but I don't really agree.

 

[Stewie Plisken]

To be honest i think MGS4 would appeal more to new players of the series than to the fans because it's not really what they are use to.

I was led to believe that, to an extend, this did happen and it was mostly because action was given a larger piece of the pie and the controls were changed to something closer to the western games standards. Apparently, Westerners "like to shoot stuff".

I liked it, but I'm a fan, so I'm pretty biased. I do recall bitching endlessly about having to attack with L1 + R1 instead of Square and having X as confirm and O as cancel in the menus, though.

 

[TheButtonMashEffect]

MGS4 is REALLY only for the fans because at this point in the story, newbies wouldn't like it too much.

Not true actually. I had only played MGS3 before 4, then i went back and played the other two. So i was not so much a fan of the series before i played it.

But you played the other games. I'm talking about newbies to the series who have never played the other 3 games.

Metal gear 3 and 4 are really completely different games though. To be honest i think MGS4 would appeal more to new players of the series than to the fans because it's not really what they are use to.

Objection!

I can see what you are saying but I don't really agree.

Fair enough. But compared to the other 3 4 is a different sort of game. Maybe because of the story it is just for fans, but enough people brought the game.

 

[GreenDevilJF]

All I can go on about this game is what I have heard and seen from others, that most of it is just cutscenes and you only really need the pistol to get through the actual game part.

To me that doesn't really sound like much of a game.

 

[TheButtonMashEffect]

All I can go on about this game is what I have heard and seen from others, that most of it is just cutscenes and you only really need the pistol to get through the actual game part.

To me that doesn't really sound like much of a game.

Well there you go. Here is a prime example why MGS4 is getting alot of negativity. People who actually havent played the game jump on to the first bad thing they hear. The cutscenes yes are long, but are in no way bad and the game is a good game! People should play the game then decide.

 

[Groovewood]

Eh, I'm a big fan of the MGS series so I enjoyed it, though I have yet to replay the game since beating it. It is a very flawed game though. MGS 4's story isn't that good, and certainly told in a piss poor manner. Hours of cutscenes a good story telling experience does not make, especially when most cut scenes are glorified slides from a power point presentation. Kojima made MGS 4 waaaay to self indulgent, and if I hadn't been with the series since MGS 1, I'm sure I would've hated it, since I do hate a lot of it.

 

[Remnant]

MGS4 is REALLY only for the fans because at this point in the story, newbies wouldn't like it too much.

Not true actually. I had only played MGS3 before 4, then i went back and played the other two. So i was not so much a fan of the series before i played it.

But you played the other games. I'm talking about newbies to the series who have never played the other 3 games.

Metal gear 3 and 4 are really completely different games though. To be honest i think MGS4 would appeal more to new players of the series than to the fans because it's not really what they are use to.

Objection!

I can see what you are saying but I don't really agree.

Fair enough. But compared to the other 3 4 is a different sort of game. Maybe because of the story it is just for fans, but enough people brought the game.

- It was heavily hyped as -the- reason to buy a PS3.
- It was cheaper to buy the PS3 with MGS4 than without.
- Oh, and the whole "enough people bought the game" doesn't mean the story was good, or even decent. It just means that people bought the game. How many people know a game's story before they even buy/play it? Nobody. Dur.