I never liked them.
But I was never into that whiny rap/rock crap, like Korn, Papa Roach and Limp Bizkit.
But I was never into that whiny rap/rock crap, like Korn, Papa Roach and Limp Bizkit.
Why Do A Lot Of People Not Like Linkin Park's New Stuff/Do You Like Their New Music
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it isnt that their new stuuf is crap, its just that their old stuff was amazing, and the new stuff keeps being put up against it. its like portal, the second one was considered terrible, but that was only because it was being judged according to its past self, when it was actually a great game.
I liked a good amount of their really old work which I think came out when I was around 9 or 10 (songs like "In the end") by jove... I'm 20 now... These guys still going? Wow. I like point of authority, numb and a good few others than I listened to when I was in highschool. Then I got disinterested in them around the time they were releasing the music for Transformers... Honestly thought they'd finished, retired or something.
To be honest I never really did enjoy linkin park... I mean, I had a linkin park phase that lasted a couple of weeks back when they released their first album. Then there was the whole limp bizkit thing and "New Rock" (or whatever it's called) died for me.
I think LP borderlines emo music... It's overproduced and a bit whinny... You're on more then free to enjoy them and I don't think it's anyone's business but I don't think they have a whole lot of quality...
The thing is I don't fully understand the context in which this kind of music appeared... Every music style should have a social context but these bands seem to survive just because they sound "cool". I admit they have some catchy songs and I tolerate them in some places but "in the end" (see what I did there?
) it just looks a bit shallow and hollow to me. Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds a bit like middle class white boys complaining about nothing really special.
U2 might be overproduced and a bit whinny (at times) but at least they've got "their" thing... "Save the world, fight poverty, etc."... REM had the whole "our social and political context is very depressing and the outlook for our lower middle class youth is grim"... The same goes to Nirvana, I guess... I could go all the way back to older bands giving away these examples.
But there are tons of bands that don't have to fight for anything and still stick to cool themes for their songs (the replacements - left of the dial or jethro tull - aqualung, etc.). Even more if you have a kickass guitarist like Jack White... He could shut the fuck up for all I care and I'd still blow my heading of listening to him shred his fucking guitar (Hello Operator kicks so much ass)!
Then there are bands that are all about making a sound that resonates with a feeling, but I feel they are more faithful to that concept and try to achieve this by themselves instead of relying on producers for every little input. I mean... Metallica is pretty over produced but James did hit his fist on the table more then a couple of times. They wanted to make metal but they wanted to make money too so they found a nice sweetspot. Linkin Park seem to be all about selling records.
I dunno... It's just an opinion that probably is tainted with bias but you asked the question.
I suppose that on the other edge of the spectrum you have bands like radiohead that pretty much gave their albums away (In rainbows was a free download if I'm not mistaken). Daniel Luppe and Danger Mouse's Rome album is also a free download if I'm not mistaken.
I think the problem for a lot of people is when a band focuses too much on making a profit, relying solely on producers and record labels and stop making a sound that resonates with any feeling and lyrics that seem they were written by tokio hotel (I'm sorry to all TH fans but this is just trash) or something crappy like that.
I think you can have whinny and lame songs as long as they relate to something (like coldplay) or overproduced music as long as it's what the artist truly wants to do (u2, metallica). What's sad is having soulless music which in my humble opinion is what linkin park are doing.
Sorry for the Wall O Text but I hope I made my point come across... ^_^
Ps.: I just love guitar and I could give you a huge list of guitarists I love (both Portuguese and Internacional) and I think we can all agree there would be no place for Linkin Park's guitarist (or any other musician for that matter) on such a list...
I think LP borderlines emo music... It's overproduced and a bit whinny... You're on more then free to enjoy them and I don't think it's anyone's business but I don't think they have a whole lot of quality...
The thing is I don't fully understand the context in which this kind of music appeared... Every music style should have a social context but these bands seem to survive just because they sound "cool". I admit they have some catchy songs and I tolerate them in some places but "in the end" (see what I did there?
) it just looks a bit shallow and hollow to me. Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds a bit like middle class white boys complaining about nothing really special.U2 might be overproduced and a bit whinny (at times) but at least they've got "their" thing... "Save the world, fight poverty, etc."... REM had the whole "our social and political context is very depressing and the outlook for our lower middle class youth is grim"... The same goes to Nirvana, I guess... I could go all the way back to older bands giving away these examples.
But there are tons of bands that don't have to fight for anything and still stick to cool themes for their songs (the replacements - left of the dial or jethro tull - aqualung, etc.). Even more if you have a kickass guitarist like Jack White... He could shut the fuck up for all I care and I'd still blow my heading of listening to him shred his fucking guitar (Hello Operator kicks so much ass)!
Then there are bands that are all about making a sound that resonates with a feeling, but I feel they are more faithful to that concept and try to achieve this by themselves instead of relying on producers for every little input. I mean... Metallica is pretty over produced but James did hit his fist on the table more then a couple of times. They wanted to make metal but they wanted to make money too so they found a nice sweetspot. Linkin Park seem to be all about selling records.
I dunno... It's just an opinion that probably is tainted with bias but you asked the question.
I suppose that on the other edge of the spectrum you have bands like radiohead that pretty much gave their albums away (In rainbows was a free download if I'm not mistaken). Daniel Luppe and Danger Mouse's Rome album is also a free download if I'm not mistaken.
I think the problem for a lot of people is when a band focuses too much on making a profit, relying solely on producers and record labels and stop making a sound that resonates with any feeling and lyrics that seem they were written by tokio hotel (I'm sorry to all TH fans but this is just trash) or something crappy like that.
I think you can have whinny and lame songs as long as they relate to something (like coldplay) or overproduced music as long as it's what the artist truly wants to do (u2, metallica). What's sad is having soulless music which in my humble opinion is what linkin park are doing.
Sorry for the Wall O Text but I hope I made my point come across... ^_^
Ps.: I just love guitar and I could give you a huge list of guitarists I love (both Portuguese and Internacional) and I think we can all agree there would be no place for Linkin Park's guitarist (or any other musician for that matter) on such a list...
I don't mind it, I think they went to much towards techno, I liked it when they were more alternative punk/metal
Fans get used to how their bands sound and when bands evolve, people lose or gain fans depending on the change. It's just how things work I'm afraid, not just with Linkin Park, but any band.
Well, whilst linkin park were never hard rock in the first place, but they seem to have been on a steady slide towards *pukesinmouth* dance music for a long time. Evolving is one thing, but a complete genre change? If you're gonna do that, it has to be real good not to piss people off, and their latest stuff well, isn't. Fact is, you ask most people who were linkin park fans before minutes to midnight, they'll probably say the same thing because it just isn't the same kind of music anymore and I doubt it even passes for decent music amongst dance fans.
I marked the decline of Linkin Park when they moved from using PRS guitars to Fender... they had sick, custom graphics on the PRS's (and they're just goddamn BETTER) and they sold out to who was offering them big money. Corporate whoring is all they do now; their new, radio-friendly shite music is just one example among many.
I can honestly say that I stopped paying attention to Linkin Park after Meteora.
Much in the same way I stopped paying attention to Green Day after American Idiot.
You dont like the Bush administration, I get it, I get it, now shut up and play weird music again!!
Much in the same way I stopped paying attention to Green Day after American Idiot.
You dont like the Bush administration, I get it, I get it, now shut up and play weird music again!!
For me its not about any whiny-ness. I just think the new stuff sounds like garbage. It's not the same hard hitting stuff I enjoyed so much in the first 2 albums. Minutes to Midnight was where they really lost touch for me. Some stuff was harder than they've ever done, other stuff was too soft or too rappy. It didn't sound like them to me anymore. It's kind of like what Disturbed did. They started out nice and hard and in your face, then they seemed to tone it down and get more religious almost. They realized they messed up and started going back to their roots. Though honestly I still don't much care for them anymore like I once did. I listened to clips from LP's newest album and it may as well have made my ears bleed. It just didn't sound or feel right to me anymore. I just think its awful. It's great they tried something different, but if you ask me (which you sort of did,) I think they failed in the experimentation.Phoenix_XIII said:
Pendulum is awesome. It's also sad when another band does better at a song than the original band that did it.TU4AR said:
i don't like their new stuff because, as you already pointed out, it's whiny, boring and thus crappy.
to be fair, i don't like their "old" stuff neither. it's boring, generic, and crappy ^^
the same goes for meshuggah ^^ (and many other bands, of course)
then again we're talking about very very subjective stuff here, so a discussion is rather... pointless. has no "edge". like linkin park's music ^^
to be fair, i don't like their "old" stuff neither. it's boring, generic, and crappy ^^
the same goes for meshuggah ^^ (and many other bands, of course)
then again we're talking about very very subjective stuff here, so a discussion is rather... pointless. has no "edge". like linkin park's music ^^