Why do console gamers settle for so little?

[Nazulu]

I asked you before to respond polietely but you don't seem to care about that and continue to make accusations about me being ignorant, not caring about the community and simply being uneducated. Looking back on my previous posts, I still fail to see where you are getting this info about me, but lets see if I can clarify this;

"You said "people are always talking lag and dedicated servers and blah, blah, blah" did you not?" Yes I did say that

"That means you don't know why people are complaining and don't have a flipping clue why people miss dedicated servers" If you look back, you will see the reason for me saying that was because I see no difference between the servers. Therefore, I am getting tired of people complaining and would like us to move onto other issues, like solving the issues of lag people might be having or removing glitches, etc.

"So forget any issue and have fun, because completely missing the point why people are annoyed means you don't give a flying fuck." I never said anything about ignoring issues. I did say that I was enjoying what I have and I have no idea why that would be a problem.

"Yes, I believe you should educate yourself on the matter instead of just leaving a post that you have no idea what is going on." Yes, education is important but claiming I have no idea what is going on when all I did was state that I was enjoying my current experiences, does not make sense to me

Yeah your right, I did come on too strong so sorry, I will just clear my part up this time and I will leave it at that.

A lot of people prefer dedicated servers for a good reason, a million people don't complain for the fun of it. So instead of saying it's nothing, you should see how it works and how it effects other people. Basically you just ignored part of the issue, like saying "it doesn't effect me so it's all good". No, that's not how the world works I'm afraid. Also you said "you would like to move onto other issues like lag", well that's part of the problem with not having dedicated servers as well, they can't choose one that's closer or a server with other hosts with good ping. If you prefer what you have now, that's fine but I reckon they could at least have both options, many games have had both so it's not like it's difficult for them.

We should be trying to improve the experience for everybody, not worry about how much money IW has in their pocket (They have a lot) or saying "it's decent enough so lets just leave it there". I honestly hate that way of thinking, I really do, it pisses me off sometimes when I see too many people do it. So yeah, I cracked.

 

[Quad08]

I asked you before to respond polietely but you don't seem to care about that and continue to make accusations about me being ignorant, not caring about the community and simply being uneducated. Looking back on my previous posts, I still fail to see where you are getting this info about me, but lets see if I can clarify this;

"You said "people are always talking lag and dedicated servers and blah, blah, blah" did you not?" Yes I did say that

"That means you don't know why people are complaining and don't have a flipping clue why people miss dedicated servers" If you look back, you will see the reason for me saying that was because I see no difference between the servers. Therefore, I am getting tired of people complaining and would like us to move onto other issues, like solving the issues of lag people might be having or removing glitches, etc.

"So forget any issue and have fun, because completely missing the point why people are annoyed means you don't give a flying fuck." I never said anything about ignoring issues. I did say that I was enjoying what I have and I have no idea why that would be a problem.

"Yes, I believe you should educate yourself on the matter instead of just leaving a post that you have no idea what is going on." Yes, education is important but claiming I have no idea what is going on when all I did was state that I was enjoying my current experiences, does not make sense to me

Yeah your right, I did come on too strong so sorry, I will just clear my part up this time and I will leave it at that.

A lot of people prefer dedicated servers for a good reason, a million people don't complain for the fun of it. So instead of saying it's nothing, you should see how it works and how it effects other people. Basically you just ignored part of the issue, like saying "it doesn't effect me so it's all good". No, that's not how the world works I'm afraid. Also you said "you would like to move onto other issues like lag", well that's part of the problem with not having dedicated servers as well, they can't choose one that's closer or a server with other hosts with good ping. If you prefer what you have now, that's fine but I reckon they could at least have both options, many games have had both so it's not like it's difficult for them.

We should be trying to improve the experience for everybody, not worry about how much money IW has in their pocket (They have a lot) or saying "it's decent enough so lets just leave it there". I honestly hate that way of thinking, I really do, it pisses me off sometimes when I see too many people do it. So yeah, I cracked.

Don't worry about it. When we feel passionately about something we tend to get angry when other people seem ignorant to it and it may have been a bit much for me to add the "blah, blah, blah" onto it.
Thanks for the explanation on the different serves, I really had no idea they were that different. I honestly never noticed a difference between the two.

 

[TPiddy]

The amount of money console gamers spends on games in 3 years, outweighs the average PC gamers money spent. The average PC gamer doesn't buy a lot of games. We have piracy for that, and we generally stick with a main game with many games that come along as distractions. I play TF2, Quakelive, Quakeworld, and a bit of Counter Strike. That is probably over 80 percent of my online gaming of the past year, and in total i spent 30 bucks on the games and have thousands of hours of play in total. In PC games over the past 3 years, i have spent less that 200 dollars. Yes, i see why PC gaming is dieing, cause why upgrade what already makes us happy. Before i had a good income, i spent only a total of 500 bucks on computer parts. I could reuse half the things, i didnt have to buy a hard drive, case, cd/dvd drive, PSU or an OS. I had to buy a mobo, cpu, ram, and Graphics card, and that is it.

PC gaming is very cost effective, back in the PS2 days, had to have a new game every 1-2 months to keep me entertained. The amount of money you throw in the games for Consoles is amazingly high, and most games are not that good without that much longevity.

PC games do actually require you to be able to be competent and have general knowledge of computers to get working though. And explaining to someone how to flash a bios or go into the registry to fix their game is fucking annoying.

So your argument is that PC gaming is cheaper because you STEAL shit? I'm not sure that counts. PC Games are generally cheaper than console games anyhow.

My PC cost me $1000 back in 2006. I am looking at another upgrade next year, and guess what, it will cost me another $1000. My XBox cost me $400 back in 2006, and I just upgraded to an Elite for another $400.

PC gaming CAN be cheaper, but the amount of effort that goes into making it cheaper (searching for the best deals, putting it together yourself, installing games and changing registry and graphics settings, getting cables and/or switches and extensions to connect to your TV, etc) is just not worth it for me.

 

[The Austin]

Superior controls and such.

Can you PC gamers sit on the couch and play assassins creed? No.

Superior controls? What? Sorry, but mouse/keyboard is better than controller for everything except perhaps sports and racing games (which I don't even play). More precise, more buttons to bind to different things, just generally better.

And yes, yes I could if I wished. Hook my PC up to my TV and bring over my mouse and keyboard, and bam, I'm playing Assassin's Creed on my couch.

Mose/Keyboard is way to complicated for me, I just like the joyful simplicity of Xbox.

 

[xscoot]

IW really screwed up MW2. the matchmaking system is awful, my first game put me against a clan of guys who had hacked the game to give them all the weapons.

Yeah the matchmaking is awful. Not even compared to dedicated servers; compare CoD matchmaking to the matchmaking of other games, and you'll see that in other games, it actually works.

So your argument is that PC gaming is cheaper because you STEAL shit? I'm not sure that counts. PC Games are generally cheaper than console games anyhow.

My PC cost me $1000 back in 2006. I am looking at another upgrade next year, and guess what, it will cost me another $1000. My XBox cost me $400 back in 2006, and I just upgraded to an Elite for another $400.

PC gaming CAN be cheaper, but the amount of effort that goes into making it cheaper (searching for the best deals, putting it together yourself, installing games and changing registry and graphics settings, getting cables and/or switches and extensions to connect to your TV, etc) is just not worth it for me.

I will know try to fix your thinking.

First, you are correct on piracy; although that is on the xbox as well. But, what he was saying, is that he only played a few games. On the PC, 4-5 games are enough to keep you entertained for years. I buy a lot more than that, so I'd pay for more. It's only cheaper because he buys less.

You paid 1000 for a PC? That's... not right. Even with a monitor, you could get one that plays Crysis for 600, and this was back in 2006. The fact that you are paying another 1000 now means you are either paying for unnecessary garbage, or just really bad at finding deals.

Which seems to be true. You say that searching for deals, putting it together, etc. is too hard. Searching for deals just requires you to use google for ten minutes, putting together a computer is like using LEGO with instructions, installing games is easy, etc. etc. The fact that you think it is too hard is because you never really tried. You either are a casual player (and so, would not be expected to invest any time into this), or you are just really arrogant and biased towards PC gamers.

By the way, my computer can barely Deus Ex, and I'm using a Windows 98 monitor. I mainly play on consoles, and even I know what's right and wrong with your reasoning.

 

[TPiddy]

I will know try to fix your thinking.

First, you are correct on piracy; although that is on the xbox as well. But, what he was saying, is that he only played a few games. On the PC, 4-5 games are enough to keep you entertained for years. I buy a lot more than that, so I'd pay for more. It's only cheaper because he buys less.

You paid 1000 for a PC? That's... not right. Even with a monitor, you could get one that plays Crysis for 600, and this was back in 2006. The fact that you are paying another 1000 now means you are either paying for unnecessary garbage, or just really bad at finding deals.

Which seems to be true. You say that searching for deals, putting it together, etc. is too hard. Searching for deals just requires you to use google for ten minutes, putting together a computer is like using LEGO with instructions, installing games is easy, etc. etc. The fact that you think it is too hard is because you never really tried. You either are a casual player (and so, would not be expected to invest any time into this), or you are just really arrogant and biased towards PC gamers.

By the way, my computer can barely Deus Ex, and I'm using a Windows 98 monitor. I mainly play on consoles, and even I know what's right and wrong with your reasoning.

There is nothing wrong with my thinking, although I think there is something wrong with yours.

1. Piracy exists everywhere but you can't say "PC gaming is cheaper because it's easier to steal shit for it". That cannot be brought into an argument about price.

2. My computer is also used for work. Therefore I need extra components like dual monitors, a RAID backup system and a massive amount of RAM. I would never buy a separate PC just for gaming, that's retarded and it's like saying that you would buy an extra TV just for console gaming.

3. The system I bought in 2006 was top of the line in 2006, because, once again, it's the only system I have, and therefore can not just go out and buy cheap parts in order for it to qualify as a gaming rig. I also live in Canada, and pay 13% sales tax on everything. So no, I am not bad at finding deals nor am I buying unnecessary garbage. I am building my PC to meet ALL of my requirements, not just gaming, and that is what makes it more expensive to game on.

If all you do with your PC is play games on it and search for porn on youtube then yeah, I'm sure you could get away with a cheap gaming rig for about $400-$500. However... The 360 came out in 2005 and the ones that did come out then can STILL play EVERY game released for it. While a PC bought in 2005 could not POSSIBLY play EVERY game released for PC. This is where upgrades come in, increasing the cost of the system to more than that of a console unit.

PC Gamers who believe that it's cheaper than consoles are not looking at the big picture or using excuses like "Well, you already have a keyboard / mouse" or "You can download free games" to try and pretend like the cost is lower, but in the long run.... Console gaming is just cheaper, period.

 

[ars_morendi]

Lol I'm pretty sure there's a middle ground here where clueless console gamers are over exaggerating the price of PC upgrades yet PC gamers are giving specific examples of incredible deals they've found when putting together a high end PC. The fact remains that games that look great and run beautifully on the consoles still have staggeringly high pc requirements and all kinds of stability issues and hardware conflicts. This never happens with consoles. Also whoever said you get more longevity from PC gaming was pretty much making shit up. It's called being a saavy gamer and as a console gamer who likes bang for his buck I get just as much from my purchaes as I would as a PC gamer. It's still awesome to be a PC gamer as the staggering ammount of customization is more of a blessing than a curse but I still have to laugh whenever someone has the attitiude of "oh you poor console gamers don't know any better". It's hilarious. As for control and interface issues, well I don't need to tell anybody how impossible it is to play platformers or really any game requiring analog movement on a keyboard and mouse, much less any type of hack and slash or fighting game. Sure you can get a controller for those types of games but really that just proves my point and honestly how many of those games requiring a controller even see the light of day on PC? not to mention I can take one look on xbox live arcade and the PSN store and see hundreds of unique and exciting titles that will never, ever be on the PC.

For me it's always been about the games and Console gamers, for the most part(excluding MMO's and RTS) have much, much more to choose from. Don't ever let someone tell you PC gaming isn't worth it because for what it is it's great if you have the time and the patience. But don't ever try to tell a console gamer that he's missing out cause that just makes you look stupid.

 

[iTeamKill]

It's really that simple.Console and pc gamers should try to see things from a different perspective.

but their perspective is they get less and pay more. why should a pc gamer shut up when a console fan boy brags about how amazing their set up is?

 

[irishstormtrooper]

The reason no one demands more is because they don't care. Like the wise man said, don't fix what isn't broke. The system works, even with its flaws, but complaining will only cause more trouble, extra money being spent, and a new system that is suspiciously like the last one. In the end, it doesn't matter. Sure, the matches may be smaller, but I'm fine with that. More players does not equal more fun. Also, lag may be an issue, but it is pretty rare if you have a halfway decent internet connection. I may be just a "console tard", but I don't care. It works, and that's all that should matter.

 

[Jakkal]

Because unlike PC gamers, we're not greedy twats who want everything our way, all the time?


/stereotypical (but not completely untrue) response

1: Lag is not that bad on P2P, no matter how much antecdotal evidence is presented. As a matter of fact, lag is generally the same across both systems - its just that servers can handle it slightly better. Consoles however, use P2P more often for several reasons:

-It helps control modding, cheating and pirating
-It is easier to use on consoles
-It costs WAAAAAAAAAAAY less than servers do. Even the richest companies would be utterly crushed under the burden of trying to provide servers for games for consoles, which almost always have an expotenially higher user base than PC games do, which means an expotenially higher cost.


2: The maximum is not 9v9. There any many games that go far above this limit, like Frontlines and Section 8, not to mention the Battlefield games. However, 8v8/9v9 is generally the accepted good preformance limit of both the P2P, and what most developers design their game for. Games like CoD44, MW2, Halo 3, Gears etc. are simply not designed for that many players, both gameplay-wise and map-wise.

Also, 32v32 isn't standard on PC, save for Battlefield games. Many games you have to mod or tinker with get above 12v12 or 16v16.

3: Our services are not poor. For our $50 a year, XBL users get consistant and accurate stats-tracking across all games, large community events, reliable (fairly) customer service, maintance and anti-cheating protection, and pretty decent game content as well (much of it at a reduced price as compared to if it were a normal digital download or in-store purchase), and unlimited online gameplay for any game, with few exceptions (Phantasy Star Universe). All this for less than the price of one new game per year? Not even WoW can claim that. Pc gamers can't, because most of it is self-regulated - you might get it, but it relies on players to make it happen.



4: All I see are some butt-hurt PC gamers due to the fact that IW tried to level the playing field for all their customers. I didn't say it worked, but I can't blame them for trying either. Because when you strip away all the fluff and chest-thumping and yelling, PC doesn't really stand out well...in anything. and treating them like they're special is a poor business choice, especially since you stopped being profitable a long time ago.

The fact that you used "we" means youre either a corporate puppet or a MAJOR XBL fanboy

 

[Jazzyluv2]

The amount of money console gamers spends on games in 3 years, outweighs the average PC gamers money spent. The average PC gamer doesn't buy a lot of games. We have piracy for that, and we generally stick with a main game with many games that come along as distractions. I play TF2, Quakelive, Quakeworld, and a bit of Counter Strike. That is probably over 80 percent of my online gaming of the past year, and in total i spent 30 bucks on the games and have thousands of hours of play in total. In PC games over the past 3 years, i have spent less that 200 dollars. Yes, i see why PC gaming is dieing, cause why upgrade what already makes us happy. Before i had a good income, i spent only a total of 500 bucks on computer parts. I could reuse half the things, i didnt have to buy a hard drive, case, cd/dvd drive, PSU or an OS. I had to buy a mobo, cpu, ram, and Graphics card, and that is it.

PC gaming is very cost effective, back in the PS2 days, had to have a new game every 1-2 months to keep me entertained. The amount of money you throw in the games for Consoles is amazingly high, and most games are not that good without that much longevity.

PC games do actually require you to be able to be competent and have general knowledge of computers to get working though. And explaining to someone how to flash a bios or go into the registry to fix their game is fucking annoying.

So your argument is that PC gaming is cheaper because you STEAL shit? I'm not sure that counts. PC Games are generally cheaper than console games anyhow.

My PC cost me $1000 back in 2006. I am looking at another upgrade next year, and guess what, it will cost me another $1000. My XBox cost me $400 back in 2006, and I just upgraded to an Elite for another $400.

PC gaming CAN be cheaper, but the amount of effort that goes into making it cheaper (searching for the best deals, putting it together yourself, installing games and changing registry and graphics settings, getting cables and/or switches and extensions to connect to your TV, etc) is just not worth it for me.

Then learn to not buy pre-manufactured crap. Its not that hard to get a computer working. It took me 30 minutes of my dear time when my mobo died this summer to go to newegg look up some good deals that were under 200 bucks. And another 30 minutes to make get it working.... ok windows took a little longer to get on there but that wasn't that big of a deal.

The ease of piracy is a valid argument, and that is why most games that are profitable on PC are multiplayer, and that is over 95 percent of what i play.

If you are so incapable of figuring out how to reuse shit like PSU, hard drive, and Case then you are a fool, or make enough money for it to not matter. You can figure out how to make a computer with a 10 minute youtube video and save yourself a couple hundred...

 

[Tucker154]

For the 360 vesion of the orange box TF2,it seems like all servers are "modded servers" and there is no way to tell the difference between the two types.

 

[TPiddy]

Then learn to not buy pre-manufactured crap. Its not that hard to get a computer working. It took me 30 minutes of my dear time when my mobo died this summer to go to newegg look up some good deals that were under 200 bucks. And another 30 minutes to make get it working.... ok windows took a little longer to get on there but that wasn't that big of a deal.

The ease of piracy is a valid argument, and that is why most games that are profitable on PC are multiplayer, and that is over 95 percent of what i play.

If you are so incapable of figuring out how to reuse shit like PSU, hard drive, and Case then you are a fool, or make enough money for it to not matter. You can figure out how to make a computer with a 10 minute youtube video and save yourself a couple hundred...

I don't buy pre-manufactured crap. I have a friend of mine that I put all my purchases through, as I give him a list of my requirements and I let him go. That $1000 got me 4GB of DDR 2 RAM, 2 500 GB HDD's set up in a RAID 1 mirror, a 512 MB vid card with dual DVI out... I forget the processor / mobo setup but I know it was an Intel chip running on a Socket 7 board at 2.4 ghz, with a 500w power supply, DVD-RW and Win XP Pro. This included all installation and setup. It's also a business write-off for me.

So I suppose I fall into the category of 'making enough money for it to not matter'. Which then leads me to believe that PC gaming may be cheaper but in order for it to be cheaper you need to expend extra effort / resources and as such I deem it to not be worth my time when the simpler console meets my gaming needs.

 

[TPiddy]

The ease of piracy is a valid argument, and that is why most games that are profitable on PC are multiplayer, and that is over 95 percent of what i play.

If you are so incapable of figuring out how to reuse shit like PSU, hard drive, and Case then you are a fool, or make enough money for it to not matter. You can figure out how to make a computer with a 10 minute youtube video and save yourself a couple hundred...

You still can't present piracy as evidence that PC gaming is cheaper. That's like saying Fords are cheaper than Hondas because they're easier to steal. As for the re-use issue, I typically sell my old systems to family members, and as such cannot just strip the PSU, HDD or the case out of them.

 

[PandoraMagic]

I'm a PC gamer and a Console gamer... I feel PC's are just as good as Consoles. Granted with better video cards and such the graphics and game play go smoother and much more vivid... But honestly I would rather play console for racing, fighting, and first person shooter games. Like when half life first came out on PC I totally loved it, it was awesome to play on the PC again, but then when xbox came out... I'm sorry it took the cake for me with playing first person shooters. It was much easier to control where I was shooting.

PC's will for me however own for MMORPG's. Even though WoW has gotten tiring for me, I started playing another game called Aion and it's fun, also going semi old school here, Ragnarok Online was the shit when it first came out lol. (but it is so much nicer playing on free servers then paying for it )

 

[LoopyDood]

For the 360 vesion of the orange box TF2,it seems like all servers are "modded servers" and there is no way to tell the difference between the two types.

There are no servers... It's host based, just like MW2. What mods are we talking about?

 

[WhiteFangofWhoa]

I've played both consoles and PC heavily, but I generally lean towards consoles for three main reasons: Price, Maintenance, and Control.

Price has already been heavily discussed here- you cannot adjust PC component price estimates just because they can pirate stuff easier.

Maintenance refers to the constant online updates (aka Patches) of virtually all forms of software involved in PC gaming, including the games themselves, that you must not use for 30-60 minutes and then restart your comp in order to download. Sometimes these actually make things worse, or alter a feature you liked. Additionally, the planning and construction of a custom rig, and ironing out the inevitable glitches in such a system even if you're experienced at it, is all time you could have spent playing. Some of my favorite older PC games can no longer be played on any modern system no matter what I do to it. Console games are also generally less lag-prone. PC games can lag and CRASH even while offline.

Control is self-explanatory. The mouse is great for FPSes and strategy games. Nothing else. It doesn't help that the keys are far smaller and closer together than console buttons.