Why do console gamers settle for so little?

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Silva

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The answer to this thread's title is simple: console gamers "settle for so little" because many of them have never had the great addition of a dedicated server.

Now, I'm afraid that not providing a dedicated server is an obvious corporate currency corner-cut. Even console services like Xbox Live and PSN could provide access to dedicated servers. There is no reason for there to not be such a feature in console games these days - consoles can get online like PCs, so they should have all of the features PC gaming has to offer, if possible (and it is).

While it's true that PC gamers should not "expect" a dedicated server (unless, in my view, if the series has provided these before - who would want a devolved sequel), this is a feature that should be applied by those who have the resources to do so (all of the big-name FPS producers who just got a record profit increase for their releases, like, oh, shall we say, Infinity Ward).

My advice to Infinity Ward is: update the game, give it a proper upgrade with a dedicated server added. There is no excuse to keep out a useful feature if there is a possibility of extra profits, and if there are available funds. And you know that thing in your briefcase, that you keep showing off to your family and friends before buying them diamonds? Those are "available funds". Use them as such.

Good Game and other reviewers have smashed Infinity Ward for this decision because there have been numerous problems revolving around lag in the slower broadband regions, like Australia. This is because people no longer have complete control over the server they join, and cannot discriminate on the basis of latency (which is a very legitimate basis).

This is the same bad decision that, sadly, was also made with Super Smash Bros Brawl's multiplayer on the Wii. Australians could not play the game without massive lag, because there was no consideration given to the fact that local hosting is necessary in such places to avoid lag (until the Internet itself receives a fundamental upgrade). It may not have effected sales too much, since at heart the Smash series has always been about multiplayer in the room, but that cannot be said for the many online-only titles that have come into being lately.

Consider the facts. Consider the funds. Give people what they want, and they will pay double the money. In an environment like that a dedicated server can provide, quality, after all, begets quantity. And quantity produces sales.
 

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It is bull they are charging a gaming PC for $1800.00? Considering they are a small computer store they have to turn a profit somehow besides fixing computers.

And no, I won't shut up. Saying please and then shut up will most likely get a bad reaction from someone. I on the other hand am more polite than to tell people to shut up. If you don't want to argue than just don't respond back. Don't tell people to shut up. It just makes you seem immature.
It is (likely) true that there exists a computer near you that costs $1,800 that can play crysis at maximum settings at a reasonable framerate. It is also equally true that $1,800 is not the required price point to meet this standard. The system I am typing this post on was built about 2 months ago and cost (including shipping) $1,100. It too can run crysis at maximum settings at a reasonable framerate.

I can agree with your general assertion at the end however. At least make an attempt to avoid the common rhetorical fallacies in the first few pages.
 

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"It's easy to look like gold when you're surrounded by shit."
When Halo came out for the original xbawks it was hailed as one of the "bestest gaems evar!" When anyone who actually knew better knew that it was watered down drivel. However console gamers at the time didn't know any better and they really didn't have anything that matched up to Halo. We're seeing the reverse of this now on PC with MW2. PC gamers DO know better and as such the backlash against the PC version of MW2 has been pretty heavy.

They're both pretty striking examples of the disparities between the two communities.

As far as the consolers argument about a gaming PC being expensive, for the price of the original PS3, you can build a gaming computer that can handle all modern games without issues. I just built someone a gaming PC that cost just a hair over 500 bucks (5 bucks over to be exact).

Anway, personally, I don't hate the consoles. They're magnificent machines that have genres that don't really exist on the PC and are a great compliment to any gamer's repertoire. Lord knows I loves me some BlazBlue. The issues are the fanbase.
pc gamers say that analog sticks restrict how well you can play on fps games, and although i agree that a mouse is better for some people, analogue sticks work almost as well, and a controller is a LOT easier to use than a keyboard, where you have your fingers spread all over the keys, and keep pressing the wrong one by accident.
Case in point. Harden the fuck up and lrn2ply.
 

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Because unlike PC gamers, we're not greedy twats who want everything our way, all the time?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Why not when ur spending ur hard earned money on it?

I own a 360 and a 700 quid pc, not a gamin beastie by any stretch of the imagination, and the PC isnt just used for games, tho that is all I mainly do being a procrastinating biatch.

I have, and have always had, the view that some types of games work better on a pc and some on consoles, example: How can u guys play an FPS with a controler? It feels like ur stuck in jame, gimmie a mouse an keyboard anyday. In reverse, a beat em up or sports game works better on a console. Now this is just personal opinion.

I dont see PC as superior to console, I love my 360. They both have their own pros and cons, and I feel they are suited to different kinds of games, a lot of console games never see light of day on a PC, and that is a good thing for consoles. A lot of console games are better than the crap they put out on PC and Visa Versa.

THEY ARE DIFFERENT ANIMALS

The point the OP was trying to make, I think, is that aside from ur net subscription, and MMO's, PC online gaming is pretty much free, yet XBL customers pay for their service and are using, what I feel, is a substandard multiplayer option. P2P is horrendous, though it DOES depend on ur location and ur net connection. Again personal opinion. Its not about 9v9 or 64v64, its about lag. And lag is awful.

Not that anything will change, boycotting wont work, because as with most things, it would take every XBL PSN user in the world to boycott multiplayer and that just aint gonna happen. So maybe they aint settling for less, just are resigned to the fact they changing it is highly unlikely.
 

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Eclectic Dreck said:
gof22 said:
It is bull they are charging a gaming PC for $1800.00? Considering they are a small computer store they have to turn a profit somehow besides fixing computers.

And no, I won't shut up. Saying please and then shut up will most likely get a bad reaction from someone. I on the other hand am more polite than to tell people to shut up. If you don't want to argue than just don't respond back. Don't tell people to shut up. It just makes you seem immature.
It is (likely) true that there exists a computer near you that costs $1,800 that can play crysis at maximum settings at a reasonable framerate. It is also equally true that $1,800 is not the required price point to meet this standard. The system I am typing this post on was built about 2 months ago and cost (including shipping) $1,100. It too can run crysis at maximum settings at a reasonable framerate.

I can agree with your general assertion at the end however. At least make an attempt to avoid the common rhetorical fallacies in the first few pages.
I agree with you that $1800.00 is to high priced for a gaming PC. Sad thing is I was thinking of buying it.
 

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Misterian said:
I'm a console gamer.

wanna know why?

do you have any idea how much money it causes for the parts needed to get every good game that catches you eyes? you might need a faster processor for 1 game, a larger hard drive for the next.

for PC games, you find yourself not only buying a game, but either buying the needed parts to properly play one, or buying a stronger PC just to play one, all which cost hundreds or thousands more than the game itself.
Nonsense. If you had to spend that much money on hardware, you didn't know what you were doing.

as far as I'm concerned, PC gaming is a luxury, the kind you PC gaming richfolk can afford, I once estimated that anyone who can afford to do PC gaming is practically rich enough to at least buy caviar every once a month. Or if you'll let me exagerate, tPC gamers are the kind of people who drink milkshakes from silver straws and live off 4-star meal t-bone steaks or something.
I am poor yet somehow I am able to maintain a gaming PC.


really? then either I've been looking at computers and parts in all the wrong places, or you just know something.
 

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CORRODED SIN said:
Ultratwinkie said:
punkrocker27 said:
so you'll refute every honest word of mine as just being an attempt to "troll?" pfft. such things are below me.

truth is, i don't really know how much it costs, but i know i can't afford it seeing as i've already purchased a 360 with XBL and i'm sixteen working part time.
if you dont know then why not GOOGLE? what makes it worse is that you exaggerate to the point of blasphemy. gaming PCs are 400-600$ items, not thousands of dollars.
Show me a real gaming PC for $400-600, and ill show you Yahtzee's Triple-Cunted Hooker.
you have to offer something better then that, i dont want to get STDs from yahtzee. XD
Yah, thats what i thought. The Droid cell phone is like $500, and thats a phone! netbooks from phone companys arent that far off of that price range after you include usage plans, so how are you gonna get a GAMING PC for that price? just stop.
 

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my number one problem with the whole p2p thing was shown in cod4, if the host decided that he just couldnt be arsed to play and left, that was the whole game over. That really pissed me off : (
 

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Tubez said:
Hmm? When did I say anything about the console gaming?? but if you want my opinion on console gaming you shall have it. Console gaming is probably simpler cause it's just "plug and play" but I prefer computer and that's a personal opinion.
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with PC gaming, I'm saying for me PC gaming would be more complicated and expensive than console gaming, and I know a lot of console gamers are like me in the sense that they prefer the simplicity of it and it adds to the gaming experience. As this relates to the original topic, we're not 'settling' for so little because we don't know or care about what else is out there.
 

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Misterian said:
Nonsense. If you had to spend that much money on hardware, you didn't know what you were doing.
Should we as gamers have to know this? Is there a PC entrance exam to becoming a PC gamer? This is part of my point about simplicity. Console gamers appreciate the simplicity of the system. PC gaming is fine and I will admit that it's most likely a better gaming experience. But it comes with a lot of crap that I don't want to deal with in order to play games.
 

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[HEADING=2]Because its easier[/HEADING]

That is why people play on consoles.

I have a pc, but I still prefer to play on my xbox. There's something about lounging on a couch and talking to a friend while shooting him in the head that is just so soothing
 

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Teiraa said:
Maybe some of us DONT HAVE THE MONEY to get a super awesome PC capable of playing EVERYTHING, dur
Exactly. Also, some of us can only afford ONE computer, which we use professionally and have a concrete need of 100% reliability from, which means not sticking programs as unstable as games on it (not to mention DRM, which has not and will never be present on my computer in any form, which more or less locks me out of mainstream pc gaming anyway). As far as I'm concerned, my computer is a tool, my xbox is a toy. End of story.
 

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Misterian said:
I'm a console gamer.

wanna know why?

do you have any idea how much money it causes for the parts needed to get every good game that catches you eyes? you might need a faster processor for 1 game, a larger hard drive for the next.

for PC games, you find yourself not only buying a game, but either buying the needed parts to properly play one, or buying a stronger PC just to play one, all which cost hundreds or thousands more than the game itself.

as far as I'm concerned, PC gaming is a luxury, the kind you PC gaming richfolk can afford, I once estimated that anyone who can afford to do PC gaming is practically rich enough to at least buy caviar every once a month. Or if you'll let me exagerate, tPC gamers are the kind of people who drink milkshakes from silver straws and live off 4-star meal t-bone steaks or something.

I do console gaming mainly because getting the parts and components needed for all the games you want to play are sometimes more expensive than buying the game itself and frankly makes PC gaming hardly worth all the expense in my opinion.

But also partly with PC gaming, even when you have all the parts needed, doing things like attaching certain parts somewhere, getting a game online, and even installing a game can get so confusing and frustrating that for some people like me, half the work is turning to a person you know who might know better at figuring out what the heck you're supposed to do next.

got me?
This. Oh, and if I install all my favorite console games, I doubt there exists a PC which can handle all that memory.
 

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Mirroga said:
This. Oh, and if I install all my favorite console games, I doubt there exists a PC which can handle all that memory.
How many?
Here's a list of all the games currently installed on my PC, give or take one or two. Cost for the PC, around £600 a couple of years ago. Signs of slowing down? none.

There's your PC that can handle it all.

Also, it's not for the rich. My disposable income is around £5 a week. so yeah.
ACTION/ADVENTURE

-Abe's Oddysee
-Abe's Exoddus
-Asassin's Creed
-BattleCruiser Milennium
-Crimson Skies
-DarkStar One
-Dreamfall: the longest journey
-Eternal Silence
-Freespace 2
-Future Cop: LAPD
-Mechwarrior: Black knight
-Mechwarrior: Vengeance
-Soul Reaver 2
-The longest journey
-Thief
-Transcendence
-Uplink
-Vega Strike

RPG

-Arcanum
-Diablo II
-Dragon Age: Origins
-Fable
-Fallout 2
-Fallout 3
-Gothic
-Gothic 2
-Gothic 3
-Hard to be a god
-Morrowind (Morrowind Script Extender[MWSE])
-Mount & Blade
-Neverwinter nights 2
-Oblivion
-System shock 2 (Shock.exe)

FPS
-ARMA II
-Bioshock
-Combine destiny
-Crysis
-DoomEd 2.1
-Get a Life
-Half-life
-Half-life 2
-Half-life 2: Episode one
-Heavy gear 2
-Minerva: metastasis
-Paranoia
-Prey
-Quake 2
-Renegade
-S.T.A.L.K.E.R Clear Sky
-S.T.A.L.K.E.R Shadow of Chenobyl
-unreal tournament
-Unreal tournament 3

OLD GAMES

-Abe's exoddus
-Absolution (Doom 64)
-Abuse
-Bonkheads
-C&C:TFD
-Doom (Risen 3d)
-Doom builder
-ePSXe (PSone emulator)
-Jungle strike
-Lemmings paintball
-Pirates gold
-Sonic 1-3
-Street racer
-Strife
-Syndicate
-Urban strike
-Zsnesw

STRATEGY

-Age of Empires II
-Age of Empires III
-Black & White
-Black & white 2
-CnC: Zero hour
-ROTR
-Creatures 2
-Dawn of war
-Dawn of war II
-Deadlock 2
-Dungeon Keeper
-Dungeon Keeper 2
-Gangsters
-Ground Control II
-Homeworld II
-Majesty
-MAX
-Mechcommander gold
-Mech commander II
-Port Royale 2
-Red Alert (C&C)
-Rise of legends
-Shogun total war
-SimCity 3000
-SimCity 4
-Stronghold Crusader Extreme
-Stronghold Legends
-Supreme commander
-Sun Age
-Syndicate wars
-Theme hospital
-Theme park world
-Universe at war
-Warcraft III
-warcraft III: Frozen throne
-War front: Turning point
-Warlords Battlecry III
-Warzone 2100
-Worms World Party
-World In Conflict
-Zoo tycoon

Yes, I just have this list lying around on my PC. I like to keep track of things.
 

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miracleofsound said:
Dear Microsoft,

Please could you make XBOX Live less laggy and give us better service, or I will be forced to take drastic measures, such as, um, an internet boycott.

Yeah, bet you're quaking in your boots now.

Yours sincerely,

XBOX live gamer 27, 345,980
Thats it in a nutshell. There is no way console gamers can all get together and say, "O.K. Lets go ahead and boycott this game to send a message." They either don't play enough to care, or they don't care enough to want to do anything to improve it.
 

Mirroga

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Sebenko said:
Mirroga said:
This. Oh, and if I install all my favorite console games, I doubt there exists a PC which can handle all that memory.
How many?
Here's a list of all the games currently installed on my PC, give or take one or two. Cost for the PC, around £600 a couple of years ago. Signs of slowing down? none.

There's your PC that can handle it all.

Also, it's not for the rich. My disposable income is around £5 a week. so yeah.
ACTION/ADVENTURE

-Abe's Oddysee
-Abe's Exoddus
-Asassin's Creed
-BattleCruiser Milennium
-Crimson Skies
-DarkStar One
-Dreamfall: the longest journey
-Eternal Silence
-Freespace 2
-Future Cop: LAPD
-Mechwarrior: Black knight
-Mechwarrior: Vengeance
-Soul Reaver 2
-The longest journey
-Thief
-Transcendence
-Uplink
-Vega Strike

RPG

-Arcanum
-Diablo II
-Dragon Age: Origins
-Fable
-Fallout 2
-Fallout 3
-Gothic
-Gothic 2
-Gothic 3
-Hard to be a god
-Morrowind (Morrowind Script Extender[MWSE])
-Mount & Blade
-Neverwinter nights 2
-Oblivion
-System shock 2 (Shock.exe)

FPS
-ARMA II
-Bioshock
-Combine destiny
-Crysis
-DoomEd 2.1
-Get a Life
-Half-life
-Half-life 2
-Half-life 2: Episode one
-Heavy gear 2
-Minerva: metastasis
-Paranoia
-Prey
-Quake 2
-Renegade
-S.T.A.L.K.E.R Clear Sky
-S.T.A.L.K.E.R Shadow of Chenobyl
-unreal tournament
-Unreal tournament 3

OLD GAMES

-Abe's exoddus
-Absolution (Doom 64)
-Abuse
-Bonkheads
-C&C:TFD
-Doom (Risen 3d)
-Doom builder
-ePSXe (PSone emulator)
-Jungle strike
-Lemmings paintball
-Pirates gold
-Sonic 1-3
-Street racer
-Strife
-Syndicate
-Urban strike
-Zsnesw

STRATEGY

-Age of Empires II
-Age of Empires III
-Black & White
-Black & white 2
-CnC: Zero hour
-ROTR
-Creatures 2
-Dawn of war
-Dawn of war II
-Deadlock 2
-Dungeon Keeper
-Dungeon Keeper 2
-Gangsters
-Ground Control II
-Homeworld II
-Majesty
-MAX
-Mechcommander gold
-Mech commander II
-Port Royale 2
-Red Alert (C&C)
-Rise of legends
-Shogun total war
-SimCity 3000
-SimCity 4
-Stronghold Crusader Extreme
-Stronghold Legends
-Supreme commander
-Sun Age
-Syndicate wars
-Theme hospital
-Theme park world
-Universe at war
-Warcraft III
-warcraft III: Frozen throne
-War front: Turning point
-Warlords Battlecry III
-Warzone 2100
-Worms World Party
-World In Conflict
-Zoo tycoon

Yes, I just have this list lying around on my PC. I like to keep track of things.
I hardly think I have such money to invest on such a beast. Another reason I choose consoles over PC is because, PC requires mods and upgrades from time to time, while consoles just wait for the next-gen of consoles to get their modification boosts. It's a matter of convenience more than quality.

Thanks for letting me know about such a PC though. Now all I wish is a laptop that can do the same thing, in the future.
 

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Most PC gamers have ridiculously advanced machinery that allows these huge games to go on lag free. I can't see my little xbox handling that when it sometimes manages to lag in a 4 player private match.
 

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Must admit I like both platforms really, but am more of a console gamer as I have to use a Mac for work which does limit my gaming options a bit, unless I fancy installing Windows on it, I suppose. One thing that I do think consoles have in their favour is the fact that when you buy a game for them you do know that it will run at a playable rate, whereas the minimum and recommended specifications on PC games can sometimes be a bit misleading.
 

Sebenko

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Mirroga said:
I hardly think I have such money to invest on such a beast. Another reason I choose consoles over PC is because, PC requires mods and upgrades from time to time, while consoles just wait for the next-gen of consoles to get their modification boosts. It's a matter of convenience more than quality.

Thanks for letting me know about such a PC though. Now all I wish is a laptop that can do the same thing, in the future.
Not really, I've only upgraded a couple of times in the past couple of years (included in that price there) and that was only because I skipped a few parts for cheaper ones, then wanted a bigger hardware-penis later.

Also, laptops can do this easily, just need a new hard drive (not much nowadays, though externals do seem to be a little more expensive)

Or go all out and buy an XPS. My friend had one. It was like the Rolls Royce of the laptop world. Can't say it really justified the £1500 price (Yes, you CAN get PCs this expensive, but very few outside manufacturers like Alienware are). Oh, and it had dual GTX285. That's like, woah awesome. Srsly.