Why do Jocks get away with it?

[Cheery Lunatic]

Do you live in Texas or something? Because that kind of thing never happened at any of my schools.

as for why I said Texas... [http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/10/25/cheerleader-wont-cheer-for-her-rapis/]

The amount of ignorance in this post amazes me. One occurrence does not represent all of Texas, pal. This shit would never have gone down in my school, and I happen to live in Texas.

OT: I feel for you, but you went overboard with your attacking the dude with a rope.

Well There's your problem. although to get this clear, what you did was "badass" and I as a porky awkward kid gut bullied to some extent so I've daydreamed of doing similar things. but the problem is that you accidentally let yourself become worse than the bullies, and I know I suck for saying that, but its true. Yes, they beat you and bruised over a long period. But no-one saw that, it wasn't harmless, but it was less "impressionable".

The best way is to show them who's boss without overstepping any boundaries. I once dropped a bully to the floor and punched him like a moron in front of the class BUT, not only did he not have a scratch on him to prove it, no one vouched for him, and the teachers never believed him. I got away scot-free.

Don't get me wrong, your school system is biased and broken. but i'm just saying that.... Strangling a guy with a rope? really?

For the most part, I agree with this dude. You shouldn't have done something so huge in front of so many people.

Don't get me wrong, I think you should get back at those SOB's, but strangling them with ropes is not the way to do it. I understood you snapped at that point though (if all you've said is through, you've went through HELL, buddy), so it's not like you "planned" the aforesaid strangling, per se. Still, you should not feel justified in what you did.

And also, while I'm at it, I'm annoyed at this "all jocks are evil bastards" mentality. Playing sports does not make you a jerk. Yeah, I've met my share of assholes who happen to think their physical abilities somehow entitle them to look down on others (though I've also met those who feel the same way about their mental capabilities), but I also know a bunch of really sweet, nice people that fit into the "jock" category.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

EDIT: Crap I forgot the question; why is it that the jocks can get away with ANYTHING but the second I defend myself after being badly injured (with 33 witnesses mind you) I get in major trouble?

We live in a society where people are judged not on their quality as humans but on their abilities on many times utterly inane skills. We live in a society that promotes competition, hatred, subjugation, celebrity.

These are not things that occur in our society, they are its values. If you are not the strongest or the luckiest, you will be fucked over. If you are the weakest and the least lucky, then you will be fucked over often.

This is the American dream: are you loving it yet?

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

sorry, double post.
Please remove

 

[BlueGlowstick]

I have had similar problems when I was 16-17 years old. I told the quarterback I had a tattoo, his friends found out, one asked me for my number, & they harrassed me for months. So I turned the tables on them & did the same thing. After they stole my wallet & a brand new cell phone, I reported them to a cop & said the reason why I held back was because most were on a sports team. Nothing happened to them- at all.

 

[RanD00M]

Jocks get away with shit like this because if they make it to the big leagues, they often give the school that made them the sports player they are today a big wad of cash. And that amount is usually higher than the gross revenue that they get from just being a public school.

Then we get into the whole "school honor" thing. Schools are often looked at in a better light if they have a good sports team, rather than having a good number of kids that get into collage.


Bang Bang, You're Dead is a good film on the subject manner. And I'm almost certain that the play is just as good. The script is anyway.

 

[Canid117]

Do you live in Texas or something? Because that kind of thing never happened at any of my schools.

as for why I said Texas... [http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/10/25/cheerleader-wont-cheer-for-her-rapis/]

The amount of ignorance in this post amazes me. One occurrence does not represent all of Texas, pal. This shit would never have gone down in my school, and I happen to live in Texas.

OT: I feel for you, but you went overboard with your attacking the dude with a rope.

Calm down it was a semi-joke. You can go ahead and make fun of my state for all the horrible stuff it has done. If you want to get serious though the fact that the Texas court system supported the schools decision means that in a legal sense this incident does in fact represent all of Texas. Yay legal precedent! Also I agree the garroting is something that goes over the line. Just punch the dude in the face or the gut next time.

and fuck you Captchas

 

[Omega Pirate]

I actually don't understand the American school system. Iv had most of my eduction in Canada, and I never seen or heard anyone get beat up at my school(s). This was a public school. Sure there were douche bags, but nothing with physical violence.

 

[The_Chief]

you school sucks bro. im a "jock" i wrestle and play football, but i hang out with the sceneish chill atheist kids and really everyone. skaters scene nerds jocks everyone but we dont have the problem at my school. hell i get picked on sometimes but thats just my boys messin around. just glad ya got out of there in one peace (sorta)

 

[SinisterGehe]

They know that you will end up with better job and better women later on... I wish it would go like that...
I think the issue is in your school system, it gives space for that kind of behavior. I Finland, you hit a student and he starts bleed or you threat a student, next thing you know you are being questioned by the police, social workers, psychologist, teacher, principal, they will call your parents and you end up in to the shitty wheel of being observed student in school.

But honestly, I don't know. But let me tell you that you were lucky. MY bullying (In Finnish schools) ended up me having my skull cracked, head trauma and heavy bleeding from my head + now the doctors suspect the neurological disfunction I have on my right arm might be connected to this beating I had on 8th grade (which I lost from the start, me vs 3 strong immigrant boys, do the math...) Basically, I might be losing my ability to use my right hand because someone wanted to show me that I should never ask them to be silent during Media class (I literally asked (translated: Would you be quiet? I am trying to watch the movie...))
SO you have had it lucky, but still I feel your pain, I been bullied physically and mentally since I was a child. But you have still been lucky (In a sense). I now sit here taking Tramadol and Noritren to control the pain on my hand while watching it get worse every day.
But what I do now? I go around places now and then and talk to kids about bullying. And I am no "It is not ice to bully others, lets all be friends" Speaker. I tell the Horrible grim truth, I show them the pictures of me lying down as a kid on the mud bleeding from my head. And tell them in how much of trouble the boys were afterwards. One of them will be having hard time getting a job (at least until hes 21), one of them got depressed and had to go to therapy over the guilt hes having over it, one is running around happy because he hadn't need to go to the court since he was under 15 years old. But I haven't ever seen parents so angry, sorry and disgusted of their kids behavior as they were when they came to me and told them they were sorry for what their kids did to me.
I hope this memory burns deep in to their mind and feels them with guilt when their own loved one get bullied. It would serve them right.

But just remember, you are not alone. Million of people have had to go trough their worst nightmares in school. Remember that they feeling of hate and lust for revenge can be forged to become a motivation for success, I know for sure that those boys will never be able to reach the things I have already achieved. That is enough of a revenge for me.

 

[Dimensional Vortex]

Heres a crazy idea, call the cops. Sue the kids for assault so that if you win they probably won't ever get a job in professional sports due to their tendency to hurt people.

That hasn't really happened to me yet, but I do get occasionally picked on, but mostly because I have a lot of body hair (you ever seen Chewbaca?) Although this probably has been said before but, the jocks are the stars of the school, a few people might recognize the guy who got the highest marks in mathematics as the more deserving of praise but seldom people will give that guy attention for more than a minute. A good example is when our fortnight of tests came round at my school, I was doing quite well like 74 out of 78 good. The only people who really even cared that I got the highest marks on nearly all the tests were my friends and some people who were close to being friends, and still only for like 20 seconds. While in the same testing time there was inter-school cricket going on, the people who did well were recognized highly by most of the students and our teacher, and if I dared say "It's just cricket, it's not that big of a deal." all hell would break loose.

PS I hope I could help, I don't think I have been in a bad as situation like you have.

PPS Good luck with your situation

 

[SuccessAndBiscuts]

Its an issue of escalation, I pulled a not too dissimilar stunt myself once. Will spare you the details but basically this guy who had been taking the piss for years wound up having to take a trip to hospital.

The head teacher said to me "You have never struck me as a violent boy" yea, I'm not. I was just exceptionally angry and smart enough to make use of my surroundings.

Years later I read "Life of Pi" (awesome book much recommended) and a lot of the Animal Behavioural psychology really struck a bell with me, lots of armchair psychology later and basically a transformation took place. At school I was stereotypical nerdy loner who was too lazy (not lazy as such just couldn't see the point I had no life after all) to actually concentrate on getting good grades.

(My maths results are a great example of that, Standard grade: 4 Int2: A Higher: Did not finish)

Now I'm at uni, in a relationship and occasionally forced to fend off girls when I'm out with friends. In uni I'm basically the unofficial leader in all my groups for group work.

The moral of the story is, humans are animals. Like it or not we are pack based and every pack has to have an Alpha and an Omega, you can't always be the Alpha but you NEVER want to be the Omega (and if you aren't then you can protect them a bit) The response with bullying is to answer back, call them out. They insult you don't look away and mumble something, look em in the eye and insult them back, odds are you are smarter so with a bit of practice you can start adding some real flair to your insults. If it gets physical remember its more posturing than anything, knock down or get knocked down then leave it.

You can escalate it to a point and its "boys will be boys" go past it and problems occur.

The hardest part is just keeping at it but once you are past the hardest stage its all downhill from there, you can apply this approach to almost any walk of life. Confident people succeed, who dares wins and even if he doesn't he will still get points for it. Pick your battles though. You don't need to win them all, just more than the other guy.

 

[shootthebandit]

this sounds like some bullshit from an american teen drama. i thought all that jock shit was made up?

anyway we dont have these problems in britain. also american football players are pussys, who plays a toned down version of rugby with fucking armour. id love to see one of these "jocks" last a day in a glaswegian high school

 

[ecoho]

Okay yeah this is a life story but it has a point

I've been beaten up my whole life (weather it be because I'm weird, because I'm poor, or because I'm 18 and have never had a girlfriend)

but in 7th grade (weird/poor) things went too far

the Football team would always hold me down and take turns hitting me
or pelting me with tennis and baseballs

scares bruises and black eyes everywhere

the teachers said "they're just boys being boys"

then one day at the gym, we were doing the rope climb
you climb this really tall rope, ring the bell, then fall onto this really soft cooshy pad so you don't have to climb all the way back down (the pad itself was like 4-5 feet tall, and felt like a tempurpedic bed)


well I rang the bell and slid down the rope a little (because I didn't trust them for a reason) then about half way down the rope I let go and fell for the pad

the quarterback then proceeded to pull the pad out from under me and I hit the hard-wood floor with a loud thud

everyone laughed

I then lost my temper and garroted the quarterback with the rope (wrapped it around his neck and pulled tight) yelling that he would never do that again

then things became very serious; the teacher yelled at the class to "get him off of him" and well yeah you can see where things went

in the end, I got expelled for hurting the quarterback
and when I showed the bruises, crutches, and scars and told them how I got them they said "it's one thing to harm the student body, it's another thing to make up stories to justify it"

...the principal then tried to convince me to take up something to relieve my anger such as football, or baseball, or soccer...

goes to show what a jock he was as well

off note: I ended up taking archery in boyscouts and was the only one that could bullseye every time on the 20 yard target... I was told that I shouldn't take an anger outlet that would let me kill people from 60 feet away with a sharp stick

EDIT: Crap I forgot the question; why is it that the jocks can get away with ANYTHING but the second I defend myself after being badly injured (with 33 witnesses mind you) I get in major trouble?

EDIT 2: sorry actually I wasn't "expelled" I was just "suspended" for a quarter of the year

when I got back the jocks started beating me with bricks (apparently a drunk driver hit the wall next to the church or something)

and I just ran into the office as fast as I could and the second the principal heard my voice and the phrase "law suit"

well...
we had a talk

then I was suspended for my own safety

because he didn't want me to be in an environment where I could get hurt
(you know, because punishing the victim is TOTALLY what you're supposed to do... not punish the [4] offenders!)

EDIT 3: I'm not like this anymore and this has been taken care of (got half the kids there to stop attending and shut down one of the two schools they had... which were right across the street from each other haha)

Just throwing that out there

I'm not really a violent person (yes I am I just keep it in- and blame society)
so no one think I'm a freak or anything lol

just was wondering if anyone else has things like this happen and if this is running rampent

i feel your pain my friend and the reason they get away with it is cause people dont want to fuck up their teams. Now in my case i made sure every time the fuckers came at me i was somewere with camras so when i finaly broke the fucking running backs leg with a pipe i had enoth evedence to not only get his ass arrested but get the princible fired in the end man they will keep trying this till you make them stop, or you convince them your crazy.......no one messes with a crazy person.

 

[Singularly Datarific]

I've no idea. Sorry to hear, my empathetic rage is building up as I speak.
Anyways, I have the luck of going to a school where it is at least %20 band geek, so we don't get picked on. On top of that, the sports at my school (Well, football) are TERRIBLE. We've won 2 football games in the time I've been here (since the 6th grade, I'm 11th grade now). I think we don't get picked on because we're bigger than the sports teams, and nobody would care or notice if they couldn't play, cos it's not as if they can at the moment.

 

[Flac00]

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Well the fact that you choked the guy with a rope might have been a problem. Just beating him senseless, there you should have been fine. Though honestly, all that other stuff is messed up..... Don't worry, your not as crazy as you think. Just try soccer out (WE NEED MORE PEOPLE!!)

 

[MercenaryCanary]

Maybe you should have joined the army, on a unrelated sidenote, have you ever seen full metal jacket ?

I've seen about half of it, it was funny (if I'm thinking of the right movie)

To both of these statements, I merely have to say "What."
Full Metal Jacket was sort of funny up until Pvt. Piles(?) killed Gunnery Sgt. Hartman.

Your situation sounds terrible.
Just go ahead with the law suit.

 

[Hunde Des Krieg]

Premise 4: "Civilization is based on a clearly defined and widely accepted yet often unarticulated hierarchy. Violence done by those higher on the hierarchy to those lower is nearly always invisible, that is, unnoticed. When it is noticed it is fully rationalized. Violence done by those lower on the hierarchy to those higher is unthinkable, and when it does occur it is regarded with shock, horror, and the fetishization of the victims."
-Endgame, Derrick Jensen.

 

[jojoemon]

I liked the part where you garroted the quarterback

 

[ninja51]

To be honest, I dont believe you. That sounds like the bullshit they even exaggerated in the 50's. If you were a kid in the 50's well that sucks, if you are a kid from the 90's up then IF your telling the truth, you must be "really" wierd and not know how to talk if people dont believe you when you show bruises and cuts. Oh and you tried to strange a guy seriously. Meeting violence and immaturity with batshit insane "future murderer" violence does not put you in the right

 

[SuccessAndBiscuts]

id love to see one of these "jocks" last a day in a glaswegian high school

Glasgow grin anyone?

Nothing in this life is more frightening than being cornered by a group of teenage NEDs

But seriously its a a stereotype, there is an element of truth to it (like all stereotypes) but its mostly untrue.