why do people get so hyped for dual weilding

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WhiteTiger225

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Kajin said:
With practice dual wielding can be an effective combative form, but that's the thing... With Practice. Lots and Lots of practice. You will not get this overnight.

Still, though, it does have it's benefits. A good offense can sometimes also be an effective defence. Your attacks are coming twice as fast, which means your opponent has to work twice as hard to deflect your incoming blows and that offers greater chance to catch him off guard and finish him off. You trade the extra protection/precision for increased frequency in your strikes. They don't have to be perfectly placed so long as they still do their job.

Using a gun and a sword might be feasible but the gun itself would have to be puny. I'm talking the same size or smaller than the hand holding it. You need a good grip and that means a very thin clip. Five rounds per magazine maximum I'd say. Unless your carrying at least three of those suckers on your person at all times so you can reach for a new one every time a clip is depleted it isn't gonna happen.
Wrong. Any good swordsmen will tell you that your attacks will come slower as you have less strength to exert per sword, you are also left wide open for attack and can really do no more then flail. To test this, pick up a 5lb stick that is about 3ft in length, pick up another one, now try swinging them in turn, compare that to how fast you can slash with 1 5lb 3ft long stick using both hands. It comes down to a matter of balance, control, and body movement, which in the end, the limitations of the human body make dual wielding a move of desperation rather then a smart option.
 

bjj hero

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Someone else posted this before me on an earlier thread. Its so good its worth posting twice.

You have doubts how cool Dual wield is?

 

Ironic

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Dual-wielding is pretty much only cool because of the matrix. The matrix and the 2x guns is 2x cool as 1x gun :D
 

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Amnestic said:
Fuck dual wielding. Revolver Ocelot triple wields. He's way cooler than any dual wielding pussy.
Word!

OT:
It looks cool. Not much more too it me thinks.
 

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Im really against it being in MW.. The first game prided it's self on weaponry and weapon use, while no where near realistic, it was still different, and better than, say, halo.

Ask anyone, given a choice (who has fired a gun) will take one handgun over 2 in a combat scenario.
 

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Well, because if you're holding one crappy little pistol, you may as well hold another one.

Basically, anything held in one hand may as well have a second one to go with it because you have two hands (durrr).
 

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ThreeWords said:
Amnestic said:
Revolver Ocelot triple wields.
Um, how?
He juggles his guns, so he only ever has two in his hands at any one time but a third is up in the air. You don't mess with Revolver Ocelot. Some people are all "Oh, well Solid Snake could kick his ass." but to me, Solid Snake will always be a bit of a has-been in comparison to Ocelot.

/fanboy off.

Zoro from the anime/manga series One Piece triple wields Katanas as well. One in each hand and a third clenched between his teeth. Of course, you have a stretching rubber man in that show so reality doesn't really apply.
 

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Because in the old Marathon games that actually counted for something. Dual-wielding pistols gave them a respectable DPS, you had plenty of ammo for them and you could reload seperately. Sure, an SMG did a better job at close ranges , but while realoading you were defenseless and ammo was a bit of a problem.

Since then, it's just sort of picked up. It looks cool, people can imagine them as badasses when they wield a weapon in both hands (a feat almost impossible to do in real life with firearms to any effect) and it can actually have some uses. Dual weapons is dual the damage output.

And it became a marketing point: 'Hey, in this game you can dual-wield! Let's buy that one instead.' And so everyone began to do it.
 

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I don't know. You can shoot a single gun as fast as you can pull the trigger in COD4 so I don't see dual pistols doing anything at all. Still, it might be fun.
I've been seeing a nerf to that game mechanic for a long time. Having absolutely no limit on how fast you can pull the trigger lets people who use modded controllers rule the game. Completely ruins balance. I see them implementing some sort of restrictions on speed. I can only hope...
 

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Because one just ain't enough, and two is too low. This is Three Dog! Aooooooooow...

Wait... Nevermind.
The only game I've played with the ability to dual wield is Halo 3, and dual wielding is shit because you have to drop the other gun to do ANYTHING. Also there's next to no advantage to two guns, people still take nearly a full clip to die.
 

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bjj hero said:
Someone else Jedamethis posted this before me on an earlier thread. Its so good its worth posting twice.

You have doubts how cool Dual wield is?

Yay! Now I don't have to find and post it again!

Also, mostly to Whitetiger225, it's in a game, frankly I don't care about how crap dual-wielding is in the real world. I've never noticed any significant accuracy problems when dual-wielding, although maybe I haven't been playing the same games as you...
 

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Let's bring you all back to earth with some delicious copypasta, courtesy of bean-o.
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What could be better than a handgun? Well common logic dictates that a rifle, shotgun, machine gun, sub-machine gun, sniper rifle or assault rifle would fit that bill. But as typical with the beliefs firmly held by the people I'm trying to piss off there is no common logic involved. Therefore we have another option. Instead of wielding one handgun, why not wield two? Makes sense right? Double the gun, double the fun. After all aren't handguns designed to be used with one hand? Well it all comes crashing down because no, handguns are usually designed to be used with both hands. They can usually be used one-handed in a pinch if your other hand is preoccupied holding a rock or jerking off or something, but they're still far better when controlled by both hands.

Guns in general have a lot more recoil than people tend to think. Blazing away with one can be a workout, shooting up a storm with two is near impossible. You can always fire slower, but then where is the advantage of getting two in the first place? One could argue that since you have two guns you have double the magazine capacity. But then why not just use one gun with both hands and use the other when the first runs out? Or failing that why not reload like a normal person. After all, two guns take more than twice as long to reload. The other problem with shooting two handguns at the same time is accuracy. Good marksmanship depends on being able to focus on your target and where your bullets are going, to do this you must use the iron sights on your gun. When you have two in your hands, you can only focus on one set of sights at a time, not both.

So now you're back with shooting one gun and having the other taking up your other hand for no reason. Alternatively you can just guess where the bullet is going to go and just shoot by feel. But only idiots do that. It's tough enough to guess approximately where one gun is going to shoot when you're not using the sights, but two guns as we all know can shoot into two totally different directions so you have to constantly be guessing where both of them will be shooting. Sounds easy enough, but it's near impossible to do beyond about 10 feet. You could put laser sights on your guns, but then you'd just constantly have to search for two different laser dots moving about independently of each other, both only remotely hinting at where the bullet can go. It's all just a huge headfuck. The most you could accomplish by shooting pistols akimbo is a whole lot of ammo wasted without hitting anything you want to hit and both your arms way too tired way too fast.

Contrary to popular belief dual-wielding SMGs is no easier or more effective. Especially sub-compact ones like Micro UZIs. With two SMGs not only do you now have two guns that are heavier and even less accurate. Now they're fully-automatic. Therefore the recoil problems you had before are multiplied. Your arms are practically going to fall off. And it doesn't stop there either. Some believe that you can use Magnums, Assault Rifles, MGs and even sawn-off shotguns with both hands. (Yeah, GTA:SA). The former two you can hardly hold one-handed. It's no easier with swords either, proper swordsmanship depends on strength and accuracy with the blade. Doing so greatly depends on using the sword with both hands. Dividing your strength and attention between two doesn't help you very much. It does work somewhat well with special-designed light daggers, but that's about it.

Unless you're an ancient Greek god (and you're not) there's no way you can use a sword the size of your head, let alone two. I simply don't see a reason why anyone would use two weapons at the same time. Perhaps they're trying to show off, but that would just get them killed. In video games it's easy enough to do because a game can always hold any number of weapons on target. In real life, not so easy.
Read it through, worth it.
 
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Couldnt tell you man... Dual wield has that accuracy thing thing going on, plus regardless of what ANYONE says...There is only one game in the history of mankind to make dual wielding pistols look cool and it wasn't an FPS. In FPS's just imagine looking as stupid as Lara Croft in the first Tomb Raider. It'll make you think twice about wetting your drawers for Dual Wield in Modern Warfare 2. Grab 2 handguns if you like, you'll be meeting the business end of the trusty m16 RAEP cannon in that game.
 

Kajin

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WhiteTiger225 said:
Kajin said:
With practice dual wielding can be an effective combative form, but that's the thing... With Practice. Lots and Lots of practice. You will not get this overnight.

Still, though, it does have it's benefits. A good offense can sometimes also be an effective defence. Your attacks are coming twice as fast, which means your opponent has to work twice as hard to deflect your incoming blows and that offers greater chance to catch him off guard and finish him off. You trade the extra protection/precision for increased frequency in your strikes. They don't have to be perfectly placed so long as they still do their job.

Using a gun and a sword might be feasible but the gun itself would have to be puny. I'm talking the same size or smaller than the hand holding it. You need a good grip and that means a very thin clip. Five rounds per magazine maximum I'd say. Unless your carrying at least three of those suckers on your person at all times so you can reach for a new one every time a clip is depleted it isn't gonna happen.
Wrong. Any good swordsmen will tell you that your attacks will come slower as you have less strength to exert per sword, you are also left wide open for attack and can really do no more then flail. To test this, pick up a 5lb stick that is about 3ft in length, pick up another one, now try swinging them in turn, compare that to how fast you can slash with 1 5lb 3ft long stick using both hands. It comes down to a matter of balance, control, and body movement, which in the end, the limitations of the human body make dual wielding a move of desperation rather then a smart option.
A. I never claimed this style was perfect
B. The very first thing I said was this would take practice. Almost mind numbing amounts of it.

You can choose to fight anyway you want. Duel wielding is one of those things that most people don't do because it is incredibly unreliable and hard to train for, but those who put there mind to it can train to such an extent as to render themselves competent combatants at the very least. There are more factors that determine what wins a battle then just skill in your blade alone. Just because your ability to fight is hampered in some way doesn't mean you are destined to lose. It's just far more likely that you will XD

Sidenote:
I also believe I partially answered some of what you're trying to deny in my previous post where I mentioned your gun would have to be far smaller in order to accommodate the lack of support. Who says your sword needs to be three feet? Who says it needs to be a sword in the first place? I myself prefer very big knives.
 

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Instant K4rma said:
WET, thats why its awesome.

Btw, OP, your avatar made my day.
Seconded that game looks awesome and I loved the demo

Dual wielding = double the firepower, can put more bullets down range quicker, can shoot at 2 targets at once (well not in FPS of course) and you tend to be more mobile than with one big weapon.

Plus of course the visual attraction of 2 guns since it looks badass