Overal mission repetivity and the extremly annoying friend system, that's all I don't like about the game but the exact reasons why I play Saints Row 2 instead of GTA4 now.
Why do people say that GTA IV is overrated?
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1. Getting called 24/7 by Roman was annoying enough, add in Little Jacob, Brucie, Dwayne, assorted girlfriends, and any other random people you scrounge up and it gets to be torture when all you want to do is blow things up with grenades and you get called by some idiot who wants you to go bowling with him.
2. The story abandoned the zany GTA feeling I've come to know and love, I was willing to ignore that for a bit, but then I got pretty tired of the realistic feeling, I play GTA to get away from the "brown and gray, super-realism" feeling that most games seem to have nowadays.
3. I really liked San Andreas, to me it had the perfect mix of craziness that I know and love, and the injection of drama to make CJ feel like a real person. I was let down by this somewhat-angsty Serbian fellow and his lovable cousin whose calls managed to drive me off this game almost singlehandedly.
4. Saint's Row actually pilfered the mantle of "crazy crime game" from GTA now that its a "dark and serious" game like everyone else. Why GTA when I can play Saint's Row?
2. The story abandoned the zany GTA feeling I've come to know and love, I was willing to ignore that for a bit, but then I got pretty tired of the realistic feeling, I play GTA to get away from the "brown and gray, super-realism" feeling that most games seem to have nowadays.
3. I really liked San Andreas, to me it had the perfect mix of craziness that I know and love, and the injection of drama to make CJ feel like a real person. I was let down by this somewhat-angsty Serbian fellow and his lovable cousin whose calls managed to drive me off this game almost singlehandedly.
4. Saint's Row actually pilfered the mantle of "crazy crime game" from GTA now that its a "dark and serious" game like everyone else. Why GTA when I can play Saint's Row?
Fun seems to be lacking: You have this fairly well sized city that feels realistic(though gritted out) yet you go can't speed incase you die or walk in the road and everything such as Tanks are GONE 
and I dont need to mention all the dates you need to go on.
and I dont need to mention all the dates you need to go on.
I played the previous games for the over-the-top, not-so-serious attitude. It was a lot of fun. When GTAIV tried "realistic", the fun part went out the window. Accidentally running over pedestrians gave me a guilt trip since I was supposed to play a rather decent guy; with those ambitions for the character, it felt plain WRONG to do a lot of the things in the game.
Plus there were no side stuff worth mentioning that provided any enjoyment.
I think this ad about sums it up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tVpqF2VnkY
Plus there were no side stuff worth mentioning that provided any enjoyment.
I think this ad about sums it up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tVpqF2VnkY
It's not so much that it is a "bad" game per se, indeed the cutscenes were incredible and the minigames/missions were both callenging and enjoyable, it's just that GTA IV was hyped up as being the best game ever (or close to it), and in terms of sheer fun there are at least 20 games off the top of my head (ranging from Ristar on the Genesis to Saint's Row 2 on 360) that I would find more enjoyable. That and the fact that Realism has never been a strong attraction point in games for me, so the realism of GTA IV just gets in the way of fun at least and at most makes the actual gameplay somewhat depressing and drab.
Well, considering that GTA IV is the only GTA game that I have actually beaten, I haven't even gotten to the second island/area in any other. So I can't really compare it to any other GTA.
The multiplayer is pretty fun, but I do believe that GTA IV was overated.
I was expecting it to be more in line with San Andreas, mainly a lot of cheats and weapons.
Thats all I did in the other GTA games was spawn a tank and weapons and wreak havok.
GTA IV took away tanks
And teh story didn't even interest me that much, mainly because I had to drive around so many damn "friends" who seem to have nothing better to do than call me every 20 minuts.
Saints Row 2 reminded me more of GTA than GTA IV, mainly it reminds me more of San Andreas.
The multiplayer is pretty fun, but I do believe that GTA IV was overated.
I was expecting it to be more in line with San Andreas, mainly a lot of cheats and weapons.
Thats all I did in the other GTA games was spawn a tank and weapons and wreak havok.
GTA IV took away tanks
And teh story didn't even interest me that much, mainly because I had to drive around so many damn "friends" who seem to have nothing better to do than call me every 20 minuts.
Saints Row 2 reminded me more of GTA than GTA IV, mainly it reminds me more of San Andreas.
Yeah, even though a billion people have already said it GTA IV just felt too serious. I guess it all comes down to personal taste, it all felt a little bit too much like 'The Getaway' (albeit, an awful lot better) for me. While a good game i still prefer Saints Row 2 for my messing around and having 'zany' fun.
I personally enjoyed GTA Vice City more than all GTA's. Yet 4 was good too.
Right now, the main storyline was pretty good. Right now I'm thinking of getting the new DLC "The Lost and the Damned". Yet I'm still thinking.
But seriously, THE FUCKING COUSIN CALLS YOU EVERY SINGLE FUCKING SECOND, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE THAT FAT PIECE OF CRAP DRINKING ANYMORE....Oh dear, Nikos Cousin made me insane...........
Right now, the main storyline was pretty good. Right now I'm thinking of getting the new DLC "The Lost and the Damned". Yet I'm still thinking.
But seriously, THE FUCKING COUSIN CALLS YOU EVERY SINGLE FUCKING SECOND, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE THAT FAT PIECE OF CRAP DRINKING ANYMORE....Oh dear, Nikos Cousin made me insane...........
I don't get the "GO SEE AMERICAN TITTIE WITH MY COUSIN LOL" complaint.
Cell Phone -> Options -> Sleep Mode -> On
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As for the driving controls, I have to say the driving in GTAIII was much, much worse. It was quite literally the top-down driving controls from GTA2, but from a third person perspective. It just felt awkward unless I set the camera to overhead view, at which point shit kept obscuring my view. That's always a plus for the camera, right?
Anyway, I personally felt it was a really good game, often made more interesting by cheat codes (if that floats your boat), though a few things I really liked from previous games were trimmed. Like the tanks and the helicopter that fired rockets instead of a machinegun. As for overrated, I think most people will be a lot happier with review scores as a whole when they stop taking 10/10 as "This game is the game for everyone regardless of taste, age, or sexuality!" and accept it as something closer to "Really damn good game; epitomizes genre."
Also, why the fuck are people complaining about getting so many cops on them for stuff that is actually a crime? This is GTA. Part of the fun is SUPPOSED to be headshotting a pedestrian then having a massive car chase with Liberty City's finest.
Cell Phone -> Options -> Sleep Mode -> On
Continue with game.
As for the driving controls, I have to say the driving in GTAIII was much, much worse. It was quite literally the top-down driving controls from GTA2, but from a third person perspective. It just felt awkward unless I set the camera to overhead view, at which point shit kept obscuring my view. That's always a plus for the camera, right?
Anyway, I personally felt it was a really good game, often made more interesting by cheat codes (if that floats your boat), though a few things I really liked from previous games were trimmed. Like the tanks and the helicopter that fired rockets instead of a machinegun. As for overrated, I think most people will be a lot happier with review scores as a whole when they stop taking 10/10 as "This game is the game for everyone regardless of taste, age, or sexuality!" and accept it as something closer to "Really damn good game; epitomizes genre."
Also, why the fuck are people complaining about getting so many cops on them for stuff that is actually a crime? This is GTA. Part of the fun is SUPPOSED to be headshotting a pedestrian then having a massive car chase with Liberty City's finest.
I loved a lot about it but the whole friends system was too intrusive. It seemed they wanted to hang out every day an if you wanted your benifits then you had to and if you didn't then they'd harrass you on the phone or generally make you feel bad.
I wouldn't say that it would be better if they did away with it entirely but I would like it a lot more if only you could call them or if they called significantly less.
In a good number of ways it also kind of felt like a step back from San Andreas in some ways what with the lack of character and car customization. I missed being able to fly planes too, but that wouldn't be very appropriate in a single city.
I wouldn't say that it would be better if they did away with it entirely but I would like it a lot more if only you could call them or if they called significantly less.
In a good number of ways it also kind of felt like a step back from San Andreas in some ways what with the lack of character and car customization. I missed being able to fly planes too, but that wouldn't be very appropriate in a single city.
GTA IV was a perfectly acceptable game from a perfectly acceptable franchise. Most of the hating of the game is done precisely because it was popular and heavily advertised, and the same treatment is given to more or less every single other wildy popular thing I've ever known about.
I prefered Saints Row's take on the sandbox genre, because I participated in that grand puppet show to blow things up - basically mirroring the motivation of the main character. GTA IV does quite a few things better in my book, but those things are all, unfortunately very minor in the grand scheme of the game.
I prefered Saints Row's take on the sandbox genre, because I participated in that grand puppet show to blow things up - basically mirroring the motivation of the main character. GTA IV does quite a few things better in my book, but those things are all, unfortunately very minor in the grand scheme of the game.
GTA IV is too much like a generic third person action game unlike its predecessors. GTA III, Vice City, and San Andreas all had an arcade like style but an unstoppable feeling of fun. The cops were a parody of real life cops. People acted realistically, but they didnt act over serious, these older games knew they were games and showed it, and had fun with it.
You could ride anything, boats, planes, jetpacks, bikes, cars, whatever u like... 18 wheeler.
GTA IV takes away all that and makes it , while graphically superior, too boring. All the characters in liberty city are boring. They took away all the improvements vice city and san andreas introduced to the series. Heck even GTA III had a plane. The pure amount of weapons has been decreased as well. Idk about cars, i havent really checked on a comparison on the number of cars. And San Andreas had alot more room in it, and even a cool desert area where you could speed around in and listen to the awesome 90s audio track.
Tommy Vercetti FTW!
You could ride anything, boats, planes, jetpacks, bikes, cars, whatever u like... 18 wheeler.
GTA IV takes away all that and makes it , while graphically superior, too boring. All the characters in liberty city are boring. They took away all the improvements vice city and san andreas introduced to the series. Heck even GTA III had a plane. The pure amount of weapons has been decreased as well. Idk about cars, i havent really checked on a comparison on the number of cars. And San Andreas had alot more room in it, and even a cool desert area where you could speed around in and listen to the awesome 90s audio track.
Tommy Vercetti FTW!
It got 10/10 from a lot of major websites, including ones that have only granted 1 or 2 10/10s ever.
There were enough bad things in this game that it did not deserve a 10/10. The friends calling you on the phone was annoying, but if you didn't do it you might not get some of the cool things in the game.
Multiplayer was pretty 'meh', but the other GTA games didn't have MP at all so can't really complain about that. The SP was lengthly enough to make up for it.
Driving handling wasn't very fun, too frustrating.
Despite that it was still a very high quality game.
There were enough bad things in this game that it did not deserve a 10/10. The friends calling you on the phone was annoying, but if you didn't do it you might not get some of the cool things in the game.
Multiplayer was pretty 'meh', but the other GTA games didn't have MP at all so can't really complain about that. The SP was lengthly enough to make up for it.
Driving handling wasn't very fun, too frustrating.
Despite that it was still a very high quality game.
.....Okay apparently you don't realize just how hyped that game was. So before I post why I dislike the game let me objectively describe to you how over hyped it was.Eipok Kruden said:
That game was given more tens than any game I can think of deserves, many web sites claimed it took OoT's spot as best game ever made. It was supposed to be revolutionary, amazing, the dream sandbox game. All this and more were said abotu this game by reviewers, magazines, and what have you. By no stretch of imagination,no matter how much you love the game, can you say it lived up to it's hype. Only the most disgustingly pathetic of fanatical fanboys would claim it lived up to its hype.
Now, on to what I think of the game. It was god awful.
Even disregarding the hype it was slightly above average at best, and most certainly did not live up to it's predecessors. Just about every single thing they did that was better than past GTA games was completely negated by a stupid design choice due to Rockstars absurd obsession with making it's video games realistic.
Better Aiming and shooting system? Great! Now let's make it so that three 9mm pistol shots to your torso brings you down to almost zero health, making it so that things like rampages and other activities where you would enjoy the new aiming system end with you getting killed by a patrol cop with a pistol 30 seconds after you start.
Much better graphics? Awesome! Now let's make all of the characters fuck ugly and give you a total of three different dull and stupid looking outfits to choose from, so that you end up not liking the fact that there are great graphics since everything to see is hideous!
Much better system for wanted levels and escaping the cops? ALRIGHT! Now let's make it so that if you so much as sneeze in front of a cop you get two stars, and lets make it so that cops are so common it's virtually impossible to sneeze without a cop seeing you, and finally to top it all off let's make it so that in the rare event that there are no cops around, shooting someone will still automatically give you two stars for some reason.
Much more detailed and in depth city? Just what we needed! Now let's make it so that the environments in that city consist of Dirty poor area, and Rich clean area, abandoning the variety and colorful locales that made the last games so much fun to explore.
Better driving engine? Well hot diggity damn! Now let's completely fail to take advantage of it by not putting in any interesting side missions, making all the existing side missions generic and boring, and not giving any kind of reward for any of them.
Better overall gameplay? That always good! Now let's do the exact opposite of what a competent game developing company would do and make 90% of the story missions exactly the same and incredibly boring instead of making them more varied and fun.
I know this may seem like a lot but after that much hype getting such a crappy end result is unacceptable. Hell these aren't even half of my complaints.
Yeah, its because it is over-rated. Its not a bad game, just over-rated. Its not as good as people make it out to be. But, then again, people like different things. Lots of people will hate something that you like, and you can't do anything but call them names. Like me. I love Oblivion, if its not obvious, and I believe that anyone who says it sucks is a stupid head. Same with people who hate Oblivion and love Fallout 3. But, the point is, there will always be haters. Best to just mellow out and play a game that you like and fuck the peanut gallery.
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Firstly, why the fuck do you even care about reviews in the first place? I couldn't care less about the hype. I mean sure, I was hyped, but it wasn't cause of all those 10's. They just reinforced my belief that GTA IV couldn't suck, not that it was the best thing ever. You do understand 10's aren't perfect scores, nothing is. A 10 just means the reviewer liked the game a whole lot and couldn't find too many bad things about it.DrHoboPHD said:
Secondly, I liked the realistic shooting and health. It forced me to plan out in advance. To think! GTA IV is not the kind of game GTA 3, Vice City, and San Andreas were. And frankly, I enjoy that. You're not a walking army and the cops won't ever have to call in the military just to bring you down. You have to really plan ahead. You have to plan where you're going to carry out your rampage, you need to plan an escape, preferably a helicopter, and you need to plan at least 1 fallback point that you can go to if you get overwhelmed. Try going into freemode in multiplayer, going to the top of the hospital with the metal stairs going up to the roof. Then get someone to fly a helicopter to the roof so you can escape if you get overwhelmed. Stock up on weapons, take cover, and then have someone run down the stairs and start killing stuff to attract the cops. Have the guy run up the stairs, then start butchering all the cops and swat as they run up. It's WAY more fun than in previous games because your experience depends on what you put into it. If you're able to kill a thousand cops, two hundred cop cars, fifty swat cars, 20 helicopters, and countless countless other law enforcement personnel and equipment, you get a greater sense of satisfaction than you would if it was just piss easy.
Thirdly, I love the graphics, I think the character models are ok, and I do love exploring the city. Just because it isn't colorful and unrealistic doesn't mean it isn't interesting. All the back alleys, all the little nooks and crannies, the streets, houses, hospitals, police stations, fire stations, etc...
Lastly, I have absolutely no fucking idea what the hell you are talking about! There are TONS of cool driving missions. TONS! And only 60% were repetitive; however, none were boring or dull.
Its because GTA games, as a rule, as about silly destruction. This one dissapointed. It's all 'realistic' and 'gritty.' People buy GTA to dress up as a pimp and shoot rockets at hookers.
GTA dropped the ball, and Saint's Row 2 jumped all over it.
GTA dropped the ball, and Saint's Row 2 jumped all over it.
Okay in reference to your crap about free mode, if I have to make up a plan ahead of time to do something like land on the roof of the hospital to rescue my friend, than it takes the fun out of it. Not to mention if you have to go to THAT much trouble just to make the game interesting, you need to find a better game.Eipok Kruden said:
Artificial difficulty is a bad thing, Niko's absurdly low health doesn't make you think it makes you go about the mission in a slow tedious way. I remember in one mission where I had to get onto a compound, I wanted to get over the wall in a way other than climbing over the front gate. I spent half an hour trying a dozen different ways, none of them worked. No amount of thinking is going to change the way you do missions, tedious artificial difficulty is not good.
I like how good the graphics are too, what I don't like are the fuck ugly characters. I don't care how much detail there is, if the details I'm forced to look at are of the stupid looking big nosed main character's fat Balkan ass then I'm not enjoying the view.
90% of the missions all followed the same boring formula.
A. Needlessly long and boring drive all the way from where you get the mission to the mission start.
B. Shooting segment that varies slightly in length
C. Car chase that is so scripted they could've made it a cutscene and the only difference would have been that people wouldn't get pissed off at how unforgiving they are.
D. run away from the police.
Oh sure some of the missions had those steps occur in a different order, some of them might have had a brief interlude in which you had to make another boring and unnecessary drive to a second locale, and some of them might have excluded one or two but in the end those four steps describe just about every mission in GTA4.
It was mildly fun the first damn time but when I was halfway through the game and realized they had all been virtually the same it got boring as hell. If it wasn't for the decent story I wouldn't have been able to force myself to finish the damn game.