Why do people that watch anime and read manga in the western world believe that being an otaku.

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Jonesy911

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In Japan everyone hates Otakus.
Western people picked up on the word before understanding its whole meaning. In my eyes an Otaku is a greasy, cat-girl obssesed, hentai watching, pvc figurine worshipping loser. To other people it simply means "watches anime".
 

Xooiid

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Japan, at least throughout a good portion of it's history, was one of many countries that used a strict caste society, where people that were out of the loop, like ronin [wanderers] or otaku [obsessive] were considered bad to be around.

Even after World War II and the opening of outside influences, these stigmas stuck. People who got kicked from college to college, or wandering from job to job, are still called ronin as a play on the term, and people who obsess are called otaku.

In America we didn't have that caste system to begin with, and as we grew as a nation we became almost synonymous with 'Individualism'. To be different was the norm. To be rebellious made you desireable.

Being an otaku, an outcast, is a twisted and mutated form of this individualism. Being an otaku means that you watch different things than the usual nighttime dramas or western cartoons. It meant 'being' a part of a culture that, to many people, was alien and strange.

Tl:Dr, we like otakus because otakus are different.

I don't cosplay either, and I think Animaniacs beats the pants off DragonBall Z. I will chill with some Evangelion, though.

On another note, one of the earlier threads I was commenting on was closed. I wanted to see the poster's reaction to my comment. Though it was for the best, the people who were on the thread killed it with insults.
 

CommanderKirov

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If japaneese people would start jamming needles into their eyes injecting themselves with acid some of the more devoted japan-loving people would start doing the same just because of some sudo-belief that everything comming from there is good not understanding half of it.

And thusly the word Otaku was addapted and it's meaning absolutly twisted... Just like Saint Valentines day!
 

The Stonker

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No_Remainders said:
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I honestly have read the title of the thread like ten times.

It really doesn't make sense.
What about being an otaku?
Lol, read my 1st post.
But yeah, it's like English people would take ömmuriðlari as the new slang for hip and cool for their, gamers.
It means granny lover in English.
 

Shjade

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The Stonker said:
But yeah, it's like English people would take ömmuriðlari as the new slang for hip and cool for their, gamers.
It means granny lover in English.
Well, no, that's taking a word and making it relate to something it has no initial relation to, as opposed to taking a word that means a quality to an unappealing extreme and relating it to that same quality to lesser degrees.

It's more like taking ömmuriðlari as slang for people who are very socially conscious about respecting their elders, assuming that word means what you said it means.
 

The Stonker

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Shjade said:
The Stonker said:
But yeah, it's like English people would take ömmuriðlari as the new slang for hip and cool for their, gamers.
It means granny lover in English.
Well, no, that's taking a word and making it relate to something it has no initial relation to, as opposed to taking a word that means a quality to an unappealing extreme and relating it to that same quality to lesser degrees.

It's more like taking ömmuriðlari as slang for people who are very socially conscious about respecting their elders, assuming that word means what you said it means.
Oh sorry, it means granny fucker.
Yes, granny fucker.
I just used lover to be posh but I guess I have to be a bit crude now.
 

TheEnglishman

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Feels like a variant on Death of the Author (TVtrope it)

Basically who cares what it means in Japan, in the Western World it's a good thing. I'm sure the Japanese do things that they consider good while we consider odd.
 

TheYellowCellPhone

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It's funny, really, people taking pride in being called a word that translates to a basement dweller.

It's their love of Japan. If the word was German but had the same definition, of course they wouldn't use it.
 

Shjade

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The Stonker said:
Shjade said:
The Stonker said:
But yeah, it's like English people would take ömmuriðlari as the new slang for hip and cool for their, gamers.
It means granny lover in English.
Well, no, that's taking a word and making it relate to something it has no initial relation to, as opposed to taking a word that means a quality to an unappealing extreme and relating it to that same quality to lesser degrees.

It's more like taking ömmuriðlari as slang for people who are very socially conscious about respecting their elders, assuming that word means what you said it means.
Oh sorry, it means granny fucker.
Yes, granny fucker.
I just used lover to be posh but I guess I have to be a bit crude now.
And yet what I said is still true. Funny how that works.

The underlying point was that it's taking the extreme definition of a term and toning it down to be something positive, or at least neutral. It's not taking the term and completely redefining it, as in the case of taking "granny lover" and making it mean "hip and cool." The two are unrelated. "Obsessed with manga" and "likes manga" are related, just not equal in value.

Your example and subsequent misunderstanding of this explanation of what was wrong with the example leaves me with the distinct impression that your original question RE: Otaku and why it's used the way it is is unlikely to be answered to your satisfaction, in that you probably won't accept answers that differ from what you already believe.
 

Aureli

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I prefer to be called an otaku because the weaboos that overrun the anime club on my college campus are psychotic. Unlike them I can actually have an intelligent conversation about anime and manga, admit that Japan is not "TEH MOAST AWESUM PLAC EVAR!!!1!" and don't particularly mind if someone doesn't share the same views about anime and manga as I do. I also don't add random Japanese words to the end of my sentences, call things Kawaii, or call people Baka when I'm upset with them. Glomping my friends I fully admit to, but that's more because I'm an extremely loving person.

That's just me though. Usually I find misguided weaboos calling themselves Otaku. It makes me snicker to myself.
 

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DarthFennec said:
I was under the impression otaku was the Japanese word for `nerd' or `geek', which I think most of us are ... I don't think it has anything to do with being a moron, as OP suggests ...
It's more of a socially inept recluse. I would say that a "nerd" is more akin to an otaku than a geek since geeks know cultural trivia and go out more often.
 

similar.squirrel

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Same reason the Japanese seem to think that KFC and McDonalds are examples of fine-dining. Hilarious misinterpretation of another culture.