Same here, i wont buy anything they come out with until the DRM is take out, but I'm not about to go and break the lay to play the game. Pirates are the reason paying customers are treated like criminals, well that and retarded companys.SlainPwner666 said:
Why do people think it's ok to pirate games?
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That's exactly what I'm saying, I have to work hard to get what I want why should you be getting it for free, ether get a better job or get another hobby. I don't make enough money to fly my own plane or have fast cars like a few people in town do, but you know what I'm not about to go out and steal them so I can.KingTiger said:Correcto my wise friend. Same goes for the Malaysians and Indonesians I know.Hopeless Bastard said:
So you are saying because I am a poor Uni student who has no income and no rich parents, I should be deprived from games? The rich have fun and the poor must just sit in a corner, shut up and bore themselves to death I guess. I need an Arabian Robin hood for games >.>Cody211282 said:
I could get an AK-47 in Iraq or Yemen for 100 bucks and practice FPS in real life but its not as fun as COD/Bioshock 2/HL2....there is no respawn you know :/
EDIT: and its not stealingits copying...you dont steal a drawing of a camel if you just take a picture of it
Enlighten me dear sir, how do you study five subjects at university and WORK at the same time? I get back from Uni exhausted and looking for some stress relief.Cody211282 said:
I am applying for internship in a petroleum company but that would only pay 350 dollars a month. so a game would cost 1/4 of my salary wheeeeeee I love those game companies...A.K.A camel humpers X(
We are charged the same amount Americans are charged despite big economical difference!
and it isnt breaking the law as our laws dont outlaw piracy...Even the freakin government computers have pirated software here. I think I deserve affordable entertainment and I am sorry you feel this way.
Basically, people nowadays have little-to-no social conscience.
They take action to benefit themselves without thought for the wider consequences.
That being said, I have myself gone out and bought games that I have 'trialled' if they were good enough to warrant it.
See "Sins Of A Solar Empire". Good game.
They take action to benefit themselves without thought for the wider consequences.
That being said, I have myself gone out and bought games that I have 'trialled' if they were good enough to warrant it.
See "Sins Of A Solar Empire". Good game.
I pirate because my taste in games doesn't linearly follow the mainstream.
When I buy games, I often find I've wasted my money on something I consider to be an over-celebrated piece of trash. All the trailers and screenshots in the world will never give you a real idea of what a game is truly like.
For example, I thought Dragon Age was a deep, stinking well of shit. It's so vastly inferior to Baldur's Gate 2 that if it weren't for the (albeit mediocre) graphics I would have assumed the game was a backwater studio ripoff. Yet nine out of ten gamers would recommend it for reasons I will never understand. If I strictly followed the advice of critics and other gamers in general, I would have an empty wallet and nothing but shelves full of games that I thought were crap to show for it.
So I nick the very few high profile titles I think look interesting, play them through, and if I like a title enough to justify the $100-$120 AUD (yes, we pay nearly twice as much as americans, by the way) I go out and buy it in support of the developers, even if the casing will never be opened.
Basically what it boils down to is this: I'm not a gambler. I do not ever throw my hard earned money to chance. And I don't thinking buying media should be such a gamble. Pirating is not the perfect solution, but in the majority of cases it is the only one available.
When I buy games, I often find I've wasted my money on something I consider to be an over-celebrated piece of trash. All the trailers and screenshots in the world will never give you a real idea of what a game is truly like.
For example, I thought Dragon Age was a deep, stinking well of shit. It's so vastly inferior to Baldur's Gate 2 that if it weren't for the (albeit mediocre) graphics I would have assumed the game was a backwater studio ripoff. Yet nine out of ten gamers would recommend it for reasons I will never understand. If I strictly followed the advice of critics and other gamers in general, I would have an empty wallet and nothing but shelves full of games that I thought were crap to show for it.
So I nick the very few high profile titles I think look interesting, play them through, and if I like a title enough to justify the $100-$120 AUD (yes, we pay nearly twice as much as americans, by the way) I go out and buy it in support of the developers, even if the casing will never be opened.
Basically what it boils down to is this: I'm not a gambler. I do not ever throw my hard earned money to chance. And I don't thinking buying media should be such a gamble. Pirating is not the perfect solution, but in the majority of cases it is the only one available.
Pirating a game is not always a lost sale for the developers. No matter how much you like to think it is, it's not.
Demand for a product is only when there's people who are willing to buy it AND have the means to do so. Not just because they want it.
For example: I want a Mercedes, but when the company producing those cars work out the demand level for their product, I don't count as a potential sale. Why? Because, as much as I want that car, I don't have the means to buy it. Even if I did have the means to buy it, I wouldn't be willing to buy it because I can't use it until I pass my driving test, which I can't possibly do for another year-ish. Therefore, I am not a lost sale for the producers.
Same principle applies to games. Someone who does not have enough money to buy the game doesn't count as a lost sale because they don't have the means to buy it. Therefore, they'll go download it from a torrent website or whatever. The company loses no money, technically, because if that person couldn't pirate it, they wouldn't be able to get the game anyway.
So you can cry about developers losing money until the eagles choke but technically they lose no sales to people who can't afford the game anyway.
That said, it's technically still stealing if someone who wants the game and CAN afford to buy it, chooses to pirate it. If I wanted to get, say, Mass Effect 2 on PC, I could go onto a torrent website and get it within the hour thanks to my handy-dandy internet connection. But right now, I have my bank card in my hand which allows me access to enough cash to buy the game 10 times over. Since I have the means to buy the game, and I want the game, me pirating the game would be a lost sale.
Demand for a product is only when there's people who are willing to buy it AND have the means to do so. Not just because they want it.
For example: I want a Mercedes, but when the company producing those cars work out the demand level for their product, I don't count as a potential sale. Why? Because, as much as I want that car, I don't have the means to buy it. Even if I did have the means to buy it, I wouldn't be willing to buy it because I can't use it until I pass my driving test, which I can't possibly do for another year-ish. Therefore, I am not a lost sale for the producers.
Same principle applies to games. Someone who does not have enough money to buy the game doesn't count as a lost sale because they don't have the means to buy it. Therefore, they'll go download it from a torrent website or whatever. The company loses no money, technically, because if that person couldn't pirate it, they wouldn't be able to get the game anyway.
So you can cry about developers losing money until the eagles choke but technically they lose no sales to people who can't afford the game anyway.
That said, it's technically still stealing if someone who wants the game and CAN afford to buy it, chooses to pirate it. If I wanted to get, say, Mass Effect 2 on PC, I could go onto a torrent website and get it within the hour thanks to my handy-dandy internet connection. But right now, I have my bank card in my hand which allows me access to enough cash to buy the game 10 times over. Since I have the means to buy the game, and I want the game, me pirating the game would be a lost sale.
If I were a pirate, I would only pirate games I would not buy anyway (like Mirrors Edge, out of curiousity), and buy games I am willing to buy, that way I would not be denying anyone any profits they wouldn't be getting anyway.
Although, this all hypothetical...of course
Although, this all hypothetical...of course
The real reason is because they can get away with it and benefit.
There are 2 arguments that are almost reasonable. There not reasonable, but they are close. The first is perceived slights by the game industry. people feel exploited, and that justifies piracy. Now many times, the pirates find something to feel exploited over, and then use that as justification, but that's besides the point.
The second reason is explained here.
http://xelipe.tumblr.com/post/47807318/file-sharing-is-not-piracy-piracy-is-stealing
This one almost holds water. The idea is that stealing requires the removal of the original copy, and bad copyright infringement sells a copy for profit, competing with the original. But piracy is a victimless crime, since it doesn't take a physical copy, and doesn't get done for a profit. Of course, they fail to acknowledge the fact that who the hell cares about a physical copy, you are getting the game without paying, and the person who made the game and needs to sell it for there livelihood is not getting paid for there service. Game Design is, at this point in time, a service, not a product. The developers make and distribute the game, the physical product is just an unfortunately necessary medium through which the service operates. You might as well find a game pirater who is a barber, get him to cut your hair, then run out of the shop before paying yelling, "Im not stealing your customers, and I didn't steal your scissors, you have nothing on me!" No, dick, they did a service which benefited you with the expectation that they would be compensated for there work, and you bailed out.
There are 2 arguments that are almost reasonable. There not reasonable, but they are close. The first is perceived slights by the game industry. people feel exploited, and that justifies piracy. Now many times, the pirates find something to feel exploited over, and then use that as justification, but that's besides the point.
The second reason is explained here.
http://xelipe.tumblr.com/post/47807318/file-sharing-is-not-piracy-piracy-is-stealing
This one almost holds water. The idea is that stealing requires the removal of the original copy, and bad copyright infringement sells a copy for profit, competing with the original. But piracy is a victimless crime, since it doesn't take a physical copy, and doesn't get done for a profit. Of course, they fail to acknowledge the fact that who the hell cares about a physical copy, you are getting the game without paying, and the person who made the game and needs to sell it for there livelihood is not getting paid for there service. Game Design is, at this point in time, a service, not a product. The developers make and distribute the game, the physical product is just an unfortunately necessary medium through which the service operates. You might as well find a game pirater who is a barber, get him to cut your hair, then run out of the shop before paying yelling, "Im not stealing your customers, and I didn't steal your scissors, you have nothing on me!" No, dick, they did a service which benefited you with the expectation that they would be compensated for there work, and you bailed out.
Really I have plenty of friends taking 18 credits and have a full time job, they need it to pay for school, mind you they don't game because they don't have the time, I have just a small amount of time for games each week and with school ending I'll have more after that.KingTiger said:
I'm sorry you don't make that much money, but then again to bad, you want affordable entertainment do what I did growing up, live with a small black and white TV and get basic channels, play cards or board games, go for a run, play frisbee, start writing or coding your own games to play or do you just want a certain type of entertainment because you think you some how deserve it?
It's an entitlement thing. People think they're entitled to have whatever they want, whenever they want, however they want, and since piracy is (let's face it) easy to do and fairly hard to trace, people are more willing to do it. The fact that it looks like a victimless crime when you don't think about it much only makes it more appealing.
Honestly, at the risk of (a) getting on an annoying soapbox tirade (sorry in advance) and (b) getting a lot of angry responses (please don't do that), I find the social acceptance of piracy (which is thievery, let's not split hairs) distressing.
Honestly, at the risk of (a) getting on an annoying soapbox tirade (sorry in advance) and (b) getting a lot of angry responses (please don't do that), I find the social acceptance of piracy (which is thievery, let's not split hairs) distressing.
With your car reference the pirate would go out and take a car anyway and drive it even though they didn't buy it thus they are not entitled to it, and the fact that they think they are is rather insulting to people who work hard to be able to buy something.Dahni said:
Me to I find that the fact people are willing to take something they didn't buy then say they derisive it is showing the lack of any morals or ethics they have. Some people think just because they are alive they deserve everything they want and that's just not how it works, you have to pay for it. I think people pirating are just as bad as your common thief holing up and bank or gas station.Regiment said:
How is researching a product going to make you aware of bugs when it's only just been released?almostgold said:
Other games provide demos, so why not them? Are they not proud enough of their games to let us try before we buy?
How is researching a product going to accurately portray if you will like the product or get your monies worth when everyone's opinion and expectations are different?
Hence, it's debatable the smarter consumer will find a cheap, if not, free way of trying a game before buying.
Some people seriously are planning on buying the game but want a "demo", and sometimes the games have become rare with age and people just don't want to search.
I mean, some people just don't want to pay/ cannot pay for games, but the first two reasons are the closest to a legitimate excuse for piracy I could think of.
I mean, some people just don't want to pay/ cannot pay for games, but the first two reasons are the closest to a legitimate excuse for piracy I could think of.
My thoughts are one or a combination of the list:
1. They don't have the money
2. They don't want to spend money
3. They want to test the game
4. The game is no longer sold in their local game stores
5. They aren't allowed to get the game (may it be age or parental restrictions)
6. They don't feel like, or can, go to a video game store or buy it from Steam
It makes sense too, since it's harder to be caught pirating games.
I don't pirate games, by the way.
1. They don't have the money
2. They don't want to spend money
3. They want to test the game
4. The game is no longer sold in their local game stores
5. They aren't allowed to get the game (may it be age or parental restrictions)
6. They don't feel like, or can, go to a video game store or buy it from Steam
It makes sense too, since it's harder to be caught pirating games.
I don't pirate games, by the way.