Why do people think it's ok to pirate games?
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I'll admit i have pirated games before HOWEVER they have only been games that i've paid for in the past that have then been lost due to computer change overs or the loss of a disc, i believe if i have already paid for it then i am well within my rights to pirate it in order to get it back.
I once downloaded a pirate of a game to double check that i definately wanted to buy it, after having played the pirated copy i went out and bought the real deal.
I guess i use pirated games as a way of making sure im not going to waste my money.
I once downloaded a pirate of a game to double check that i definately wanted to buy it, after having played the pirated copy i went out and bought the real deal.
I guess i use pirated games as a way of making sure im not going to waste my money.
If the developer is notoriously unreliable to the point where the released screenshots are all pictures of their desktops with willies drawn on it, and a pricetag at 899,999,999,999.99 some cynical souls might think it is wiser to have a look at the product before opening their wallet.
Not me though.
Others might be bugged by games installing rootkits and self-desctructing your hard-drive if you lose your internet connection.
I'm not - I really dig that stuff.
Finally some people just don't want to pay. Not a very good idea if you want to keep the industry going.
Polarizing games are probably the most sensible one. If communities are split 50/50 between loving and loathing something one can understand that souls with the technical skills might be persuaded to trying out the game to see if it's going to be a sound addition to the entertainment library or something that will sit next to the Duke Nukem Forever reservation ticket.
Though if someone does think like this, I'd recommend watching a let's play of the game. Same goes for older and more obscure games, it's basicly someone else playing the game on screen. Gives you a better idea of what the games are like than a demo or a review.
Not me though.
Others might be bugged by games installing rootkits and self-desctructing your hard-drive if you lose your internet connection.
I'm not - I really dig that stuff.
Finally some people just don't want to pay. Not a very good idea if you want to keep the industry going.
Polarizing games are probably the most sensible one. If communities are split 50/50 between loving and loathing something one can understand that souls with the technical skills might be persuaded to trying out the game to see if it's going to be a sound addition to the entertainment library or something that will sit next to the Duke Nukem Forever reservation ticket.
Though if someone does think like this, I'd recommend watching a let's play of the game. Same goes for older and more obscure games, it's basicly someone else playing the game on screen. Gives you a better idea of what the games are like than a demo or a review.
It's a talent I picked up from games, find the glowing weak spot and hit it until it dies, also I would just be stating what I already have before but I will again.Dahni said:
Lost sale or not the person now has something they didn't pay for, they stole a copy thus they don't deserve to have it, gaming isn't a right, it's not something you entitled to, it's something you do for fun to pass the time, and if you don't have the money to buy the game then you should get a better job or take up another hobby, as I said before as much as I like fast cars I don't have enough money for any, and that doesn't mean I can just take a car and go joyriding anyway.
I'll be honest in this, I have downloaded a few pirated games,. the reason I done it is because:
1. Demo's suck balls and pretty much cut out everything of interest in the game giving you next to little decent experience to get interested in the game.
2. Paying £50 for a damn game is just wrong, especially one that consists of approximately 6 hours of gameplay!
If I find the game to be worth while yeh, I'll go out and buy the actual game.
One example being Spore, I downloaded it and gave it a try, quite frankly, up until Space Stage was fine. But after that it was just continuous attacks by pirates and those damn other aliens. (On average there was an attack on one of my planets every 38 seconds. Not fun.) It became tiresome and quite frankly I didn't want 4GB of bullshit cluttering my hard disk. (Though on a related note I went and brought a second hand copy from a local GAME store, can't use the god forsaken code online but what the hell.)
1. Demo's suck balls and pretty much cut out everything of interest in the game giving you next to little decent experience to get interested in the game.
2. Paying £50 for a damn game is just wrong, especially one that consists of approximately 6 hours of gameplay!
If I find the game to be worth while yeh, I'll go out and buy the actual game.
One example being Spore, I downloaded it and gave it a try, quite frankly, up until Space Stage was fine. But after that it was just continuous attacks by pirates and those damn other aliens. (On average there was an attack on one of my planets every 38 seconds. Not fun.) It became tiresome and quite frankly I didn't want 4GB of bullshit cluttering my hard disk. (Though on a related note I went and brought a second hand copy from a local GAME store, can't use the god forsaken code online but what the hell.)
i dont pirate games.
i play free ones (some people make games that are free higher quality than most pay-for games)
the thing though is that pirating hurts my fellow man and my fellow man can go fuck himself.
i play free ones (some people make games that are free higher quality than most pay-for games)
the thing though is that pirating hurts my fellow man and my fellow man can go fuck himself.
i guess ill go with this, whenever i do pirate it is because of this, i would buy the games i like after having pirated them but for example i checked out the new c&c like this and total war napoleon and that alone saved me near a hundred euros playing games for 1-2 days max that i would have not ever paid for if i had know that was all there was too them, minus multiplayeraps1984 said:
For your first 2 I would say just don't buy the game then, it's a rather easy solution.Tarrok said:
As for the polarizing games that just means the person will have to spend more time researching before they buy it, something I do to almost every game, and know that in the end it's a gamble and that's the chance you take.
OH HERRO AGAIN! And I'm just gonna say this once more (okay I will say it many more times) but there's no such thing as good and evil, everything is opinion, so there ya goCody211282 said:
I've got an SNES emulator because I don't want to put in the effort to buy one and then buy games that might not work for the 20 something year old system. With an emulator, short of a file corruption or an emulator error, it'll work for as long as you need it to. And there's save states. But I don't emulate or pirate new games. Basically, I would only download a ROM if the game is wicked old and there would be no real way for the game company to make any money off of my hypothetical purchase, seeing as I'd probably have to buy it used, thereby nullifying the argument IN THIS CASE for buying games to stimulate the production of similar content.
The issue of downloading software isn't nearly as black and white as people make it out to be. The free availability of downloads for games, both old and new, brings goods and bad things along with it.
There ARE people who download everything and feel that they shouldn't have to pay at all. These people do deprive developers of money, and there isn't any skirting around that issue.
But there are also people who use downloading as a screening process. If the game is good, they pay for it. If it's not, they uninstall it and forget about it. There's also free publicity involved. Word of mouth is a powerful thing, especially among people who share interests. If I buy a game, and tell my friends it's good, they usually buy it, and vice versa.
The thing that puzzles me about the piracy debate, though, is why people lay down a blanket defense that paints publishers and developers as these angelic innocents victimized by the evil, evil pirates.
Bad games, made by bad developers, SHOULD fail. Publishers that are unethical dicks SHOULD be punished (here's looking at you, Activision). As morally questionable as piracy is, it's helping preserve a little of the accountability that seems to slowly be disappearing from mainstream media.
There ARE people who download everything and feel that they shouldn't have to pay at all. These people do deprive developers of money, and there isn't any skirting around that issue.
But there are also people who use downloading as a screening process. If the game is good, they pay for it. If it's not, they uninstall it and forget about it. There's also free publicity involved. Word of mouth is a powerful thing, especially among people who share interests. If I buy a game, and tell my friends it's good, they usually buy it, and vice versa.
The thing that puzzles me about the piracy debate, though, is why people lay down a blanket defense that paints publishers and developers as these angelic innocents victimized by the evil, evil pirates.
Bad games, made by bad developers, SHOULD fail. Publishers that are unethical dicks SHOULD be punished (here's looking at you, Activision). As morally questionable as piracy is, it's helping preserve a little of the accountability that seems to slowly be disappearing from mainstream media.
Now adays with DRM its getting to the point where you need to pirate a game just to play a decent version of it without the stupid effects. Or get it on console
I don't pirate as to me its stealing either way, with the only allowance being if the game is no longer for sale or (very rarely) to demo the game if none exist.
I don't pirate as to me its stealing either way, with the only allowance being if the game is no longer for sale or (very rarely) to demo the game if none exist.
While I'll agree that they have no right to the game, the rest I'll discuss.Cody211282 said:
You are assuming that the law is absolute and correct in all things. It isn't, hasn't been and likely never will be.
You are also assuming that "getting a better job and improving your living situation" is an easy thing to do. Again, it isn't.
Having money doesn't mean deserving. How is any child that is bought something by their parents, or buys something with money gotten from their parents, deserving of what they get? I know some royal cunts that have money coming out their arse, while some pure legends have very little.
Also, while I'm not saying that this is true for @KingTiger, someone who has a lower standard of living surely needs the entertainment more than those who have money to burn, and therefore it'd be morally wrong of us to deny them their pirating of games which, as I said in my previous post, makes absolutely no difference to the producer of the game, or anyone at all.
This is all in reference to those that can't afford the games. For those that can and still pirate, I have no respect for and feel that they should be held accountable for their actions.
Edit: I've bungled the quotes somehow, I think it's sorted but pshhh.
sadly I think so, But I have read that if you own the game then its ok to keep one as backup and if you don't you have 24 hours to get it off your computer.Strykz said:
Yes there is stealing something that is not yours is evil, killing in cold blood is evil, saying that there is nothing that is evil is just an excuse to make it so you sleep better at night.Quiet Stranger said:
Most games are shit and not worth the money it costs to buy them, especially here in Australia where any new game will cost you $100. For me it's not a case of not having the money, it's a case of not being prepared to pay for all the crap that gets released. I'm a jaded gamer, I'm very picky and my tastes are very different to most other peoples these days. Reviews are usually not enough for me to really know if I'm going to like something, demo's are too short (games often take a turn for the worst or become very repetitive but not until 4 or 5 hours in, eg. Just Cause 2) and other gamers tastes are so varied and subjective that listening to other people is pointless.
So I pirate almost everything I'm interested in at first, unless I'm almost certain I'm going to love something, In which case I will buy straight away (eg Mass Effect 2). Any game I pirate, play through and consider to be a great game that I want to add to my collection, I then buy. Any game that isn't worth paying for or adding to my collection I don't buy. I own over 100 games, probably more than most of you console gamers who trade in all their games once they've done in an effort to get cheaper prices (PC gamers cannot do this), and I pay full price for all the games I own which are mostly excellent purchases that I can play again and again.
I understand why piracy is illegal and I understand that a lot of people just pirate everything and don't give a damn about game developers. I am not one of those people, I support developers who deserve my support.
I also argued in a different thread a while back about how developers have been getting MORE of my money since I began pirating, and none of these anti-piracy people could think of any retort to show me how I'm wrong. So I'll say it again: Before I discovered piracy, I only bought the games that I was fairly sure I would enjoy (which was perhaps one game every 2 or 3 months) due to not wanting to spend money on something which might have been crap. These days, thanks to piracy, I TRY a lot more games which I am unsure about and DISCOVER them to be great games; at which point I then buy them. Doubling and at times even tripling the rate in which I buy games. So since I started pirating I've actually bought a lot more games. Ironic huh?
Piracy is a big grey area, I understand why developers don't want it to exist (obviously), and I understand why it's illegal and why some people hate it. But there are too many variables to say its always wrong, and you have to think about these variables before just blinding saying something is wrong just because its illegal. I turn my nose up at people who just pirate everything without any care for the devs, but in some cases piracy really isn't so bad, and different people do it for very different reasons.
Finally, copying is not the same as stealing, so piracy isn't theft; it's also not morally in the same league as theft once you consider all the variables. It's copyright infringement, not theft.
So I pirate almost everything I'm interested in at first, unless I'm almost certain I'm going to love something, In which case I will buy straight away (eg Mass Effect 2). Any game I pirate, play through and consider to be a great game that I want to add to my collection, I then buy. Any game that isn't worth paying for or adding to my collection I don't buy. I own over 100 games, probably more than most of you console gamers who trade in all their games once they've done in an effort to get cheaper prices (PC gamers cannot do this), and I pay full price for all the games I own which are mostly excellent purchases that I can play again and again.
I understand why piracy is illegal and I understand that a lot of people just pirate everything and don't give a damn about game developers. I am not one of those people, I support developers who deserve my support.
I also argued in a different thread a while back about how developers have been getting MORE of my money since I began pirating, and none of these anti-piracy people could think of any retort to show me how I'm wrong. So I'll say it again: Before I discovered piracy, I only bought the games that I was fairly sure I would enjoy (which was perhaps one game every 2 or 3 months) due to not wanting to spend money on something which might have been crap. These days, thanks to piracy, I TRY a lot more games which I am unsure about and DISCOVER them to be great games; at which point I then buy them. Doubling and at times even tripling the rate in which I buy games. So since I started pirating I've actually bought a lot more games. Ironic huh?
Piracy is a big grey area, I understand why developers don't want it to exist (obviously), and I understand why it's illegal and why some people hate it. But there are too many variables to say its always wrong, and you have to think about these variables before just blinding saying something is wrong just because its illegal. I turn my nose up at people who just pirate everything without any care for the devs, but in some cases piracy really isn't so bad, and different people do it for very different reasons.
Finally, copying is not the same as stealing, so piracy isn't theft; it's also not morally in the same league as theft once you consider all the variables. It's copyright infringement, not theft.