Why do people want to be immortal?
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Immortality is worse than death...
1. When you're immortal, humanity will continue to evolve, while you stay the way you are. Give or take a few million years you will become a freak.
2. NOBODY must find out, lest you be subject to properly inhumane treatment. Take a guess at which governments would want to harness the power of immortality.
3. You will go freaking insane... Assuming by immortality you mean that you can't get sick either, so Alzheimer's or dementia would not be a factor, but you will still go insane. You will have infinite lifetimes of experiences and boundless knowledge. Your brain (as amazing as it will be) Won't cope, and will break down. So when you wish for immortality, better wish for a super brain too.
4. Everyone you will ever, or have loved will die. So you can't get attracted to anything, and I mean anything. Over a period of millions or billions of years, the things you love will decay and become lost.
5. You'll eventually get trapped somewhere. Picture it, you fall down a well. That's it. You are now down there for x amount of minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, years, decades, centuries, you name it. You may get found, but this is a short sighted view. Think of this... Humanity has gained the technology to space travel. You are in a ship, it explodes, you will be cascaded out into the blackness of space. What the shit do you do then? Wait millions of years until a astral bodies gravitational field picks you up? Then what? You're stuck on a rock that probably is inhospitable to 100% of life. Great, enjoy your immortality great insane freak sage hermit of a small rock in the outer rim. You can spend your days training small monkey boy space travelers that happen to pick up your life signs Karate.
There is no 'if' that all this will happen, because it will happen. It's the science of probability. When you have an infinite lifespan, infinite numbers of things can happen. Can you guys really handle that?
1. When you're immortal, humanity will continue to evolve, while you stay the way you are. Give or take a few million years you will become a freak.
2. NOBODY must find out, lest you be subject to properly inhumane treatment. Take a guess at which governments would want to harness the power of immortality.
3. You will go freaking insane... Assuming by immortality you mean that you can't get sick either, so Alzheimer's or dementia would not be a factor, but you will still go insane. You will have infinite lifetimes of experiences and boundless knowledge. Your brain (as amazing as it will be) Won't cope, and will break down. So when you wish for immortality, better wish for a super brain too.
4. Everyone you will ever, or have loved will die. So you can't get attracted to anything, and I mean anything. Over a period of millions or billions of years, the things you love will decay and become lost.
5. You'll eventually get trapped somewhere. Picture it, you fall down a well. That's it. You are now down there for x amount of minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, years, decades, centuries, you name it. You may get found, but this is a short sighted view. Think of this... Humanity has gained the technology to space travel. You are in a ship, it explodes, you will be cascaded out into the blackness of space. What the shit do you do then? Wait millions of years until a astral bodies gravitational field picks you up? Then what? You're stuck on a rock that probably is inhospitable to 100% of life. Great, enjoy your immortality great insane freak sage hermit of a small rock in the outer rim. You can spend your days training small monkey boy space travelers that happen to pick up your life signs Karate.
There is no 'if' that all this will happen, because it will happen. It's the science of probability. When you have an infinite lifespan, infinite numbers of things can happen. Can you guys really handle that?
You say that now, but wait when you're on your death bed, and someone gives you the option to live for just a little longer, no strings attached. You will always pick the "live a little longer" option, and then you'll pick it again, and again, and again.
Of course watching the sun die would suck. Then you would hop in a spaceship and fly off to another planet. You're immortal, so the travel time isn't really a huge problem.
Plus, I don't see us ever developing Wolverine's healing factor. So don't worry, you won't be floating in space.
Of course watching the sun die would suck. Then you would hop in a spaceship and fly off to another planet. You're immortal, so the travel time isn't really a huge problem.
Plus, I don't see us ever developing Wolverine's healing factor. So don't worry, you won't be floating in space.
Being immortal would be great because it would, in my interpretation of it, mean freedom from disease, aging and physical ailments.
However that's merely the practical level. Metaphysically, the mental effects would be incalculable. Our entire system of thought is based around a finite existence. The meaning of everything would fundamentally be altered. People are only opposed to immortality because they're looking at it from a mortal point of view. It's a hypothetical circumstance that's impossible to evaluate in any meaningful way.
However that's merely the practical level. Metaphysically, the mental effects would be incalculable. Our entire system of thought is based around a finite existence. The meaning of everything would fundamentally be altered. People are only opposed to immortality because they're looking at it from a mortal point of view. It's a hypothetical circumstance that's impossible to evaluate in any meaningful way.
questionlionrwal said:
the suns not really in danger of esploding anytime soon, like a LONG freaking time in the future.
so .....
who says we'll still be on this rock, or even in this solar system by then? cause, I'll remind you of how far we've come technologically in the last 100 years. give us another 100,
see how far things are along then.OT: I'd wanna be immortal (in the sence 'time' can't kill me, but some jerk off with a gun or knife could) just to see where we end up going. i mean, really, look how far we've advanced in the last 100 years, TELL me you wouldn't wanna see where we'd end up going
Immortallity falls through for me for two reasons.
1. My loved ones would all die.
2. What if I was horribly injured to the point of severely handicapped and had to live forever like that? Suicide wouldn't even be an option because i would be immortal, only crappily so.
1. My loved ones would all die.
2. What if I was horribly injured to the point of severely handicapped and had to live forever like that? Suicide wouldn't even be an option because i would be immortal, only crappily so.
What say I? You're trolling. With the stipulations you've added to your state of immortality, you CAN NOT be immortal. You say that all the damage that would be rendered to a normal human still applies. Meaning that "experiencing the pain of the Earth being engulfed by the Sun" would not happen. You would be utterly annihilated, and nothing would be left of your being. You're dead. Even if you survived the Sun's supernova, the force would blast you out into the depths of space, where you would be ravaged and destroyed by absolute zero temperatures and the vacuum of space.lionrwal said:
Don't reply with the "all that would happen but you'd still be alive" nonsense you give to others. What would you be? A disembodied consciousness? Impossible. You use laws of science to aid your argument, well you need a physical brain to think and to "be". So no, you're just dead by your own logic.
The reason people associate immortality with invulnerability is because if you can still take damage, then you can still, at some point, be completely and utterly destroyed, rendering you dead in all respects. Thus defying the original definition of immortal, which makes you unable to die by any means or methods at all.
The term you seek regarding never aging or dying as a result of such, but can still take damage and be externally killed, is called Ageless.
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I have to admit, I'm just far too bright-eyed and naive to accept that I'd be alone. I don't really buy into the Time Machine style of human life just dying out before we can get a foothold in the cosmos (why yes, I am also naive enough to believe that permanant space colonies are possible).
So long as our increasingly speedy development continues at this accelerating pace, I foresee us finally poking our beaks out of this little eggshell we call a planet. The Earth is going to last a long time... but not forever. Even some sort of unimaginably massive rig to move Earth away from the Sun as it expands wouldn't be a permanent solution.
I can't wait to find out what's been discovered or invented day-to-day. That's not forgetting my fear of no life after death, or stubborn desire to out-do everyone else including my friends and family.
So long as our increasingly speedy development continues at this accelerating pace, I foresee us finally poking our beaks out of this little eggshell we call a planet. The Earth is going to last a long time... but not forever. Even some sort of unimaginably massive rig to move Earth away from the Sun as it expands wouldn't be a permanent solution.
I can't wait to find out what's been discovered or invented day-to-day. That's not forgetting my fear of no life after death, or stubborn desire to out-do everyone else including my friends and family.
I like the idea of the In Time version of immortality. You stop aging at 25 and don't get diseases or anything like that and as long as you have time you continue living but you can be killed. I'd feel pretty awful though knowing that hundreds of people are dying so I could keep living and life would be so boring if everyone's being super safe. Your version of immortality isn't appealing at all though. I'd hate to see everyone I love die and you would get to the point where you don't remember anything so what's the point in living anymore.
Can you name 3 other reasons why immortality would suck? Seeing everyone you love die would be sad, but its possible you'll outlive everyone even without being immortal.lionrwal said:
As for the rest of your points, let me put it this way. Short of a mass extermination event by some vastly superior species (and maybe not even then) there is no way that the human race will likely ever go extinct. Humans are very intelligent as a whole and even more so when our asses are on the line, its what let us rise up to be dominant over everything on this planet. I can promise you this. If scientists discover that a meteor is going to blow up the Earth in 10 years, we'll have a settlement on the moon by then.
Immortality is awesome. I would use it to conquer the world, the universe and eventually time. And make love to MANY beautiful ladies.
I wouldn't want to be immortal, just difficult to kill. I don't want to die before my time is up but immortality is a horrible idea. Your mind and body would deteriorate over time, you'd watch love ones die around you, and eventually you would start to lose who you were. So, no thank you.
Thats a very very specific ending you have there. By the time that happens if I was immortal I could quite easily own a spaceship made from the rarest materials that exist, and just play games for eternity. Since you know, if you are immortal there would be ways to arrange getting anything you want.lionrwal said:
Ignoring that, your version of immortality doesnt work. You say that if you cut off an arm you still survive. So what if I cut my head off? Or shread my brain into a thousand peices. By your definition I would still be "alive" despite the possibility that no singular part of my body possessing any abiity to have consciousness. That also brings up many identity problems that I cant be bothered working out, since I did them for a year at uni.
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