Why do rpgs hate the 360???
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People don't understand you because you're not doing a very good job of communicating. You're not using complete sentences or punctuation. I don't mean to be insulting, but is English your first language? If so, you can surely do a better job of getting your point across.Suprised-Pig said:
If you think the Kingdom Hearts series is the "best" RPG, then great. You should be well pleased that there will be KH games on the PS3. There are many excellent RPGs on the 360 - if you only consider three of them to be any good, that's once again just a matter of your personal taste, not a fact of life. The PS3 also has Valkyria Chronicles and Folklore (both exclusives), as well as a number of other RPGs (Eternal Sonata, Enchanted Arms, Fallout, Oblivion, Disgaea 3, etc.). So it seems as though your issue isn't that there are no RPGs, but rather none of the RPGs that you personally like.
Umm...Yeah.Suprised-Pig said:
And by the way, there is no "2 or 3 Kingdom Hearts 3 but all for ps3 and PSP u think".
There are 2 (3, if you count Coded) Kingdom Hearts games coming out, one for the Nintendo DS and one for the PSP.
And it's an opinion. There are RPGs like Lost Odyssey, Mass Effect, The Last Remnant etc on the Xbox 360.
Maybe I read too much of these boards when I'm bored but I've seen too many 360 fanboys gloating about Fallout 3(60) DLC and Mass Effect to take this seriously.
The PS3 can take all of the turn based japanese kawaii puke-fests.
A game has to have a fan-fucking-tastic story and setting for me to forgive the gameplay. Septerra Core and Sanitarium are my examples of passable games that don't really have good games.
(Why do the japanese have such an unhealthy fascination with five year old sorceress', catgirls, and boobs the size of fucking beach balls?)
A game has to have a fan-fucking-tastic story and setting for me to forgive the gameplay. Septerra Core and Sanitarium are my examples of passable games that don't really have good games.
(Why do the japanese have such an unhealthy fascination with five year old sorceress', catgirls, and boobs the size of fucking beach balls?)
I actually think that the normal Final Fantasy XIII will be the terrible one and Versus will be the decent one (at least it has potential).Ghostwise said:
Oh and I think that the PS2 still dominates the JRPG market everywhere. The best ones are for that console.
Understand something, last time I heard Square-Enix had a lot of it's stock owned by Sony. Not a majority, but a lot. This means that by definition they are going to favor Sony in all things. The "big" news that there was going to be a Final Fantasy game for the 360 being an oddity for this reason, however we also don't know exactly how much money Micro$oft wound up offering Square-Enix for that little concession, but going by the GTA IV exclusive content it was probably a crazy amount. As Sony doesn't own them/have a majority they can be overruled, they just get to have a (very substantial) opinion. The same also allegedly applies to a lot of other Japanese game developers. Even if it doesn't own everything Sony is like an octopus with it's tentecles in many pies. 
It should also be noted that creating RPGs well is a lot of hard work, in comparison the types of games produced for the 360, even the "triple A" titles are a giant joke. The reason for this is that with your typical RPG they develop what amounts to a new engine from scratch. No "Final Fantasy" game plays exactly like another (or at least recently) for example. In comparison a lot of the games released for the 360 wind up using things like the Unreal, or GRAW engine which provides all the hard work, and then they just add new tweaks, graphics, and animation. Now graphics and animation are hard work, but not as much as doing everything from scratch.
In comparison RPGs also usually need MORE models and such than a comparitive action game to fill out a RPG bestiary, even when they rely on color changes of the same models at various levels. In your typical 360 shooter having maybe 15 differant opponent models (not counting bosses) is sufficient.
Basically RPGs don't really fit with Microsoft's marketing strategy, being too expensive to reliably produce. Even a mostly 2D RPG (like Disgaea) has a staggering amount of coding and art production behind it compared to what your typical game producer does when they buy the rights to an engine.
That is how I understand things.
Consider also that while Microsoft was focusing on the 360, Sony was investing it's money in winning the war for next gen video formats. It's only been turning it's attention back to the PS-3 now that it's won and Blu-Ray is the new standard. Their strategy is pretty much going to be the same as last time, and that is to cut the floor out from under Microsoft with a lot of original titles that don't just recycle the same engines. The result being you'll see exceptions, but the PS-3 is likely to have a stronger RPG line up.
The only way to stop this of course will be for Microsoft to encourage producers and such to start investing the $$$ to develop RPGs in similar numbers, but in general I don't think they are going to do so. As a result it will remain mostly a "twitch" platform with a few RPGs here and there.
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It should also be noted that creating RPGs well is a lot of hard work, in comparison the types of games produced for the 360, even the "triple A" titles are a giant joke. The reason for this is that with your typical RPG they develop what amounts to a new engine from scratch. No "Final Fantasy" game plays exactly like another (or at least recently) for example. In comparison a lot of the games released for the 360 wind up using things like the Unreal, or GRAW engine which provides all the hard work, and then they just add new tweaks, graphics, and animation. Now graphics and animation are hard work, but not as much as doing everything from scratch.
In comparison RPGs also usually need MORE models and such than a comparitive action game to fill out a RPG bestiary, even when they rely on color changes of the same models at various levels. In your typical 360 shooter having maybe 15 differant opponent models (not counting bosses) is sufficient.
Basically RPGs don't really fit with Microsoft's marketing strategy, being too expensive to reliably produce. Even a mostly 2D RPG (like Disgaea) has a staggering amount of coding and art production behind it compared to what your typical game producer does when they buy the rights to an engine.
That is how I understand things.
Consider also that while Microsoft was focusing on the 360, Sony was investing it's money in winning the war for next gen video formats. It's only been turning it's attention back to the PS-3 now that it's won and Blu-Ray is the new standard. Their strategy is pretty much going to be the same as last time, and that is to cut the floor out from under Microsoft with a lot of original titles that don't just recycle the same engines. The result being you'll see exceptions, but the PS-3 is likely to have a stronger RPG line up.
The only way to stop this of course will be for Microsoft to encourage producers and such to start investing the $$$ to develop RPGs in similar numbers, but in general I don't think they are going to do so. As a result it will remain mostly a "twitch" platform with a few RPGs here and there.
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No... But I can blame them for being hooting dick-holes to anybody that doesn't own the giant black monolithShibito091192 said:
*Translation*Suprised-Pig said:
Ok, the other day, I read that Square Enix is making something like Final Fantasy Versus XIII [I'm not too deep into FF, so I don't know if that is game title, or what]. but that it is only going to be on the Playstation 3. I got angry, but then I calmed down a bit.
Later on, I find out there is going to be 2 or 3 Kingdom Hearts 3 (as in, multiple versions, maybe?), but I think they are only going to be for the PS3 and the PSP.
So here's what I'm asking: Did the maker of RPGs [male] date the biggest fan of the Xbox 360 [female], and then he really ticked her off so bad that she refused to allow any decent RPG games (in Squeaky-Pig's opinion) on her console?
Because, I mean, Xbox has a ton of crappy RPGs and only about 3 good ones. The Playstation 3 only has one, but it's the best. Feel free to express your opinions on this topic.
All in all, where are there a lot of semi-decent RPG games on the Xbox 360, but the best are on the PS3?
The biggest market for JRPGs is Japan, and the Japanese won't buy a console made by gaijin because of their national xenophobia (I gotta wonder if some of 'em would answer the "what would you do with a time machine" question by saying "go to 1854 and kill Commodore Perry"). The Japanese studios who make those games know it, and the money they'd make by selling to Americans with 360s doesn't make up for the money they lose by making a game for a console that nobody in their home market owns.
You want RPGs on the 360? Plenty of western RPGs available, many of which are 360-exclusive (or in the case of Fallout 3, may as well be when you consider the shit sandwich of a port the PS3 got---this, of course, not counting PC gamers).
You want RPGs on the 360? Plenty of western RPGs available, many of which are 360-exclusive (or in the case of Fallout 3, may as well be when you consider the shit sandwich of a port the PS3 got---this, of course, not counting PC gamers).