Why do so many people complain about Sonic?

[rosac]

I've always hoped that Sonic Team would get their heads in the game, but given the announcement recently of SONIC KART RACING, this is not going to happen anytime soon.

I agree. Even I, who is still is a die hard Sonic game fan, hate the idea of karts.

whats he point of karting when you can run at just under the speed of sound?

I iz confussed.

OT: Sonic team is the true evil here. They make sonic dance like a puppet, introduce more and more elements that aren't needed into each game. The stories are often a bit forced, new modes and characters hinder rather than help...

its a shame, but if they could redo sonic with as little of sonic team involved as posiible, I would be happy.

What do I think should be done?

hand him over to nintendo for one game, and see how he turns out after the mario treatment.

my opinion.

rosac

 

[IntoxicatedKnight]

Sonic is like the mentally insane nephew of the gaming family; we're all slightly ashamed about him and everyone is hoping he gets better, but we know his doctors have stopped giving him his meds and are now just keeping him in the cupboard next to the bleach.

Hahaha! YES! This IS the reason.

 

[Insanum]

At the end of the day a car's no better than the sum of its parts - If the games suck (which id say about 90% of them do), Then its going to bring the opinion of sonic down.

I had sonic 1,2 & knuckles on the megadrive, and i loved them, But that was early nighties, We're now in the late naughties, They cant just just make it 2.5d and think we'll love it. Theyre been no major gameplay change really which has worked, And it seems Sonic team have given up.

If they make a decent sonic game ill buy it. But i have a feeling ill be holding onto my money for a while.

 

[AroLombardi]

At the end of the day a car's no better than the sum of its parts - If the games suck (which id say about 90% of them do), Then its going to bring the opinion of sonic down.

You are the first person to make sense. All the others just say he sucks, and that makes the rest suck.

Lets see, its hard for people to ignore the game if its bad if they have picked it up hoping it was going to be good to find it a worthless waste of time. Lets see, i loved Adventure battle 2 (ciaos!! are the best part) and though heroes was ok, but i bought shadow the hedgehog and sonic and the secret rings at a full Australian price (overpriced) because i hoped they were good...
Guess what? They were the worst things (i can hardly say games) I've ever played personally, i beat shadow the hedgehog the same hour i bought it and secret rings just plain sucked with the fact that you don't tell sonic to run, you tell him to stop, jump and sidestep. Which became irritating at harder or even moderate difficulty levels, because the wiimote didnt pick up the 'stop' motion too well and made precision platforming hell. Then add the terrible plot and setting, which in my opinion was just plain dull to get a bad game, then we add the coup-de-grace which is the soundtrack...
it plays every time you beat a sub level, and there is like 20 sub levels...it will drive you nuts without playing the game.

Ok, I'll agree that Sonic and the Secret Rings sucked. But Shadow...that was pretty fun. The reason you beat it is because the creators want you to play every ending. I actually liked the game because it acted like "Shadow, this is a gun. It can shoot people and kill them. Now go have some fun...".

They still have some good games. Just think before you buy it, instead of blaming Sonic Team for putting it on the shelf. If you think it's bad, don't buy it.

 

[L33tsauce_Marty]

We do?

 

[AroLombardi]

We do?

A lot of people do.

 

[CoziestPigeon]

Well thats just people's opinions, isn't it? Sega just keep pumping out terrible Sonic games and alot of people don't want Sonic to be made into a whore.

Not all the games are bad. And who knows, the next great game could be next...

Recently? Yeah...yeah they are. Sonic = Werewolf? No. Bad game.

 

[RagnorakTres]

Ahem. Allow me to first say that, despite the apparent age difference between me and the average old-school Sonic fan (I'm sixteen, they're usually twenty-five to thirty), I have played all of the original Sonics on the original consoles. They're good games that should be remembered and re-played for the rest of time.

However, that does not preclude me liking the fuzzy little guys newer titles as well. I have to say that some of them are decent, though not in the same way as the originals were. HOWEVER, this doesn't mean I don't admit that there are things that are broken about them. Hell, there are things that were broken from the start.

I recently began watching Moviebob's Game Overthinker video blog and even more recently watched his two-part series "Sonic in Crisis." The first part is about how Sonic Team got to the point where they are now. It was very depressing. The second part, however, laid out how he would save Sonic were he in charge of Team Sonic. And that was a very well done list of suggestions that seemed like they would work quite well. The only part I didn't like was that he said we should kill the entire supporting cast except for Sonic, Tails, Knuckles and Amy, but that's just 'cause Shadow is my favorite character who I can see a lot of possible development directions for. Otherwise, they all die (Except Sonic, Tails, Knuckles and Amy. Oh, and Creme, but that's just so we can watch her die slowly.).

Here are the links (in order): <url=http://gameoverthinker.blogspot.com/2009/04/episode-twenty-one-sonic-in-crisis-part.html>The GAME OVERTHINKER Blog: Episode Twenty-One, Sonic in Crisis, Part One and <url=http://gameoverthinker.blogspot.com/2009/04/episode-twenty-two-sonic-in-crisis-part.html>The GAME OVERTHINKER Blog: Episode Twenty-Two, Sonic in Crisis, Part Two.

 

[AroLombardi]

The only part I didn't like was that he said we should kill the entire supporting cast except for Sonic, Tails, Knuckles and Amy, but that's just 'cause Shadow is my favorite character who I can see a lot of possible development directions for. Otherwise, they all die (Except Sonic, Tails, Knuckles and Amy. Oh, and Creme, but that's just so we can watch her die slowly.).

I disagree with a lot of that video. I don't get what's potentially wrong with some of the cast. Creme does suck though. But Shadow, Chaos (The water guy), Jet maybe, and that one pink/purple guy with the horn. The rest can die. But keep Big and Froggie, cause that's just fun to laugh at.

 

[RagnorakTres]

I disagree with a lot of that video. I don't get what's potentially wrong with some of the cast. Creme does suck though. But Shadow, Chaos (The water guy), Jet maybe, and that one pink/purple guy with the horn. The rest can die. But keep Big and Froggie, cause that's just fun to laugh at.

See, but the cast is just flooded with bad characters. Either they need to kill them all or develop a semi-decent backstory for all of them that nonetheless takes a backseat to the actual story.

Anything else you disagreed with?

 

[glowstick]

Because Sega tried too hard in making Sonic so "cool and edgy unlike that fat loser Mario" for any of the games to be really that good.

 

[AroLombardi]

I disagree with a lot of that video. I don't get what's potentially wrong with some of the cast. Creme does suck though. But Shadow, Chaos (The water guy), Jet maybe, and that one pink/purple guy with the horn. The rest can die. But keep Big and Froggie, cause that's just fun to laugh at.

See, but the cast is just flooded with bad characters. Either they need to kill them all or develop a semi-decent backstory for all of them that nonetheless takes a backseat to the actual story.

Anything else you disagreed with?

Well, I find it stupid that just because Shadow is introduced that he hated Sonic Adventure 2. He should base his opinion on a game for gameplay. After all, that's what games are made for: Something to play instead of going outside.

 

[AroLombardi]

Because Sega tried too hard in making Sonic so "cool and edgy unlike that fat loser Mario" for any of the games to be really that good.

That...doesn't make sense.

 

[Inco]

-Snip-
The reason you beat it is because the creators want you to play every ending.
-Snip-
They still have some good games. Just think before you buy it, instead of blaming Sonic Team for putting it on the shelf. If you think it's bad, don't buy it.

But thats the point im trying to make, buying the game cause you think its good then it turns out bad. Its pretty hard to not buy a game because its bad when you think its good.
I would agree with you on the ending part but i did go through again at a rate of about 2 play throughs a hour beating each ending... and they were basically the exact same.

Spoiler

*insert level based quote here* im shadow the hedgehog and this is my true destiny!!*

^that is basically the ending for all 18 endings.

 

[RagnorakTres]

See, but the cast is just flooded with bad characters. Either they need to kill them all or develop a semi-decent backstory for all of them that nonetheless takes a backseat to the actual story.

Anything else you disagreed with?

Well, I find it stupid that just because Shadow is introduced. He should base his opinion on a game for gameplay. After all, that's what games are made for: Something to play instead of going outside.

Well, yes, he should base his opinion of a game on gameplay, but likability of a character influences buying decisions. This is undisputed. Shadow is a character he doesn't like so he is less likely to like the game and more likely to find flaws in it. Simple human nature. I understand why he doesn't like the character, I just happen to disagree with him. I haven't played the game, so I can't make a call on it. It looks fun to me because I like the character.

Anywhozzle, besides that stuff, did you like the steps he presented to revive Sonic's old glory?

Because Sega tried too hard in making Sonic so "cool and edgy unlike that fat loser Mario" for any of the games to be really that good.

That...doesn't make sense.

Actually, yes it does. Sonic was supposed to be "cool" alternative to Mario. As Moviebob said, "Cool has a shelf-life and, if that's all your character has, so does he." To continue with Moviebob, "But cool wasn't all Sonic had; he had gameplay." That gameplay was largely based on moving from one end of a level to the other: that was the selling point, he runs fast. in the 3D era, moving fast doesn't do much for the character. As MB pointed out "...what does speed do for me?" In the 3D era, unfortunately, the answer is "not much." Moving from point A to point B quickly is more the realm of 2D than, shall we say, Tomb Raider or Prince of Persia. 3D lends itself to a more sedate pace, an exploratory feeling shall we say. We need to see Sonic move past just being fast to being fast and...

I don't know what that "and" might be, but that's beside the point. Sonic needs to be more than just quick if he is going to make it in the 3D world of seventh generation gaming.

 

[AroLombardi]

See, but the cast is just flooded with bad characters. Either they need to kill them all or develop a semi-decent backstory for all of them that nonetheless takes a backseat to the actual story.

Anything else you disagreed with?

Well, I find it stupid that just because Shadow is introduced. He should base his opinion on a game for gameplay. After all, that's what games are made for: Something to play instead of going outside.

Well, yes, he should base his opinion of a game on gameplay, but likability of a character influences buying decisions. This is undisputed. Shadow is a character he doesn't like so he is less likely to like the game and more likely to find flaws in it. Simple human nature. I understand why he doesn't like the character, I just happen to disagree with him. I haven't played the game, so I can't make a call on it. It looks fun to me because I like the character.

Anywhozzle, besides that stuff, did you like the steps he presented to revive Sonic's old glory?

I liked the idea of reinventing speed. Sonic has lost his special characteristic due to the society based on speed today. Sonic needs to do something related to speed that is something unattainable by humans.

 

[AroLombardi]

But thats the point im trying to make, buying the game cause you think its good then it turns out bad. Its pretty hard to not buy a game because its bad when you think its good.
I would agree with you on the ending part but i did go through again at a rate of about 2 play throughs a hour beating each ending... and they were basically the exact same.

Spoiler

*insert level based quote here* im shadow the hedgehog and this is my true destiny!!*

^that is basically the ending for all 18 endings.

Well, actually, it's "THIS IS WHO I AM".

 

[quack35]

I don't know, you'd think if people really wanted Sonic to die they'd just stop buying and talking about it.

 

[AroLombardi]

I don't know, you'd think if people really wanted Sonic to die they'd just stop buying and talking about it.

EXACTLY!