Why do so many people complain about Sonic?

[WithHisHat]

Well to answer the initial question, people complain about anything because that's human nature. Once given something we will want something better, that is how society works

Now the question of why many fans want the Sonic franchise to end, that is a bit more complicated. You see, most of grew up with Sonic, for many of us (including myself) he is the character that got us into gaming. His games were truly unlike anything else out there. There was no set course, hell, there was no time to think just run and go! That is the kind of game that broke the cookie-cutter mold and we loved it.
Now fast-froward a bit. We enter the 3-D world, the games get a lot linear and a whole lot slower. Sure we hold on to hope to the Adventure series because it vaguely looks like the classic games we all grew up with. But then the games got weird. Strange unfamiliar characters are introduced, gimmicks attempt to replace speed, and side characters get their own automatic weapons and stories.

THIS is the moment where the classic fans realize that sonic games are no longer being made for them. They are being made for the next generation, they get their own silly characters and ridiculous game mechanics. You see, gamers are used to being coddled by game companies. Both Naughty Dog and Insomniac started out with adorable mascots Crash Bandicoot and Spryo. Then as their fans got older, their new mascots, Jack and Ratchet got to carry weapons (not real weapons but silly weapons with lazers and beams shooting out of them) And when the audience got older still they started making realistic 3rd person shooter games each with their own different levels of grittiness. But Sonic...he remained stagnant, so stagnant that he just clung on to the next generation, instead of evolving. And the die-hard fans resented him for doing this. We fans are a selfish race, we don't want the next generation to have him. Some because we cherish the nostalga he gave us and hate to see that very same character ruin himself for someone that isn't us. Others want to protect the next generation. Lets be honest, these Sonic games are ok at best. Even those that defend the games in this thread can only muster up a half-assed "well i thought it was ok." These games are not the 9s and 10s we expect from a mascot for a company. They are 6s and 7s at best. No generation should be brought up by a mascot so mediocre.

Why do we want Sonic gone, because he isn't our game character anymore. That's all.

Side note-Why is it when people in this thread want to explain that Sonic's recent games are crap they imply anal sex?

Other Side note-Both Vector and Espio (that purple guy with the horn) were characters from Knuckle's game, Knuckles Chaotix a game that came out on the Sega 32X. So technically they are older than Shadow, Bigs, Cream, and that fucking bird dude.

 

[AroLombardi]

Well to answer the initial question, people complain about anything because that's human nature. Once given something we will want something better, that is how society works

Now the question of why many fans want the Sonic franchise to end, that is a bit more complicated. You see, most of grew up with Sonic, for many of us (including myself) he is the character that got us into gaming. His games were truly unlike anything else out there. There was no set course, hell, there was no time to think just run and go! That is the kind of game that broke the cookie-cutter mold and we loved it.
Now fast-froward a bit. We enter the 3-D world, the games get a lot linear and a whole lot slower. Sure we hold on to hope to the Adventure series because it vaguely looks like the classic games we all grew up with. But then the games got weird. Strange unfamiliar characters are introduced, gimmicks attempt to replace speed, and side characters get their own automatic weapons and stories.

THIS is the moment where the classic fans realize that sonic games are no longer being made for them. They are being made for the next generation, they get their own silly characters and ridiculous game mechanics. You see, gamers are used to being coddled by game companies. Both Naughty Dog and Insomniac started out with adorable mascots Crash Bandicoot and Spryo. Then as their fans got older, their new mascots, Jack and Ratchet got to carry weapons (not real weapons but silly weapons with lazers and beams shooting out of them) And when the audience got older still they started making realistic 3rd person shooter games each with their own different levels of grittiness. But Sonic...he remained stagnant, so stagnant that he just clung on to the next generation, instead of evolving. And the die-hard fans resented him for doing this. We fans are a selfish race, we don't want the next generation to have him. Some because we cherish the nostalga he gave us and hate to see that very same character ruin himself for someone that isn't us. Others want to protect the next generation. Lets be honest, these Sonic games are ok at best. Even those that defend the games in this thread can only muster up a half-assed "well i thought it was ok." These games are not the 9s and 10s we expect from a mascot for a company. They are 6s and 7s at best. No generation should be brought up by a mascot so mediocre.

Why do we want Sonic gone, because he isn't our game character anymore. That's all.

Side note-Why is it when people in this thread want to explain that Sonic's recent games are crap they imply anal sex?

Other Side note-Both Vector and Espio (that purple guy with the horn) were characters from Knuckle's game, Knuckles Chaotix a game that came out on the Sega 32X. So technically they are older than Shadow, Bigs, Cream, and that fucking bird dude.

You are the first one to say it so straight forward and make some much sense. You have pretty much countered my whole argument. And you are right about the recent games not being amazingly good. But honestly, I don't know why the old Sonic games were so good. Sure it brought the innovation of speed to an utterly slow time, but the gameplay did get cheap at times. You'd be speeding along, then randomly be hit by an enemy, spikes, or bomb, and lose every ring you ever touched. And then you can only get twenty of those back, providing you can get them all in time. And avoiding those crashes were nearly impossible if you haven't memorized the level. And then those areas with purple water. I would get lost so many times. And the sky levels I would die from falling every five seconds. But this is all based from my experience, and I suck.

 

[Haro]

I agree, I really liked sonic adventures 1, for the time. However, it really comes down to translation of the whole idea of the game. Sonic was all about speed and trying to get through the map as quickly as possible, navigating all its pitfalls. more you vs. the environment. more recent sonic games have emphasized combat more, and I find, when I finally start getting into a groove on a sonic game, it either runs into some serious hell on some really tricky and unnecessary platforming, or some fight.

I have no problem with more sonic games being made, but I would prefer that Sega realize it needs to get back to its roots.

 

[Khazoth]

Some games were not meant to be 3D.

Sonic was one of them.

 

[AroLombardi]

I agree, I really liked sonic adventures 1, for the time. However, it really comes down to translation of the whole idea of the game. Sonic was all about speed and trying to get through the map as quickly as possible, navigating all its pitfalls. more you vs. the environment. more recent sonic games have emphasized combat more, and I find, when I finally start getting into a groove on a sonic game, it either runs into some serious hell on some really tricky and unnecessary platforming, or some fight.

I have no problem with more sonic games being made, but I would prefer that Sega realize it needs to get back to its roots.

As I said above, I didn't like the old sega ones as much.

 

[AroLombardi]

Actually, yes it does. Sonic was supposed to be "cool" alternative to Mario. As Moviebob said, "Cool has a shelf-life and, if that's all your character has, so does he." To continue with Moviebob, "But cool wasn't all Sonic had; he had gameplay." That gameplay was largely based on moving from one end of a level to the other: that was the selling point, he runs fast. in the 3D era, moving fast doesn't do much for the character. As MB pointed out "...what does speed do for me?" In the 3D era, unfortunately, the answer is "not much." Moving from point A to point B quickly is more the realm of 2D than, shall we say, Tomb Raider or Prince of Persia. 3D lends itself to a more sedate pace, an exploratory feeling shall we say. We need to see Sonic move past just being fast to being fast and...

I don't know what that "and" might be, but that's beside the point. Sonic needs to be more than just quick if he is going to make it in the 3D world of seventh generation gaming.

The way you put it, it does make sense. But he was being vague and didn't give any reason why.

 

[Vrex360]

I respect your belief that Sonic never got stale, but seriously I never really liked that blue hedgehog right from the start. Besides most of the games being released for him are now soooo bad that it makes me realise that if Sonic is any indication. The era of the wholesome cut mascot is over, say hi to the era of the violent sociopaths and the giant tits.

 

[BolognaBaloney]

I respect your belief that Sonic never got stale, but seriously I never really liked that blue hedgehog right from the start. Besides most of the games being released for him are now soooo bad that it makes me realise that if Sonic is any indication. The era of the wholesome cut mascot is over, say hi to the era of the violent sociopaths and the giant tits.

Just out of curiousity, couldn't we have violent sociopaths WITH giant tits?

 

[Vrex360]

I respect your belief that Sonic never got stale, but seriously I never really liked that blue hedgehog right from the start. Besides most of the games being released for him are now soooo bad that it makes me realise that if Sonic is any indication. The era of the wholesome cut mascot is over, say hi to the era of the violent sociopaths and the giant tits.

Just out of curiousity, couldn't we have violent sociopaths WITH giant tits?

We do, her name is Ivy.

 

[BolognaBaloney]

I respect your belief that Sonic never got stale, but seriously I never really liked that blue hedgehog right from the start. Besides most of the games being released for him are now soooo bad that it makes me realise that if Sonic is any indication. The era of the wholesome cut mascot is over, say hi to the era of the violent sociopaths and the giant tits.

Just out of curiousity, couldn't we have violent sociopaths WITH giant tits?

We do, her name is Ivy.

Touche.

 

[thenoblitt]

cause the last good game came out about 7-8 years ago, and now every other game has shitty dialogue, shitty voice acting, and they are generally just not fun to play

 

[AroLombardi]

cause the last good game came out about 7-8 years ago, and now every other game has shitty dialogue, shitty voice acting, and they are generally just not fun to play

Sonic Riders, mainly for it's gameplay.

 

[Insanum]

Sonic, when it first come out, was a chilli dog eating "hip" character, And if you look at the possibly not the games, But any of the TV shows, You'll realise how 90's the whole shibang was.

But unlike Nintendo & mario, Where nintendo have not changed mario in the slightest & concentrated on level work & good games (granted, Sunshine was infuriating, But fun), Sonic team & Sega have concentrated on evolving characters. I mean sonic was a hedgehog, slowest of most creatures, And he could run fast, and he was blue, its a winning combination - instead of drawing a line under character development and concentrating on his battles with robotnik (eggman? nonono) they starting adding his whole family. Please Sonic team Lets have decent level design.

Once again, The question stands - how?

We're stuck in the genre of racing games now tho, Its the only time you can achieve speed in this day and age (properly). Anything else (i.e using machines to gain speed) just wouldnt be sonic. end of.

I see no-one has mentioned (or that ive skimmed through) that sonic is japanese, And the japs do have a difficult job kicking off jap culture on a character like sonic. On Pokemon it was fine, But not on sonic.

And i didnt like shadow. I only liked Knuckles & Tails.

 

[A random person]

Its not sonic people hate. We love him. Sonic team on the other hand...

This.
I liked the adventure games and loved the everliving crap out of Sonic 3 and Knuckles. The character and setting is great for the most part, it's just used badly, rather it be for shoehorned "storybook" games (Sonic & The Secret Rings was just stupid) that are at most a gimmick or for garnering the hatred of the entire internet (most recent 3D Sonic games, but everyone hates Sonic 2006 with a burning passion).

 

[dontworryaboutit]

In my honest opinion, the games are fine.

Thanks for playing.

lul

 

[AroLombardi]

(most recent 3D Sonic games, but everyone hates Sonic 2006 with a burning passion).

I had no real gripes of Sonic '06.

 

[Inco]

But thats the point im trying to make, buying the game cause you think its good then it turns out bad. Its pretty hard to not buy a game because its bad when you think its good.
I would agree with you on the ending part but i did go through again at a rate of about 2 play throughs a hour beating each ending... and they were basically the exact same.

Spoiler

*insert level based quote here* im shadow the hedgehog and this is my true destiny!!*

^that is basically the ending for all 18 endings.

Well, actually, it's "THIS IS WHO I AM".

Haha,thanks for the correction, but you didnt disagree with that point.
But to really say, i am a sonic fan. I just hate his current games at the moment due to their lackluster quality and the fact that Sonic team (its their fault, i resisting to quote yahtzee again) keeps bringing up new ideas that the public hates (Kart racing, using a sword and werehog to name a few)and so do i, like if they got the idea that they could make a side scrolling game that's like the first 3, without the extra characters and includes great graphics then im sold. (as i found that the old ones formula is much more fun and a addictive than the 3D versions, except Adventure battle 2)

Ahh screw it, im not going to quote Zero Punctuation but i am going to quote yahtzee on game damage which is his hypothesis on sonic. "Sonic Team dont know what to do with him any more, and their method of ideas for games is to throw darts at a dartboard covered in random words."^
^is not 100% accurate but conveys the message.

 

[Inco]

I respect your belief that Sonic never got stale, but seriously I never really liked that blue hedgehog right from the start. Besides most of the games being released for him are now soooo bad that it makes me realise that if Sonic is any indication. The era of the wholesome cut mascot is over, say hi to the era of the violent sociopaths and the giant tits.

Just out of curiousity, couldn't we have violent sociopaths WITH giant tits?

We do, her name is Ivy.

Touche.

serious lolage just their. i spat my drink out to it, i bow my hat to you both.

 

[AroLombardi]

But thats the point im trying to make, buying the game cause you think its good then it turns out bad. Its pretty hard to not buy a game because its bad when you think its good.
I would agree with you on the ending part but i did go through again at a rate of about 2 play throughs a hour beating each ending... and they were basically the exact same.

Spoiler

*insert level based quote here* im shadow the hedgehog and this is my true destiny!!*

^that is basically the ending for all 18 endings.

Well, actually, it's "THIS IS WHO I AM".

Haha,thanks for the correction, but you didnt disagree with that point.
But to really say, i am a sonic fan. I just hate his current games at the moment due to their lackluster quality and the fact that Sonic team (its their fault, i resisting to quote yahtzee again) keeps bringing up new ideas that the public hates (Kart racing, using a sword and werehog to name a few)and so do i, like if they got the idea that they could make a side scrolling game that's like the first 3, without the extra characters and includes great graphics then im sold. (as i found that the old ones formula is much more fun and a addictive than the 3D versions, except Adventure battle 2)

Ahh screw it, im not going to quote Zero Punctuation but i am going to quote yahtzee on game damage which is his hypothesis on sonic. "Sonic Team dont know what to do with him any more, and their method of ideas for games is to throw darts at a dartboard covered in random words."^
^is not 100% accurate but conveys the message.

I didn't want to argue at that time. But the werehog idea wasn't a complete bomb. It was fun at times. And I don't get why so many people hate having more than three characters in it. I actually admire it. Being a story writer (not a pro, mind you) I find it amazing that they can juggle all those character in the game without neglecting one of them completely. And some of the characters w are just so awesome. Why, without their idea of making multiple characters, Emerl and Chaos (God of Destruction!) wouldn't have been made. They're my all time favorite characters.

PS: Can I just get my fecking award for a thread of over fifty replies already!?

EDIT: Speak of the devil. I got it!

 

[Zersy]

As the title says, why do people whine about it so much? In my honest opinion, the games are fine. True some are terrible, such as Sonic Heroes, but it's not a reason to want to kill the whole series. I see people always saying "JUST LET IT DIE ALREADY" and that doesn't make sense to me. If you keep thinking they HAVE to be as good as the old ones, you're going to be disappointed. Sega is trying to do something new instead of recreating the same thing. They have the balls to do something they want to do. And if you honestly don't like the games, don't play them. Why kill the whole effing series just because YOU don't like them. It's not like they're forcing you to play them. I myself would be sad if Sonic died, because I love some of their games. Sonic Unleashed, Sonic Riders (Not Zero G. That one sucked), Sonic Adventure 2 Battle, etc. Stop complaining about a series that you can just ignore if you don't like it.

Very true even reviewers yell that sonic should be put to rest because his games are terrible but i played ALOT of his games and i can easily say that they are fun to a limit

the hate really just comes form no where