Why do some people think free healthcare is bad?

[The Urban Moose]

The money has to come from somewhere, and that somewhere in the world of "free" health care is the government. This results in what may seem like cheaper medical care, but really, you're going to be getting the bill through your taxes. Also, it supposedly sets up the system to be less efficient, meaning longer wait times and whatnot.

Rule of thumb: don't let the government control stuff they shouldn't. It just gets messed up.

 

[Mcface]

Australia has free health care, it can result in really long waits but it is better than death because you can't pay.

This is a myth.
people do not die in hospitals if they dont have health insurance.
Yeah, they will receive a big ol' bill when they are released, but if you are injured and dying, the hospitals can't refuse you.

if you have a less serious injury you can go to a private clinic, its a bit expensive but you dont need full coverage.

 

[conflictofinterests]

Also, Hanlon's razor.

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

Our politicians are likely attempting to act in their own or their constituents' best interests/ strongest wishes. Just mull over that Hanlon's razor bit.

Oh, thank you Wikipedia!

Clark's Law: "Sufficiently advanced cluelessness is indistinguishable from malice."

 

[williagr]

Socialized health care turns doctors into government employees. Without the carrot on the stick, how the heck are we supposed to keep the best doctors in the world?

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

Also, Hanlon's razor.

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

I am instantly infatuated with that term.

I'm chucking that into my Term Specibus, along with Poe's Law.

 

[Lord Beautiful]

First this should be in R&P

Secondly because its EXTREMELY expensive. And as most people know government does a shitty job at running it. So much waste and financial burden on a country.

We need to face it whether you live in the USA which has great quality of medicine and procedures but not coverage

In Canada, the UK or many European countries that have free health care yet you end up waiting a very long time (sometimes too long)

Some people will be left out in the cold.

It is impossible to get everyone the best health care. Life isn't fair and you need to accept that.

The only thing we can rely on is the generosity of others.

Essentially this. It's become fairly obvious that the United States government rarely has a hand in anything that doesn't end up suffering because of it.

 

[Mechalemmiwinks]

Well, call me a Socialist, but I think doctors should do their job for want of helping people. I know, I know, I have my head in the clouds, but I think the best way to go about things is to allow medical school run at reduced costs and get some more noble doctors out there. The insurance companies wouldn't be such a pain in the ass if the hospitals didn't try to recoup their losses for an X-Ray machine 100 times over.

 

[Flamespeak]

Well, call me a Socialist, but I think doctors should do their job for want of helping people. I know, I know, I have my head in the clouds, but I think the best way to go about things is to allow medical school run at reduced costs and get some more noble doctors out there. The insurance companies wouldn't be such a pain in the ass if the hospitals didn't try to recoup their losses for an X-Ray machine 100 times over.

Actually, if you want to know what really, really drives a lot of the costs up, look at how much a doctor or surgeon has to pay in malpractice insurance fees.

 

[James Raynor]

Because in a capitalist society, everything is a commodity, even your health.

 

[Kortney]

Do you want to pay for it?

Yes, actually. That's why I am pro-taxes. In fact, I do pay for it - we all do in this country. Same happens in your country, Australia, as far as I'm aware.

 

[Guitarmasterx7]

The reasons I can see against it are

1. Because it isn't actually FREE it's just that it comes out of taxes now

2. Have you ever been to an emergancy room? You know how you can be missing a face and you'll still have to wait 3 hours to get it sewn back on? That's WITH people "not being able to afford healthcare."

Though the reason most idiots give is "It's like communism"

 

[conflictofinterests]

Well, call me a Socialist, but I think doctors should do their job for want of helping people. I know, I know, I have my head in the clouds, but I think the best way to go about things is to allow medical school run at reduced costs and get some more noble doctors out there. The insurance companies wouldn't be such a pain in the ass if the hospitals didn't try to recoup their losses for an X-Ray machine 100 times over.

What about recouping the doctors' losses for medical school? That shit ain't cheap. Doctors may not have a choice in being pricey; student loans are brutal.

I like one suggestion I've heard; have ROTC except for doctors and lawyers. People who wouldn't normally be able to afford it can then, and then you get their pledge to serve the country in their capacities, medicine and public service respectively, for some pre-determined amount of time. May or may not be a good solution for cutting health-care costs, depending on living wages for doctors during their time served and how much the government has to subsidize in schooling.

 

[Flamespeak]

However that pails in comparison with the fact that a Doctor can't even set his or her own price structure without being black-balled by the insurance industry.

Agreed. While I don't think free health care is the way to go due to the staggering high costs from the massive amount of people the US population has, I do believe work needs to be done to remove a lot of power from the insurance companies hands.

 

[Romblen]

As several users have already said, it's not free. Healthcare is expensive, and as a taxpayer, I don't think I should be responsible for paying some one's medical bills. It sucks if they don't have the money, but that's not my responsibility.

 

[incal11]

Who gets it?

Everyone.

Whats it cover?

Everything that is essential for a good health, nothing less than that, you still pay for the vanity stuff like liftings and anti balding products.

How much will it cost(in taxes)?

Should depend on your income, nothing if you are pretty much homeless, and nothing that would make your life visibly harder. That's the main point again those who keep saying "money has to come from somewhere". Not wanting to help those less favored by life under the pretext that they don't deserve it is short sighted, self-centered, and distastefull.

will it actually fix anything?

It will fix abuses from the insurance companies, and it will indirectly help reduce criminality and other poverty related problems.

It sucks if they don't have the money, but that's not my responsibility.

Untill you are that one about to die without money.

As harsh as that sounds, it is simply how it is. Life isn't perfect.

That's not a reason not to try to make it better, that's how you got democracy for instance.

t is impossible to get everyone the best health care. Life isn't fair and you need to accept that.

Still it's better than nothing.

It would drastically reduce the amount of income many medical facilities receive for one and cause an overall reduction in health care quality.

Bollocks, that's the point of the tax, those who really want extra good care can still pay for it.

Of course, Sweden has free health care and ranks #1 in terms of quality of health care worldwide generally, but then again it has a population of less than 10 million as opposed to the US population of over 307 million.

We should compare the PIB of both countries to know about that.

 

[conflictofinterests]

WHY DO I HAVE TO PAY FOR IT?!

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Because the next step in human behavioral evolution is the altruistic supporting and loving of those who are in need.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa. NEXT step?

I just came from my Biological Anthropology class, and in there they explained that one of the possible circumstances that may have lead to the rise of Hominids (Lucy and her ilk, and after a while, us) was that the parents may have gone out to gather and then bring food back, and guess what, no regurgitation capabilities, no cheek pouches, nothing but front feet, aka HANDS.

Bipedalism? BIPEDALISM IS A FORM OF SOCIALISM! LET YOUR WIFE AND BABY GET THEIR OWN DAMN FOOD, THEY HAVE LEGS!!!