Why do some people think free healthcare is bad?
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I like the idea of free healthcare, rich people pay so I have an easier life. I pay to, but it will cost me around the same or maybe even a little less than what I would pay without it.
It may sound a bit ignorant, but poor people should get free healthcare, I would hate the thought of people not being able to get a simple operation such as having an appendix taken out because they don't got the money.
Even sometimes when I'm a bit poorer (I've spent my money on something new) I sometimes struggle to pull out the cash, so having the option of free healthcare just adds to my opinion as to why we should have it.
I like ripping off rich people anyways, because generally they rip us off in alot of ways to get rich, so meh.
(PS. I live in Australia, and I couldn't imagine a life without it.. even though I pay for private health insurance now which essentially puts me at the front of the heart transplant list, but its still good to know I have the other alternative in reach)
It may sound a bit ignorant, but poor people should get free healthcare, I would hate the thought of people not being able to get a simple operation such as having an appendix taken out because they don't got the money.
Even sometimes when I'm a bit poorer (I've spent my money on something new) I sometimes struggle to pull out the cash, so having the option of free healthcare just adds to my opinion as to why we should have it.
I like ripping off rich people anyways, because generally they rip us off in alot of ways to get rich, so meh.
(PS. I live in Australia, and I couldn't imagine a life without it.. even though I pay for private health insurance now which essentially puts me at the front of the heart transplant list, but its still good to know I have the other alternative in reach)
Because it simply isn't my job to pay for someone else to get their medicine. That simply is not my job. First and foremost I have to look out for myself and my family. If you can't pay for medical care, well, that sucks but it isn't my problem.
It's not compassionate and it's not kind, but it isn't my job to be either of those things, either.
It's not compassionate and it's not kind, but it isn't my job to be either of those things, either.
Situations like the one described in that thread don't happen in the UK. Nor Australia as far as I'm aware.Pirate Kitty said:
Also, what would be bad about everyone paying higher taxes? It's an irrational fear. Countries in Europe with 90% tax rates are some of the best places in the world to live.
In my understanding, If the bill passes, Taxes will have to be raised.
And in America, Taxes are synonymous with Satan.
And in America, Taxes are synonymous with Satan.
I'm Canadian, and our health care is provided by tax revenue. And we're all fine with that, because we realize it's better to have a bit less money but know we're safe in case of some unforeseeable genetic defect. I mean, seriously, the fact that so many Americans put money ahead of the health of the nation is something I find genuinely disturbing.
Well with Universal Health Care everyone would get the treatment they need, and everyone at the same time would pay for it through taxes. Ahh, delicious delicious Universal Healthcare.Pirate Kitty said:
Pretty much this, let's just say that both the private and public systems have their problems. I already mentioned this on the last 'why do people think free healthcare is evil' thread, but even with the 'glorious Canadian healthcare system' I've had to wait in an ER for four hours with glass stuck in my bloody head (long story, involved a guy who's an angry drunk and a bottle, you figure it out) because I wasn't in 'dire need'. Anyone older then me was usually accepted and got service way faster then I did. 'Free healthcare' ain't exactly free either, ambulance rides still cost a fair amount of cash, even when the hospital is a couple blocks down (cost me 45 bucks to get someone having a severe allergic reaction there).MortisLegio said:
Yeah...when its more effective to go to your aunt's(who's a trained nurse) house to get help when you're hurt rather then the ACTUAL medical system, the system needs to be fixed a bit.
Note my statement above, universal healthcare is not perfect and a magical answer to all our problems, there's a lot of issues involved.PrimoThePro said:
How can America claim to be a christian country when it would rather by its spoilt brat daughter a new Guchi bag to go with her tit job, whilst a few miles away a child dies from renal failure?
Because insurance is practically a scam. you pay premiums all your life and once ONE instance occurs in which you need to call upon your insurance, they penalize you or try to come up with an excuse why you can't collect. Car insurance for example, you could have a perfect driving record, get into a small collision which may not even have been your fault then pay over a thousand more a year over it.R Man said:
Everyone who pays taxes get it.MortisLegio said:
It covers everything.
Well as far as our nation stands, not all that much. And not many people here die every year.
It's better to pay it in taxes, and never to receive it, than to need it one day and have to pay a bill for some thousands of dollars.
Lord knows we are that scrupulous about our defense budget.Pirate Kitty said:
Oh wait...no...nobody gives a crap about that.
Preventative Healthcare and proper education nationally could not, ever, cost more than a private system.
It's difficult for me to envision how it could cost more, but I'm sure given a day someone will quote this and explain the voodoo and planet alignments necessary for it.
PS. For those curious the insurance company that covers my work uses preventative care and education and will lower costs if you get regular checkups.
Because "gasp" if people know how to stay healthy then less people get sick and the costs go down.
Our dental is the same too. In both cases they pay for all costs related to routine checkups. You can go in twice a month without paying a cent.
I should also note that a universal healthcare system has the habit of massively over-spending quite often. Case in point was during the H1N1 flu scare, over 35 million vaccines were made for the cost of over 2 billion dollars. I don't know about my fellow Canadians on the Escapist, but I certainly didn't go for my vaccine, and I know plenty of other people who did the same. So there's a nice massive waste of money right there, you really wonder why we spend over 160 BILLION dollars (or over 10% of our GDP) on healthcare each year.
Everytime there's complaints about wait times, the government just throws money at the problem, do wait times improve? I have yet to see any.
Everytime there's complaints about wait times, the government just throws money at the problem, do wait times improve? I have yet to see any.
So all this stuff about how its too expensive and the government is too stupid to manage is...well, bullshit. Complete and utter bullshit.
1. How much is a human life worth? Every single person who says its too much money please tell me.
2. Sure if you call 911 the hospital can't refuse you. However, people without health insurance are more likely to not go to he hospital for checkups. This causes many diseases to go untreated or undiagnosed. Reducing quality of life and increase the odds of communicable disease.
3. The armed services, retired persons, and all members of the government have state funded health care. Seems to be doing a damn good job. The government also manages to provide roads, police, fire, water, electricity, gas, and other amenities just fine. But somehow health care is just too complicated for people to figure out.
4. People have no problem increasing taxes to invade Iraq, or put unnecessary scanners in airports, or other pointless shit.
5. We pay for it by not giving tax breaks to the wealthy or companies that outsource employment, or by not invading other countries, or not bailing out wall street executives, or paying congress so damn much.
6. I would rather have a doctor who wants to help people instead of one that wants a new Lexus.
7. So the rest of the civilized world has no problem with state funded healthcare but we're too stupid to figure it out.
So you can call me a socialist or liberal or Marxist or whatever. I don't give a shit. Health care is not a privilege. Health care, education, and a safe place to live are basic human rights, and Tom Paine agrees with me.
1. How much is a human life worth? Every single person who says its too much money please tell me.
2. Sure if you call 911 the hospital can't refuse you. However, people without health insurance are more likely to not go to he hospital for checkups. This causes many diseases to go untreated or undiagnosed. Reducing quality of life and increase the odds of communicable disease.
3. The armed services, retired persons, and all members of the government have state funded health care. Seems to be doing a damn good job. The government also manages to provide roads, police, fire, water, electricity, gas, and other amenities just fine. But somehow health care is just too complicated for people to figure out.
4. People have no problem increasing taxes to invade Iraq, or put unnecessary scanners in airports, or other pointless shit.
5. We pay for it by not giving tax breaks to the wealthy or companies that outsource employment, or by not invading other countries, or not bailing out wall street executives, or paying congress so damn much.
6. I would rather have a doctor who wants to help people instead of one that wants a new Lexus.
7. So the rest of the civilized world has no problem with state funded healthcare but we're too stupid to figure it out.
So you can call me a socialist or liberal or Marxist or whatever. I don't give a shit. Health care is not a privilege. Health care, education, and a safe place to live are basic human rights, and Tom Paine agrees with me.
The US pays 15% of GDP on healthcare doesn't it?Blind Sight said:
I can't recall if we beat Canada or just barely lose.
Either way you get Universal healthcare out of either spending just as much or less than us.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:International_Comparison_-_Healthcare_spending_as_%25_GDP.png
Nobody is against free health care. If health was absolutely free, nobody would have any issue with it. Free health care isn't free. It costs money. That's why people don't want it.
I personally have no issue with it, but that's because I'm poor as shit and came from a family that was poor as shit. I'd love it if rich jerks got taxed out the ass to pay for my hospital bills.
I personally have no issue with it, but that's because I'm poor as shit and came from a family that was poor as shit. I'd love it if rich jerks got taxed out the ass to pay for my hospital bills.