Why do some people think free healthcare is bad?

[Cerrida]

Socialism, not communism. The Nazis were socialists; the Chinese and Russians were communist. The difference is that in socialism, the government controls the private money. You have government corporations, one giant government-run mall, etc. Classes still exist, you just give your money to different people. Communism is a classless society in which everyone has the same thing and no one's allowed any extras or freedom.
I'm against socialist health care because I believe the government should be small enough to be held accountable. I don't think the people who drafted the Constitution wanted another giant government that would take away their freedom. I hate health care as it stands, especially since Obama's about to make us all have it, but I don't think this is the answer. Regulate the insurance companies, streamline the billing process, and squash fake malpractice suits.

Here's a fun link for some extra reading: http://boortz.com/

 

[GundamSentinel]

Either you pay taxes, or you pay insurance. Personally, I prefer taxes, the government isn't there to make a profit...

 

[chiefohara]

Americans pay for the Police, they pay for the military, They pay for the firebrigades, they pay for infrastructure....

A combination of Public and private healthcare WORKS everywhere else in the world.

Americans paid over 3 Trillion dollars for the invasion of Iraq
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/07/AR2008030702846.html

Massive ammounts of that went straight into the pockets of organisations like Halliburton who made the US military pay twice the going rate for its costs.

Yet by and large ye said nothing and re-elected the guy who approved all this.

Someone whispers Universal Healthcare and there a small revolution on your hands

This guy wrote a book on all the things ye could have done with just 1 trillion.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theworldnewser/2008/10/a-trillion-doll.html

And this is not even counting Afghanistan

 

[Vryyk]

People should be free to make the choices they want with their own earnings. That being said, decent people should endeavor to help their fellow man of their own volition. Strong-arming people into giving their money away is inefficient (government has trouble running things on that scale) and strips us of our chance to do the right thing because we actually want to. If people feel strongly about the small minority who slip through the cracks, then they should do something about it themselves, not wait for the government to make a hamfisted attempt at it.

 

[chiefohara]

Rate Americans are paying for their healthcare compared to the rest of the world.

http://boingboing.net/2010/01/25/the-cost-of-health-c.html

 

[guntotingtomcat]

Errr... How is paying for Health via taxes different from paying it direct to the insurance companies?

Because everyone pays less, the poor can afford it, the homeless get treated, the money goes to doctors, not insurance companies. And the system is at least fair on everyone. Sure, we all pay, but at least we all pay the same percentage.

 

[guntotingtomcat]

Rate Americans are paying for their healthcare compared to the rest of the world.

http://boingboing.net/2010/01/25/the-cost-of-health-c.html

Lol, America sucks! South Korea are better!

 

[Dasmaster]

Many seam too agree that the government cant handle healthcare because they suck. Then i wonder how they handle police, fire departments, schools, going to the toilet and not the least the army.

Why dont you americans actually cut military spending which will definitely give enough for free healthcare, schools etc.. and still have enough over for actual tax cuts?

 

[DTWolfwood]

free? when is it ever free?

Im on board if they raise all taxed across all tax brackets to the appropriate lvls to give everyone healthcare that is good

OR

Stop taxing me if you are gonna half ass it and just have it so everyone needs to get their own. Either through their employer or whatever they save on taxes can be used to pay for private insurance.

 

[Verlander]

I love it when people who know fuck all about the NHS talk trash about it.

People hate free healthcare, because in countries where there is none, the citizens are selfish arrogant bastards who think they know the world, but actually enjoy letting over the top capitalism destroy peoples lives. You can't hate people for being ignorant however

OK, massive over generalisation. Put it this way- ques aren't massive in the NHS, taxes pay for health care, everyone gets it, and if you don't like the quality you can pay for private health care at the old cost. The only people who loose out are the fat cats making money off of peoples suffering. In my mind, by refusing to treat people who don't have money/insurance, they are breaking the Hippocratic oath, and should be banned from practicing medicine.

America can't do ANYTHING (even war) without there being a monetary gain though, so it won't ever happen properly. Sometimes I wish there were more countries near them who invaded them once in a while. Then the community over there would have a proper history, and their society would have evolved in a similar way to the rest of the world, and they might develop more of social conscience. Again, another massive over generalisation

 

[Thanato5]

It's not bad. It's just not economically viable. Every country that has it (except Canada) is either re-examining its implementation or has a nonviable economy.

hmm maybe check some sources before you spout nonsense?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_system Granted wikipedia isn't the best but it's better then a baseless remark.

 

[Thanato5]

Rate Americans are paying for their healthcare compared to the rest of the world.

http://boingboing.net/2010/01/25/the-cost-of-health-c.html

Lol, America sucks! South Korea are better!

what's even more interesting is the article linked in that:
http://slacktivist.typepad.com/slacktivist/2010/01/stop-demanding-that-you-get-screwed.html

 

[amucha98]

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[PhiMed]

It's not bad. It's just not economically viable. Every country that has it (except Canada) is either re-examining its implementation or has a nonviable economy.

hmm maybe check some sources before you spout nonsense?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_system Granted wikipedia isn't the best but it's better then a baseless remark.

I'm not sure what a link to a free source article on health care in general is supposed to mean. Did you want me to know what the definition of "health care system" is? You know that references are supposed to have a purpose, right?

 

[Tipsy Giant]

First this should be in R&P

Secondly because its EXTREMELY expensive. And as most people know government does a shitty job at running it. So much waste and financial burden on a country.

We need to face it whether you live in the USA which has great quality of medicine and procedures but not coverage

In Canada, the UK or many European countries that have free health care yet you end up waiting a very long time (sometimes too long)

Some people will be left out in the cold.

It is impossible to get everyone the best health care. Life isn't fair and you need to accept that.

The only thing we can rely on is the generosity of others.

First of all America has one of the lowest quality of medicine and procedures and the UK and Canada have some of the highest.

here is the one fact no-one seems to ever understand IT IS CHEAPER AND BETTER QUALITY WHEN RUN BY GOVERNMENT

The only reason it is frowned upon in America is because they want to keep the industry as it lines the pockets of the influential

 

[Tipsy Giant]

It's not bad. It's just not economically viable. Every country that has it (except Canada) is either re-examining its implementation or has a nonviable economy.

People freeze to death. Free housing would save them. Is being against free housing robbing people of life?

People starve to death. Is being against free food for everyone robbing people of life?

It'd be great if single payer health care would work everywhere, but it just won't.

and capitalist run healthcare is in every country with a viable economy?

Just look at the state America is in, if they make a profit selling healthcare, they are overcharging

 

[Canadamus Prime]

The thing is "free healthcare" is a misnomer. It isn't free healthcare, you pay for it with your tax dollars just like the upkeep of roads and public education and anything else that's run by the government. It's not actually "free healthcare" it's "public healthcare", "public" as in run by the government.

 

[Thanato5]

It's not bad. It's just not economically viable. Every country that has it (except Canada) is either re-examining its implementation or has a nonviable economy.

hmm maybe check some sources before you spout nonsense?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_system Granted wikipedia isn't the best but it's better then a baseless remark.

I'm not sure what a link to a free source article on health care in general is supposed to mean. Did you want me to know what the definition of "health care system" is? You know that references are supposed to have a purpose, right?

scroll down mate. it has a list of all countries and their implementation of their health care. most countries have a viable economy and even those that make changes to the system certainly will not do away with it because for all intents and purposes it works. you'll hear plenty people moan about the NHS here but the one thing you will not hear is that they'd rather it wasn't there.