why does call of duty get so much hate?

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Kahunaburger

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SiskoBlue said:
There are plenty of examples of people hating something simply becauses it's hugely popular;
Angry Birds, Twilight, CoD, Mario/Zelda/Nintendo, Xbox, Sony, Titanic, Dances with Wolves, the list goes on.
People don't dislike Twilight because it's popular, they dislike it because it is badly written. People don't dislike Titanic because it's popular, they dislike it because it's a bloated movie that derails an interesting historical story for a maudlin romance. People don't dislike Dances with Wolves because it's popular, they dislike it because it's a bloated Kevin Costner ego project that's also kind of racist.

Like, I get that you read a couple of wikipedia articles on intro psych topics and want to apply them, but many things are disliked for actual reasons.
 

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-One of the worst (if not THE worst) fanbase in gaming.

-Makes money hand over fist, money that it doesn't deserve.

-Isn't very good. CoD2 and CoD4 were the only "good" ones, and they weren't spectacular.

-Lazy. Despite having the biggest brand power in the industry, titanic profit margins and the biggest company behind it, it doesn't update or improve or innovate. Same engine, same visuals, same poor story, same unbalanced, easy and boring multiplayer, same yearly release.
 

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Lumber Barber said:
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TheKasp said:
Ehm, the Twilight movies are bad
Aaannnddd you lost every single ounce of credibility you could have had. You don't get to decide what is good or bad for other people. Sorry. Sit down, get off your pedestal, and stop trying to act like art isn't subjective.
CoD is not art, just like most video games. However, you are right in that it's still completely subjective.
What is and isn't art is as subjective a question as 'what is funny?'
 

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It's not as simple as either side makes it out to be.

1st off, what your describing is not innovation. It is iteration. Games generally get better by doing one of 2 things. One, by coming up with new, interesting, untested idea to grow the set of possibilities in play. The other is to take existing ideas and tweak and tune them to make it something better. Both are difficult to do right, and create fantastic games. But we live in a world where innovation can seem like a distant dream. It's not so much that people think that CoD is unoriginal in and of itself, it's that so many other games reject the very important component of innovation because Call of Duty is so successful. Of course, that's a problem with the industry, not Call of Duty. Complaining about CoD for its stagnation is kind of like being forced to eat nothing but Dominos, Little Ceasers, and Pizza Hut for a month, and then walking into a mom and pop pizza shop and screaming at the owner, "I'M SICK OF FRICKEN PIZZA!".

Of course, CoD is not a stranger to innovation. If you take the original Modern Warfare, there was a lot of innovation going. I seem to remember some comments about how it was a refreshingly down to earth game that finally broke away from the over-saturated WWII shooter market. But that was 5 games ago. Multiplayer may receive tweaks and variations, but it is all variants of the same core aestetic, and easy for a person who is not hardcore into the multiplayer to not appreciate as being worth $60. The other problem is that CoD does this thing where the single player portion is great, but very short. The game can end up being judged based on that limited content. CoD succeeds because of the combination of short but sweet campaign, interesting side content like Spec Ops or Zombies, and a refinement of the multiplayer as one giant package. But take each of those individually and you have a criminally short game, the equivalent of an extra content DVD, and a tweaking that can only be appreciated by hardcore fans

Also, CoD is accessible, focusing on mass appeal. This is not bad, but it does undermine a sense of community. Its a fallacy that appealing to a larger market must take away from the smaller market. Also, that appeal comes from a very different sort of dyamic then most gamers are used to in their shooters. While a casual gamer can accept a sudden death from half way across the map as a realistic portrayal of real guns, and dismiss deaths from killstreak rewards as a part of the chaotic nature of battles, core gamers are instead reminded of taking clip after clip to the face in older shooters, where all fights are determined on the ground level, and feel like they are the victim of cheap tactics.Its the same sort of thinking that leads to older people dismissing games as a new medium. We don't like it because its not what we are used to. To enjoy CoD, you have to accept it on its terms. Casual players can do that with ease, and most core gamers can with various degrees of difficulty. But the most entrenched can't, and this could be seen as either stubbornness or personal taste.

Also, Call of Duty has a bad community because its so popular. It's inevitable. Most games are fine, but the bad experiences are more memorable. But that is a drop in the bucket. Other games have there trolls, if perhaps less blatent. Community is certainly a complaint, but really, I suspect that it is a complaint that gets tacked on after a person decides that they don't like the rest of the game.
 

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Honestly I think a better question is why CoD gets so much love.

Think about it. consistently some of the best selling games as well as the most pirated games. Yet there has been essentially nothing different about the last 4-5 installments and narrative is a 5-10 hour non event.

Seriously, there is nothing to justify having this much love and affection for a property that has sold millions at full price multiple times for just rehashing their product.
 

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Because of its fans.

Very young, immature fan base. I teach in a middle school and the instant my students find out I'm a gamer, the immediate question is, "Do you play Call of Duty?". CoD games are the one game they all seem to have.
 

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I hate the fans. When CoD fans ask me if I've got it and I say 'No' I may as well have farted in their mouth.

I then get a 15 minute lecture in how playing anything else makes me a loser. If a game has story it's for 'pussies' and that I need to go and buy it, even though it's the same as the last.

Also it's making everyone aspire to be CoD. No-one will do what Saints Row did and try to make a game that's similar but totally different. You just get Battlefield 'totally not MW3'
 

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I think people just need to chill out. Some people like CoD, some people don't. That doesn't mean people should insult the game or the fans. Hatred toward any game, fanbase, musician, book, movie, etc. all sounds the same to me. Just because you don't like and you don't understand why other people like it, doesn't mean you need to hate it. Don't play it. Don't listen to it. Don't read it. Don't watch it. Calm. The fuck. Down. I understand the frustration with the business side of things, but that's not the game's fault, is it? People like it, so the publishers are taking advantage of that. It happens. Please tell me if I'm wrong because I don't understand it either.

Captcha: geez louise
 

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I don't think Call of Cuty is one of the best games, but they're damn good. They have tight controls, wonderful graphics/framerate, and the single player mode is entertaining.

Multiplayer is average for me, but certaintly not bad.

What I would like to see is a survival horror game which utilizes the Call of Duty engine. The dark/stormy levels of the Modern Warfare series were always my favorite parts. A horror game would have tremendous potential.
 

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I hate Call of Duty simply because the series is the poster child of everything about current gaming that I despise. That pretty much sums it up
 

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I played quite a bit of Black Ops awhile back but honestly I still hate CoD and it's mostly the community. It's not even the screaming 12 year olds, cause they really seem to be the minority. It's just the all around douchebaggery of a large portion of the fan base. They throw around more racial slurs than a clan meeting and try to act as macho as possible as to not seem 'gay' or whatever these crazy teens are saying now. They rage when they lose and just ***** and call people hackers because they take the game way too seriously.

And please stop with it being innovative. I've played since CoD4 and nothing has changed. I don't really mind because its whatever for me, if it works it works. But don't lie to yourself that it's changing vastly every year, cause it's not.
 

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Grey Day for Elcia said:
TheKasp said:
Ehm, the Twilight movies are bad
Aaannnddd you lost every single ounce of credibility you could have had. You don't get to decide what is good or bad for other people. Sorry. Sit down, get off your pedestal, and stop trying to act like art isn't subjective.
Nonsense. He even went so far as to present evidence supporting his opinion - are you denying him his opinion? You can't even present a counter-argument, and you denounce him with completely unnecessary vehemence. Most uncivilised. Perhaps you should adjust your opinion of your own comments' value before attacking that of others.

Grey Day for Elcia said:
No one hates Call of Duty.

Lots of people dislike pointless threads.
This is the internet. There's ALWAYS someone. It's not hard to find people who are happy to hate on CoD.
HarryScull said:
If it wasn't good it wouldn't be popular, i can see why some people may personally dislike the game but to call it a bad game is probably wrong
Flawed argument. After all, America re-elected George W Bush and he was hardly a 'good' president, people regularly eat too much bad food and give themselves health problems, and many people get themselves into debt by spending too much credit.

If so many people do these things, surely they must be 'good', right? Otherwise why would they do it? Ignorance, perhaps, or being miss-led. Perhaps they put their faith in things working out for the better if they just persist, perhaps they don't know of any other way, or perhaps they just do what their friends/family do and never think of questioning the status quo?

CoD is base in its appeal, simple in its gameplay, shallow in its message, it dominates the market through successful marketing to a particular demographic and its influence is felt in many unrelated games, normally to their detriment and simplification. It doesn't set out to do anything special, which is fine on its own, but as a yearly sequel promoting mass mediocracy it becomes a huge detriment to the progression of the game industry, and its profitability encourages the proliferation of its business model. Creativity shouldn't be the sole responsibility of indie studios, and CoD has become the symbol of big publisher stagnation.
 

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It's simple, Modern Warfare 2 threw logical story telling and balanced multiplayer out the window and now it's a visual representation games being made to make money..
 

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Wicky_42 said:
Grey Day for Elcia said:
TheKasp said:
Ehm, the Twilight movies are bad
Aaannnddd you lost every single ounce of credibility you could have had. You don't get to decide what is good or bad for other people. Sorry. Sit down, get off your pedestal, and stop trying to act like art isn't subjective.
Nonsense. He even went so far as to present evidence supporting his opinion - are you denying him his opinion? You can't even present a counter-argument, and you denounce him with completely unnecessary vehemence. Most uncivilised. Perhaps you should adjust your opinion of your own comments' value before attacking that of others.

Grey Day for Elcia said:
No one hates Call of Duty.

Lots of people dislike pointless threads.
This is the internet. There's ALWAYS someone. It's not hard to find people who are happy to hate on CoD.
HarryScull said:
If it wasn't good it wouldn't be popular, i can see why some people may personally dislike the game but to call it a bad game is probably wrong
Flawed argument. After all, America re-elected George W Bush and he was hardly a 'good' president, people regularly eat too much bad food and give themselves health problems, and many people get themselves into debt by spending too much credit.

If so many people do these things, surely they must be 'good', right? Otherwise why would they do it? Ignorance, perhaps, or being miss-led. Perhaps they put their faith in things working out for the better if they just persist, perhaps they don't know of any other way, or perhaps they just do what their friends/family do and never think of questioning the status quo?

CoD is base in its appeal, simple in its gameplay, shallow in its message, it dominates the market through successful marketing to a particular demographic and its influence is felt in many unrelated games, normally to their detriment and simplification. It doesn't set out to do anything special, which is fine on its own, but as a yearly sequel promoting mass mediocracy it becomes a huge detriment to the progression of the game industry, and its profitability encourages the proliferation of its business model. Creativity shouldn't be the sole responsibility of indie studios, and CoD has become the symbol of big publisher stagnation.
His arguments were invalid as art is subjective. I no more need to present evidence against that than I do to prove someone wrong if they were to claim yellow isn't a colour.

Also, no one hates Call of Duty. Some dislike, some think it's shit, but no one on Earth hates Call of Duty. They might use the word, but they fail to grasp it's meaning. Hate is for rapists and murderers. Hate is for Hitler. Hate is what you feel towards someone who breaks into your house and steals everything you own. No one hates a video game.
 

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Grey Day for Elcia said:
His arguments were invalid as art is subjective. I no more need to present evidence against that than I do to prove someone wrong if they were to claim yellow isn't a colour.

Also, no one hates Call of Duty. Some dislike, some think it's shit, but no one on Earth hates Call of Duty. They might use the word, but they fail to grasp it's meaning. Hate is for rapists and murderers. Hate is for Hitler. Hate is what you feel towards someone who breaks into your house and steals everything you own. No one hates a video game.
Hate is subjective, therefore your argument is invalid. I don't have to present "evidence" or "logic" to back this statement up because I say so. (See what I did there?)
 

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Kahunaburger said:
Grey Day for Elcia said:
His arguments were invalid as art is subjective. I no more need to present evidence against that than I do to prove someone wrong if they were to claim yellow isn't a colour.

Also, no one hates Call of Duty. Some dislike, some think it's shit, but no one on Earth hates Call of Duty. They might use the word, but they fail to grasp it's meaning. Hate is for rapists and murderers. Hate is for Hitler. Hate is what you feel towards someone who breaks into your house and steals everything you own. No one hates a video game.
Hate is subjective, therefore your argument is invalid. I don't have to present "evidence" or "logic" to back this statement up because I say so. (See what I did there?)
People like to throw the word around, but no one actually hates much. Example: you don't hate the walk to school. You dislike it. You don't hate the president. You think he's an idiot. You don't hate that band. You think they suck.

It's one of those words people have used so much its meaning has become commonly misunderstood. Not unlike angst--angst means anxious and afraid, having nothing at all to do with emo teens.
 

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Basically,
Every year there's another one and it's barely any different to the one released the year before; it's just a rehash. Yet it will still get hyped to the max, outsell all the other games whose respective developers spent much more time on in order to make them much longer lasting, more detailed, more immersive and more creative, despite having the same astronomical price tag (if not, a higher one).
Then the CoD fans are douchebags who refuse to play anything other than that or FIFA and vote for them en masse in user voted awards so they win just because of their popularity, and act like utter cunts to people who play other games and try to explain why they dislike CoD/Activision for milking it, or how popularity=/=quality. Then there's all the high review scores they get from game critics who've obviously been put up to it.
And the actual games are pretty crappy. The campaign mode is unforgivably short and I've played much better multiplayers on games which were primarily single player in the first place.
And I'm pretty sure CoD, or at least the mentality behind the franchise, led to the butchering of my beloved Halo series, turning it into what it is today.