why does call of duty get so much hate?

[Kahunaburger]

His arguments were invalid as art is subjective. I no more need to present evidence against that than I do to prove someone wrong if they were to claim yellow isn't a colour.

Also, no one hates Call of Duty. Some dislike, some think it's shit, but no one on Earth hates Call of Duty. They might use the word, but they fail to grasp it's meaning. Hate is for rapists and murderers. Hate is for Hitler. Hate is what you feel towards someone who breaks into your house and steals everything you own. No one hates a video game.

Hate is subjective, therefore your argument is invalid. I don't have to present "evidence" or "logic" to back this statement up because I say so. (See what I did there?)

People like to throw the word around, but no one actually hates much. Example: you don't hate the walk to school. You dislike it. You don't hate the president. You think he's an idiot. You don't hate that band. You think they suck.

It's one of those words people have used so much its meaning has become commonly misunderstood. Not unlike angst--angst means anxious and afraid, having nothing at all to do with emo teens.

Hate and angst are subjective, therefore your argument is invalid. I no more need to present evidence against than than I do to prove someone wrong if they were to claim yellow isn't a colour.

 

[Xaio30]

I think the games are fun. Not worth the price tag, but still fun as an action flick on a rainy day.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

His arguments were invalid as art is subjective. I no more need to present evidence against that than I do to prove someone wrong if they were to claim yellow isn't a colour.

Also, no one hates Call of Duty. Some dislike, some think it's shit, but no one on Earth hates Call of Duty. They might use the word, but they fail to grasp it's meaning. Hate is for rapists and murderers. Hate is for Hitler. Hate is what you feel towards someone who breaks into your house and steals everything you own. No one hates a video game.

Hate is subjective, therefore your argument is invalid. I don't have to present "evidence" or "logic" to back this statement up because I say so. (See what I did there?)

People like to throw the word around, but no one actually hates much. Example: you don't hate the walk to school. You dislike it. You don't hate the president. You think he's an idiot. You don't hate that band. You think they suck.

It's one of those words people have used so much its meaning has become commonly misunderstood. Not unlike angst--angst means anxious and afraid, having nothing at all to do with emo teens.

Hate and angst are subjective, therefore your argument is invalid. I no more need to present evidence against than than I do to prove someone wrong if they were to claim yellow isn't a colour.

I guess we gotta agree to disagree.

 

[Cecilthedarkknight_234]

Takes a deep breath and says something nice.. It's popular there for it's bad mentality. "Also if everyone else online hates so do I and I will not form any opinion by not playing the said game just because I watched a video review etc"

Listen I personally have nothing agaisnt call of duty I like guns, I also like multiplayer online games since I have a few decent friends to play with. However what I do not like is the extra 40-60 dollars they sneak for map packs that you will eventually have to buy if you want to keep playing the game online or you will be left out in the cold. The last CoD game i did this for was World at War and I still play that online with a few buddies but I haven't bought any new game in the franchise since then. This is my legit reason for not buying anymore CoD games.

 

[Kahunaburger]

His arguments were invalid as art is subjective. I no more need to present evidence against that than I do to prove someone wrong if they were to claim yellow isn't a colour.

Also, no one hates Call of Duty. Some dislike, some think it's shit, but no one on Earth hates Call of Duty. They might use the word, but they fail to grasp it's meaning. Hate is for rapists and murderers. Hate is for Hitler. Hate is what you feel towards someone who breaks into your house and steals everything you own. No one hates a video game.

Hate is subjective, therefore your argument is invalid. I don't have to present "evidence" or "logic" to back this statement up because I say so. (See what I did there?)

People like to throw the word around, but no one actually hates much. Example: you don't hate the walk to school. You dislike it. You don't hate the president. You think he's an idiot. You don't hate that band. You think they suck.

It's one of those words people have used so much its meaning has become commonly misunderstood. Not unlike angst--angst means anxious and afraid, having nothing at all to do with emo teens.

Hate and angst are subjective, therefore your argument is invalid. I no more need to present evidence against than than I do to prove someone wrong if they were to claim yellow isn't a colour.

I guess we gotta agree to disagree.

Disagreement is subjective, therefore your argument is invalid. I no more need to present evidence against it than I do to prove someone wrong if they were to claim yellow isn't a colour.

 

[HarryScull]

Honestly I think a better question is why CoD gets so much love.

Think about it. consistently some of the best selling games as well as the most pirated games. Yet there has been essentially nothing different about the last 4-5 installments and narrative is a 5-10 hour non event.

Seriously, there is nothing to justify having this much love and affection for a property that has sold millions at full price multiple times for just rehashing their product.

they have a very large target audience and make games that suit that audience very well (like almost all high selling games from cod to angry birds), its not rocket surgery

also you dont need to get people to love your game for it to sell just to convince them that its worth £40, i personally love the cod games (for reasons i cant be bothered to explain, or defend from any flame warriors) but i'd say that 99% of the people who play them just like them, the odd day after school or weekend they play afew matches with some friends and enjoy themselves and thats the extent of their fandom

 

[LittleJoeRambler]

I personally liked MW2's multiplayer better than MW3's, but that was mostly because the vast majority of my time in MW2 was spent after Black Ops came out, so there were fewer douchebags around (they having moved to Black Ops), and I'd often run across the same people frequently, so it was almost like an impromptu private match.

The folks that played Search and Destroy more than TDM also, oddly, tended to be a little friendlier than the average CoD player. Lots of GLHF's, NS's and GG's pretty much every match, and while that's not really what you could call "civil," it was a much nicer place than anything I ever played in Black Ops or MW3.

And as far as it being generic, well, that's only partially CoD's fault. The fact that they keep making the same game over and over again definitely needs to stop, but the fact that it's hard to differentiate between the CoDs, MoHs and BFs isn't entirely CoD's fault. It's logical that businesses would see that Game X makes lots of money, and so decide to make a game very similar to Game X. Game X can't be blamed for its own success and the fact that people copy it, taking mechanics (like regenerating health and cover-based combat) or plot points (how many nuclear warheads is Russia missing now?). Long story short: repeated iterations are a flaw, knock offs and copies are just businesses being businesses. CoD is guilty of the first, but people do have the option to not buy those games.

 

[Steven Gaines]

Those were all shipped with a console or hand held.

I even enjoy the CoD titles, but I fucking hate that they're the bestselling titles of all time.

Modern Warfare 1 - 5-10 million across platforms
Modern Warfare 2 - 10-15 million across platforms
Black Ops - 15-20 million across platforms.


The Sims - 15 million (PC Only)

Tetris - 30 million (Gameboy)

Super Mario Bros. - 40 million (NES)

Wii Sports - 76 million (Wii)

Those are just a few cherry picked examples. I'm not even touching mobile phone games like Angry Birds because they're really in their own category. There's lots of games like Starcraft, WoW, Halo, etc that are all competitive with Call of Duty, to say nothing of the MANY Wii titles and Nintendo properties and Pokemon games that handily outstrip it.

So...sleep easy my friend. They're not even close to being the bestselling titles of all time.

They are all shipped with a console. But sims You are counting the entire franchise

 

[BloatedGuppy]

They are all shipped with a console. But sims You are counting the entire franchise

No, I was already corrected on the "games shipping with consoles" front.

Sims though, that is NOT the whole franchise, that's just the first one. Sims is one of if not the best-selling PC game of all time.

 

[Deathmageddon]

Because it's a black hole of money, development time, attention, money, advertisement, time, innovation, progress, money, time, etc.

From an economic standpoint, hating a product because people in the private sector and consumers spend money on it is kind of backward. The black hole metaphor is also wrong. If one person makes money, they spend it (or invest it, which is also good, but this isn't Econ 101), and someone else makes money. Eventually, everyone gets paid. Just like Starbucks, COD meets a demand. It makes less than no sense to criticize the devs for meeting it.

You say COD is a waste of innovation- what would you prefer they work on? Curing cancer? They're hardly qualified... but they know shooters. Why should they not try to make their products better?

By definition, all recreational activities are a waste of time.

Personally, I like COD because the single-player is great, and while the multiplayer gets laggy, it's very well made and fun. As for the community, it's no worse than the internet in general. If you don't like talking to 12 year olds, turn off your mic, mute some people, and don't blame the game for the people who play it.

 

[Gorilla Gunk]

Every year people say they won't buy CoD and every year the games break sales records.

Some of you are liars.

 

[Major Chip]

It's a bog standard FPS that became massively popular, I'd say that the hate largely comes from stereotyping the fanbase. People view Cod players as chavs (or trailer trash, bla bla) or annoying children, the game is viewed as a generic shooter for idiots, so together the game has a bullseye painted over it for all the 'comic book guys' of the world.

Sort of like how everyone playing Halo is instantly viewed as having bad hygiene. I play all games, if they're decent.

 

[zombieshark6666]

Because it's a black hole of money, development time, attention, money, advertisement, time, innovation, progress, money, time, etc.

From an economic standpoint, hating a product because people in the private sector and consumers spend money on it is kind of backward. The black hole metaphor is also wrong. If one person makes money, they spend it (or invest it, which is also good, but this isn't Econ 101), and someone else makes money. Eventually, everyone gets paid. Just like Starbucks, COD meets a demand. It makes less than no sense to criticize the devs for meeting it.

You say COD is a waste of innovation- what would you prefer they work on? Curing cancer? They're hardly qualified... but they know shooters. Why should they not try to make their products better?

By definition, all recreational activities are a waste of time.

Personally, I like COD because the single-player is great, and while the multiplayer gets laggy, it's very well made and fun. As for the community, it's no worse than the internet in general. If you don't like talking to 12 year olds, turn off your mic, mute some people, and don't blame the game for the people who play it.

Every time someone pays over 100$/year for their privilege to play a shooting game, humanity loses one year of existence.

But serisously, a yearly remake takes so much effort and ad money away from games that might be interesting. I find it sad.

 

[monkey_man]

Call of duty is basically the same game resold. It's unbalanced and unfair, and once airsupport is up you're basically fucked. you can't walk around without getting spammed to death, everyone plays for himself, and teamwork is regarded as unimportant. There are too many ways to break flow, and it's just bad. Also the spawning is terrible, and you need to fire 200 rounds into someone before they're dead.

I hate call of duty. I can't finish one round happy. someone always spawns too close and fuck me over in a way I couldn't avoid. Or I get screwed by explosives, or snipers, and I am always mad when I quit. I don't mind losing usually, but every loss in a CoD game makes me blurt out verbal sewage. Every win makes me overly smug, which impairs my thinking. I can't play without hating myself and the game afterwards.

So there.

 

[verdant monkai]

this is something i do not understand, people dislike a whole host of games but none get as much negative attention thrown at it as call of duty, and i was wondering why? i personally like call of duty, but can see why some people might not like it and many people bring up valid points but is it really worth thinking about it so much and hazing it so much more than other games, and why you cant make a thread on it without 1/2 the comments being "i hate call of duty!" when if a thread pops about about a different unpopular game (for example fifa) most people just ignore it

i personally think its basically because the game is popular/successful and that through a combination of that and some evil business strategies it makes a huge amount of money but i was wondering what the escapist's think?


off topic i'd like to clear up some misconceptions that particularly annoy me.
1. call of duty isnt innovative: i can see why people think this, but it is untrue, as someone who has played call of duty competitively i can tell you that although it keeps the same base mechanics from each game but other than that is vastly different (like a good squeal should be) in terms of single player its often a case of SSDD but that is not what most people buy/play it for and judging black ops 2 on its single player is like judging mass effect 3 on its online.

2. most call of duty players are 12 year old douchebags: again from playing competitively most call of duty players are 16-18 and a regular bunch of people, the odd troll or 12 year old get in but pointing at them and using it as the stereotype for the cod community is like claiming that gamers in general are basement dwellers

Its the fans everyone hates, I understand that not all CoD players are bad people and like you said most are normal.
There are twelve year olds and trolls who play it yes, but generally in Britain at least these games seem to be catering to a very distinct social group CHAVS (British for scum). Basically it seems only one type of person plays these games and they generally divide their time between loitering/smoking/vodka and prison, and the rest of the time they play call of duty.

Which is sad because this means in my school CoD is generally associated with being a Chav, so therefore few of my friends have played it. I have not played it and I dont think I will it just isn't "fantasy" enough for me.

So yeah basically it is the fans that give this game a bad reputation.

 

[hermes]

Because COD is popular. We are nerds. And nerds hate on popular things...

You do the math.

 

[Toby Kitching]

I'm sorry, but anybody arguing that COD is innovative is laughably off the mark. Nothing changes from game to game. they add maybe 2 new mechanics each time round, release it with the same models, textures and engine and call it a new game. the equivalent would be if they released far cry 3 in the same setting with the same graphics and engine, same environments, same weapons, same missions but OMFG YOU CAN THROW THE MACHETE NOW and called it a new game.

By itself, this wouldn't irritate me too much. each to his own and all that. But it's the fact that COD has become this ambassador for gaming, this standard, that pisses me off. essentially, one of the more anodine and boring series is being branded as the target, because of enormous hordes of people buying the games. this is why modern gaming is such a shitpile; everyone is trying to copy COD by setting everything in gray-brown cities in the middle east and having a spec ops team with names like 'ghost' and 'shadow' and shit like that. I think COD represents the death of video games, and i hope they kill the damn thing soon.

/rant.

 

[Lugbzurg]

off topic i'd like to clear up some misconceptions that particularly annoy me.
1. call of duty isnt innovative: i can see why people think this, but it is untrue, as someone who has played call of duty competitively i can tell you that although it keeps the same base mechanics from each game but other than that is vastly different (like a good squeal should be) in terms of single player its often a case of SSDD but that is not what most people buy/play it for and judging black ops 2 on its single player is like judging mass effect 3 on its online.

I love how brought this up, and yet didn't even make the slightest attempt at disproving the claim. You're basically saying...

No, it isn't, 'cause I said so!

It is the same thing over and over again, just with varying settings from time-to-time. In other words, $60 map packs. Not to mention how they take themselves so seriously, and, yet, pull things like regenerating health and, sometimes, some really awful plotholes. Modern Warfare 3 really comes to mind. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/5006-Call-of-Duty-Modern-Warfare-3

Also, Black Ops 2 is currently being judged for it's single-player because that's all they've been showing right now. On top of that, Treyarch is focusing a lot more on the single-player to this game, anyway. Haven't you noticed?
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/117057-All-You-Need-to-Know-About-Black-Ops-II
You don't just go out and hire Batman Begins writer and The Dark Knight story-crafter David Goyer, if the single-player story isn't going to mean that much to you in the game you're developing. And, as a matter of fact, plenty of skeptics (as in, people who hate Call of Duty) are actually saying that this installment looks intriguing.

Your significant lack of research, made up for with random guesses, inability to type proper sentences, referring to the core subject matter as "off topic", and poor logic, notably with avoiding the question, do not at all help your case in any way. In fact, if anything, it only ends up making yourself appear more foolish and the Call of Duty brand, as well. I doubt this is what you would want. But, this is exactly what your words are spelling out to everyone. Do research and use logic. They will get you far.

 

[TheFederation]

they're sexist. name one female character in any of the games

 

[Adultratedhydra]

Because COD is the number 1 example of everything that is wrong with game development. "LETS MAKE THE SAME GAME OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND OCCASIONALLY THROW IN A NEW GUN." What happened to innovation? Cant have any new ideas oh no, that way madness lies.