Why does everyone hate George Bush Jr?

[TheIceface]

I understand what your point was but you seem to have completely missed mine. When talking about his speeches I'm not referring to his tone of voice or pattern of speech as you so incorrectly tried to "satirise" with your Stephen Hawking analogy. I was making reference to the content of his speeches and the remarks he makes not making sense, as if he just opens his mouth and lets the words fall out any which way they please. Such as:

........
If the man can't construct a coherent sentence then I wouldn't want him in the White House.

...Because of course that is the defining characteristic of a good leader, someone who can construct a sentence. You should really be evaluating his decisions with regard to his job and the rest of the world if you want to talk about his faults. Personal attacks about the way he talks or forms a sentence fails to form a coherent sentence just shows that you dislike him rather than his actions.

Do you see what I did there? I made you look like a dick through satire. Now disagreeing with things people do is fine, but judging someones mental capability simply by the way they talk is a bit shallow and conceited. .....but I'd like to think I'm mature enough to be above making fun of the way someone talks in reference to how well they make decisions.)

Nope nothing there that appears as a personal attack to me...[/quote]Well I guess we've established how much of a sense of humor you have, but you are shallow and conceited if you are judging peoples' ability to make decisions on the way they talk. Yes, I am using negative adjectives to specifically define you. I wouldn't call it a personal attack as much as a personal evaluation. I'm evaluating your personal preference in regard to how you judge people. Rather than complaining that I'm a "meany-name-caller", why don't you refute my claims by posting something that shows evidence to the contrary.

 

[Anomynous 167]

You forgot methane gas.

Yes, and I left ozone out, as well.

Both methane and ozone are important greenhouse gases, but CO2 gas and H20 vapor are the main ones.

Most common?

May I clarifie my previous sentence. carbon dioxide is the cause, warming is the effect

Fixed for you.

YOU GOT IT MIXED UP.
Edit: Sorry didn't read later posts ignore this one.

 

[DND Judgement]

i'd say it might have something to do with the fact that he probably couldn't tie his shoe laces or whipe his own arse....

 

[Hunde Des Krieg]

"If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure."
"Republicans understand the importance of bondage between a mother and child."
"Mars is essentially in the same orbit...Mars is somewhat the same distance from the Sun, which is very important. We have seen pictures where there are canals, we believe, and water. If there is water, that means there is oxygen. If oxygen, that means we can breathe."
"I believe we are on an irreversible trend toward more freedom and democracy - but that could change."
"One word sums up probably the responsibility of any Governor, and that one word is 'to be prepared'."
"Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things."
"I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the future."
"The future will be better tomorrow."
"We're going to have the best educated American people in the world."
"People that are really very weird can get into sensitive positions and have a tremendous impact on history."
"I stand by all the misstatements that I've made."
"We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a part of NATO. We have a firm commitment to Europe. We are a part of Europe."
"Public speaking is very easy."
"I am not part of the problem. I am a Republican"
"A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls."
"When I have been asked who caused the riots and the killing in LA my answer has been direct & simple:
Who is to blame for the riots?
The rioters are to blame.
Who is to blame for the killings?
The killers are to blame."
"Illegitimacy is something we should talk about in terms of not having it."
"We are ready for any unforeseen event that may or may not occur."
"For NASA, space is still a high priority."
"Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our children."
"The American people would not want to know of any misquotes that George Bush may or may not make."
"We're all capable of mistakes, but I do not care to enlighten you on the mistakes we may or may not have made."
"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it."


That's why.

Total domination! That was epic!

 

[axia777]

To all those defending George Bush, America laughs at you. He has the LOWEST approval rating of any President since 1937(before that I do not know, but who damn cares). The only one to get close was Trumann with a 22% and Nixon at 24%.

http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Approval_rating

 

[sneakypenguin]

3."America hasn't been attacked since we invaded Iraq."This is the simplest,most idiotic piece of propoganda to come down the pipeline in my lifetime.If you honestly believe that the 5000 dollar a second war on Iraq is the reason this country hasn't been attacked since 2001(Remember it wasn't until 2003 that we invaded.)Then you need to be placed under 24 hour supervised care because you are obviously to stupid to take care of yourself.Personally I would have you sterilized as well to keep you stupidity from infecting future generations.

That is not an idiotic piece of propaganda. No one has said it is THE reason we havn't been attack but that it is A reason we havn't. To deny that creating a new front for them to fight us on has kept the front from being here is just asinine. Geez liberals are not tolerant at all
"you are obviously to stupid to take care of yourself.Personally I would have you sterilized as well to keep you stupidity from infecting future generations."

That statment is just ridiculous, I'm quite successful, and more than capable at taking care of myself. Yet I believe an expanded front has contributed to less attacks.

 

[Pseudonym2]

These are the first things off the top of my head. Sorry I don't have enough time to go look up all the sources. Sorry for any typos. Yes, I hated him when he was still governor. Note these are not exclusive to Bush or even Republicans alone. Also this ignores deeper problems of hegemony but that would take entire books to explain.


9-11 (whether he caused it or just screwed up is irrelevant)

Illegal and immoral war in which thousands of civilians were killed.

Downing street memo
The funds from those wars weren't spent on education or infrastructure, like say, levees.

Abysmal "with us or against us" policies that pissed of the rest of world.

The only world leader in all of recorded history to raise taxes and go to war at the same time.

This lead to record debt. I lost count once we reached a few trillion.

Fired scientists when they came up with results that would be politically bad for him

Advocated torturing innocent people

Blackwater

John Poindexter

Karl Rove

Best friends with Ken "Kenny boy" Lay

Spying and other civil rights abuses including spending $600-million dollars spying of quakers. Infiltrating peaceful anti-war groups but ignoring KKK and actual domestic terrorists.

A new level double speak and Machiavellian phrasing (clean air act, healthy forest initiative)

A new level of secrecy.

Classified millions of unclassified documents

Color coded systems that tell terrorists when we are most prepared.


Push polling

Homophobia

K-street

Tax cuts that benefit the wealthiest fraction of a percent

Environmental deregulation

Supporting dictators

Poor treatment of troops and veterans.

Pandering to the religious right (he announced his run for president at Bob Jones university)

Favored candidates for office based of loyalty. (Heck of a job Micheal Brown!)

Played guitar while people drowned.

Leaking CIA agents WHILE they were on duty.

Stopping innocent people from voting/having their votes counted.


Deregulation, which lead to abusing workers, environment, ect.

Favored gas industry.

Lost 363 tons of money in Iraq.

When he was governor of Texas executed record number of people and did infamous mocking of the people he executed.

Racist anti-drug laws.

He stopped crazy people from getting medicine and when they were arrested he claimed he was saving money and being "tough on crime". (That happened to my uncle)


Drunk driving (4 times for Cheyney)

Got out of having to go to Vietnam yet is still a hawk.

Took a record number of days off.

Lied to SEC

Tricked Texas into paying for his new baseball stadium.

Bankrupted everything he's ever run.

Could not find oil in Texas

Could not have been as "successful" if it were not for his parents.

 

[Sirisaxman]

List

You forgot "did cocaine."

 

[wewontdie11]

I understand what your point was but you seem to have completely missed mine. When talking about his speeches I'm not referring to his tone of voice or pattern of speech as you so incorrectly tried to "satirise" with your Stephen Hawking analogy. I was making reference to the content of his speeches and the remarks he makes not making sense, as if he just opens his mouth and lets the words fall out any which way they please. Such as:

........
If the man can't construct a coherent sentence then I wouldn't want him in the White House.

...Because of course that is the defining characteristic of a good leader, someone who can construct a sentence. You should really be evaluating his decisions with regard to his job and the rest of the world if you want to talk about his faults. Personal attacks about the way he talks or forms a sentence fails to form a coherent sentence just shows that you dislike him rather than his actions.

Do you see what I did there? I made you look like a dick through satire. Now disagreeing with things people do is fine, but judging someones mental capability simply by the way they talk is a bit shallow and conceited. .....but I'd like to think I'm mature enough to be above making fun of the way someone talks in reference to how well they make decisions.)

Nope nothing there that appears as a personal attack to me...

Well I guess we've established how much of a sense of humor you have, but you are shallow and conceited if you are judging peoples' ability to make decisions on the way they talk. Yes, I am using negative adjectives to specifically define you. I wouldn't call it a personal attack as much as a personal evaluation. I'm evaluating your personal preference in regard to how you judge people. Rather than complaining that I'm a "meany-name-caller", why don't you refute my claims by posting something that shows evidence to the contrary.

*sigh* Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this a thread about why people don't like George Bush? I don't like him primarily because he appears very thick, behaves very un-presidentially and as a result of this he is a poor ambassador to the rest of the world and a poor representation of the American people. That is an opinion. My opinion, and I'd prefer you treat it as such, and not try and incite an argument on its behalf.

Perhaps you'd prefer some other more fact based reasons why I'm not a fan.

I also didn't agree with anything he had to do with Iraq, I thought that was a massive error in judgement and resulted in an unnecessary loss of life.

I don't agree with his use of God to try and justify his decisions, politicians and religions shouldn't mix wherever possible because it isn't right that one man not appointed to do so, can make decisions essentially on behalf of a whole religion, by claiming "God told me to do it".

I feel George Bush also doesn't do enough for the environment compared to a lot of other western countries. Already debated with another less inflammatory forum member about Bush and the Kyoto Protocol for example, and I still believe regardless of the slight damage to the economy, he should have signed it simply for the greater good of the planet.

I don't agree with George Bush's "No Child Left Behind" policy by sinking a great deal of funding into trying to make everybody about average rather than making some people excel and unfortunately let some fall a bit behind.

Satisfied with those reasons?

 

[TheIceface]

*sigh* Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this a thread about why people don't like George Bush? I don't like him primarily because he appears very thick, behaves very un-presidentially and as a result of this he is a poor ambassador to the rest of the world and a poor representation of the American people. That is an opinion. My opinion, and I'd prefer you treat it as such, and not try and incite an argument on its behalf.

Perhaps you'd prefer some other more fact based reasons why I'm not a fan.

I also didn't agree with anything he had to do with Iraq, I thought that was a massive error in judgement and resulted in an unnecessary loss of life.

.......

Satisfied with those reasons?

Yeah, I am. I think that people's decisions are a good reason to not like the person, rather than their appearance or speech.

I also disagreed with many things he did, not the least of which, his constant effort to undermine the immigration laws by trying to grant amnesty to the illegal immigrants. What a slap in the face to all the people who actually worked hard to get into the country, the leader of the country basically stating that people who circumvent the legal system should get all the benefits of those who took the time to follow the law.

 

[axia777]

These are the first things off the top of my head. Sorry I don't have enough time to go look up all the sources. Sorry for any typos. Yes, I hated him when he was still governor. Note these are not exclusive to Bush or even Republicans alone. Also this ignores deeper problems of hegemony but that would take entire books to explain.


9-11 (whether he caused it or just screwed up is irrelevant)

Illegal and immoral war in which thousands of civilians were killed.

Downing street memo
The funds from those wars weren't spent on education or infrastructure, like say, levees.

Abysmal "with us or against us" policies that pissed of the rest of world.

The only world leader in all of recorded history to raise taxes and go to war at the same time.

This lead to record debt. I lost count once we reached a few trillion.

Fired scientists when they came up with results that would be politically bad for him

Advocated torturing innocent people

Blackwater

John Poindexter

Karl Rove

Best friends with Ken "Kenny boy" Lay

Spying and other civil rights abuses including spending $600-million dollars spying of quakers. Infiltrating peaceful anti-war groups but ignoring KKK and actual domestic terrorists.

A new level double speak and Machiavellian phrasing (clean air act, healthy forest initiative)

A new level of secrecy.

Classified millions of unclassified documents

Color coded systems that tell terrorists when we are most prepared.


Push polling

Homophobia

K-street

Tax cuts that benefit the wealthiest fraction of a percent

Environmental deregulation

Supporting dictators

Poor treatment of troops and veterans.

Pandering to the religious right (he announced his run for president at Bob Jones university)

Favored candidates for office based of loyalty. (Heck of a job Micheal Brown!)

Played guitar while people drowned.

Leaking CIA agents WHILE they were on duty.

Stopping innocent people from voting/having their votes counted.


Deregulation, which lead to abusing workers, environment, ect.

Favored gas industry.

When he was governor of Texas executed record number of people and did infamous mocking of the people he executed.

Racist anti-drug laws.

He stopped crazy people from getting medicine and when they were arrested he claimed he was saving money and being "tough on crime". (That happened to my uncle)


Drunk driving (4 times for Cheyney)

Got out of having to go to Vietnam yet is still a hawk.

Took a record number of days off.

Lied to SEC

Tricked Texas into paying for his new baseball stadium.

Bankrupted everything he's ever run.

Could not find oil in Texas

Could not have been as "successful" if it were not for his parents.

This is a pretty good list, thank you.

List

You forgot "did cocaine."

If that is on the list you might as well write off a good chunk of American's.

 

[axia777]

Oops, double post....sorry.

 

[Sirisaxman]

I personally believe that most Americans are not fit for the Presidency, so, yeah.

 

[axia777]

I personally believe that most Americans are not fit for the Presidency, so, yeah.

Nor should most people in any country be in a public office as high as being President or the equivalent. Those rolls should be reserved for the best among their respective societies.

 

[Sirisaxman]

I personally believe that most Americans are not fit for the Presidency, so, yeah.

Nor should most people in any country be in a public office as high as being President or the equivalent. Those rolls should be reserved for the best among their respective societies.

If only the world were perfect, that would be the case, unfortunately it's not, and so most people in political office around the world are idiots.

I'm not saying I could do better, hell, I'd probably fuck up pretty badly. However, I'll never get to find out, since I wasn't born in the U.S. so I couldn't run for President even if I wanted to.

 

[Doug]

Well, regardless of whether or not he lied about our reasons for invading Iraq, you have to remember that because of the U.N. resolutions mandating that weapon inspectors be allowed into the country, there was a legal and valid enough reason to attack Iraq. I think they went for the hard sell for reasons that no one on this post will ever know. Don't forget, Clinton attacked Iraq in '98 because of violations of the same resolutions.

........wait, what?

Saddam Hussain was doing his upmost to comply with the U.N resolutions as soon as he it seemed Bush was on a real war path (and can you really blame him? His army was, frankly, vastly inferior in technology, training, and professionalism, and hence no match for the US army). Remember the vast piles of documents the Iraq's provided? The 4 stacks of reports? The fact that the only WMD's he had were sold to him by America and the UK (And probably every other European country).

Honestly, I do think that bring freedom to Iraq was a good thing IN THEORY. But George Bush Jr. (or Double-Ya as I like to call him) isn't and wasn't interested in that. No efforts were made to contain looting post-Saddam (aside from the Iraqi Oil Ministry). In fact, the police force and army were disabanded, encouraging the looting. Reconstruction costs and garrison costs will keep Iraq under the US's thumb for decades, and American construction and oil company CEO's (half of whom Bush knows and worked with) in fatness for years...

Interesting humourous links, with real facts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptzml1qQvZE

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=2566627602964660438&ei=_0AOScmEBpbC2gKHzYzyCw&q=bremner+bird+and+fortune (long one, but detailed - note, the opening shows the situation is reserved with the Chinise and Russians taking the role of the US and UK.

 

[axia777]

The war in Iraq = Oil and political/military leveraging power over the countries in the Middle East.

 

[SilentHunter7]

Because he's the President. Trust me, in 6 months, either Obama or McCain with be the new most hated man in America. That's just how it works.

 

[SkinnySlim]

Because he's the President. Trust me, in 6 months, either Obama or McCain with be the new most hated man in America. That's just how it works.

Thank you, SilentHunter7, that is the most intelligent thing I have read on this post thus far. And, can I just play devil's advocate here (or dubya's advocate), and ask why it is such a bad thing to have a military presence in the middle east? Western culture has maintained a presence there since well before WWI, and a significant portion of the problems facing us today are a result of failures throughout the last 75 years or more. So, hey, I want my country, being my home team, to be strategically placed in such an important location.

 

[indyfan]

People pick on stupidity without realizing how stupid they are themselves