Why does everyone hate George Bush Jr?

[The Iron Ninja]

*ingore this, I just realised how wrong my statement was and deleted it*

 

[Pseudonym2]

And, can I just play devil's advocate here (or dubya's advocate), and ask why it is such a bad thing to have a military presence in the middle east? Western culture has maintained a presence there since well before WWI, and a significant portion of the problems facing us today are a result of failures throughout the last 75 years or more. So, hey, I want my country, being my home team, to be strategically placed in such an important location.

Because it maintaining our presence involves murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent people while simultaneously destroying our economy. I don't want my home team to win at cost of other people.

 

[masterkang5]

LOLOLOLOL@

"Let's make sure that there is certainty during uncertain times in our economy."

i could just imagine that twat with his big goofy grin saying that.

 

[SkinnySlim]

And, can I just play devil's advocate here (or dubya's advocate), and ask why it is such a bad thing to have a military presence in the middle east? Western culture has maintained a presence there since well before WWI, and a significant portion of the problems facing us today are a result of failures throughout the last 75 years or more. So, hey, I want my country, being my home team, to be strategically placed in such an important location.

Because it maintaining our presence involves murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent people while simultaneously destroying our economy. I don't want my home team to win at cost of other people.

Don't get me wrong, I get it, I just don't think people realize that the level of comfort we have come to enjoy in the U.S. has a direct impact on our actions over seas. Look at what the demand for the mineral coltan has done. I'm not saying that this justifies anything that G.W. has done, but it is something that people have to come to grips with.

 

[Hainted]

3."America hasn't been attacked since we invaded Iraq."This is the simplest,most idiotic piece of propoganda to come down the pipeline in my lifetime.If you honestly believe that the 5000 dollar a second war on Iraq is the reason this country hasn't been attacked since 2001(Remember it wasn't until 2003 that we invaded.)Then you need to be placed under 24 hour supervised care because you are obviously to stupid to take care of yourself.Personally I would have you sterilized as well to keep you stupidity from infecting future generations.

That is not an idiotic piece of propaganda. No one has said it is THE reason we havn't been attack but that it is A reason we havn't. To deny that creating a new front for them to fight us on has kept the front from being here is just asinine. Geez liberals are not tolerant at all
"you are obviously to stupid to take care of yourself.Personally I would have you sterilized as well to keep you stupidity from infecting future generations."

That statment is just ridiculous, I'm quite successful, and more than capable at taking care of myself. Yet I believe an expanded front has contributed to less attacks.

You are the first person I've met or been in contact with that said it is a reason and not the reason.So how do you account for the years before 9-11 when we were not attacked by terrorists?
One more thing since you're obviously my mental midget,is this the only thing you can refute in my post?

 

[Ultrajoe]

I believe an expanded front has contributed to less attacks.

The dead soldiers disagree.

 

[Doug]

Because he's the President. Trust me, in 6 months, either Obama or McCain with be the new most hated man in America. That's just how it works.

Thank you, SilentHunter7, that is the most intelligent thing I have read on this post thus far. And, can I just play devil's advocate here (or dubya's advocate), and ask why it is such a bad thing to have a military presence in the middle east? Western culture has maintained a presence there since well before WWI, and a significant portion of the problems facing us today are a result of failures throughout the last 75 years or more. So, hey, I want my country, being my home team, to be strategically placed in such an important location.

Was Clinton hated this much? (well before the whole affair thing came to light).

But regardless, having a military presence in the Middle East would be a good thing. IF you weren't pissing off the locals with it. I.e. you come down ultra hard on vaguely Islamic/Arabic states, but ignore Isareli's illegal and amoral acts. Same with Saudi Araba.

EDIT: fixed the quote

 

[Sirisaxman]

For awhile, our country was being run by Bush, Dick and Colon. Sounds to me like someone's getting fucked in the ass! The American people.

 

[sneakypenguin]

3."America hasn't been attacked since we invaded Iraq."This is the simplest,most idiotic piece
of propoganda to come down the pipeline in my lifetime.If you honestly believe that the 5000 dollar a second war on Iraq is the reason this country hasn't been attacked since 2001(Remember it wasn't until 2003 that we invaded.)Then you need to be placed under 24 hour supervised care because you are obviously to stupid to take care of yourself.Personally I would have you sterilized as well to keep you stupidity from infecting future generations.

That is not an idiotic piece of propaganda. No one has said it is THE reason we havn't been attack but that it is A reason we havn't. To deny that creating a new front for them to fight us on has kept the front from being here is just asinine. Geez liberals are not tolerant at all
"you are obviously to stupid to take care of yourself.Personally I would have you sterilized as well to keep you stupidity from infecting future generations."

That statment is just ridiculous, I'm quite successful, and more than capable at taking care of myself. Yet I believe an expanded front has contributed to less attacks.

You are the first person I've met or been in contact with that said it is a reason and not the reason.So how do you account for the years before 9-11 when we were not attacked by terrorists?
One more thing since you're obviously my mental midget,is this the only thing you can refute in my post?

I highly doubt I am your mental midget so to speak(also let your points show for themselves don't tout your own superiority unless it is an appeal to ethos in which it is then acceptable if not warranted to do so)
In the years before 9/11 we were attacked
United States, January 25: Mir Aimal Kansi, a Pakistani, fires an AK-47 assault rifle into cars waiting at a stoplight in front of the Central Intelligence Agency headquarters, killing two and injuring three others,

United States, February 26 93: World Trade Center bombing kills six and injures over 1000 people, by coalition of five groups: Jamaat Al-Fuqra'/Gamaat Islamiya/Hamas/Islamic Jihad/National Islamic Front,

United States, February 24 1996: Ali Abu Kamal opens fire on tourists at an observation deck atop the Empire State Building in New York City, killing a Danish national and wounding visitors from the United States, Argentina, Switzerland and France before turning the gun on himself. A handwritten note carried by the gunman claims this was a punishment attack against the "enemies of Palestine

United States, December 14: Ahmed Ressam is arrested on the United States-Canada border in Port Angeles, Washington; he confessed to planning to bomb the Los Angeles International Airport

On 12 October 2000, while at anchor in Aden, the Cole was attacked by Al-Qaeda suicide bombers, who sailed a small boat near the destroyer and detonated explosive charges.[1]. The blast created a hole in the port side of the ship about 40 feet (12 m) in diameter, killing 17 crewmembers and injuring 39

all thats just me selecting 3 years from 93 to 2000.

I could have addressed the other points in your post but chose not to derail a thread even more, I just picked the one I felt like throwing my 0.02 in

 

[sneakypenguin]

double post

 

[fedpayne]

I saw a poster for W on the tube the other day. The tagline was 'anyone can grow up to be President', like it was some story of his journey from rags to riches. Yeah, fucking helps growing up into politics if your dad was, ya know, PRESIDENT.

 

[James Raynor]

I don't. I voted for him in 2000 and 2004.

Just... wow.

 

[axia777]

I don't. I voted for him in 2000 and 2004.

Just... wow.

Yah, no shit. Unapologetic to the last. Can I ask you bigcountry, why do you think he is still great? How is he doing a good job?

 

[chronobreak]

This should be locked, the whole premise of the the original question is wrong. Not everybody hates the man. All reasons why people would hate him have been established. All that's going on are the same tired arguments from both sides that could easily be read in any op-ed page almost any day in America, on The Daily Show, or in books by O'Reilly or Amy Goodman. With any President, some agree and some disagree. I don't see what the gain of stirring obvious animosities up on a message board is, especially when it's for only the sake of doing just that.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

This should be locked, the whole premise of the the original question is wrong. Not everybody hates the man. All reasons why people would hate him have been established. All that's going on are the same tired arguments from both sides that could easily be read in any op-ed page almost any day in America, on The Daily Show, or in books by O'Reilly or Amy Goodman. With any President, some agree and some disagree. I don't see what the gain of stirring obvious animosities up on a message board is, especially when it's for only the sake of doing just that.

Ok, we've heard all the hatred. Now can we have a little bit of feeling/explanation for those that like him; and how they feel about some of the 'interesting' decisions he has made?

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

well seeing as he's run the country in to the ground and wastes billions of dollars a month ($11 billion to be precise) on a pointless war, yah he's done a horrible job. that and he lied about the middle east.

It`s not a pointless war. Oil is running low wordlwide, so he wants a military presence in the middle-east when wars start to explode there. Iraq is a fine place to start, because they had a dictator, but nobody in the white house ever believed that Iraq actually had bombs. It was a good excuse though.
Same for afghanistan. Bin-Laden in not there. Oil pipelines are though. Those pipelines are of strategic interest for the US and understandably, something had to be invented to explain a militaru presence there.

So you're saying that America deliberately invaded those countries to 'stake claim' on their resources? Isn't that a little bit like aggravated burglary?

 

[sirdanrhodes]

He holds a phone upside down to his head, do you Americans want someone this thick running your country? Do we Brits want this, Tony and George were best buddies, hopefully Brown and Obama (a guy can hope) make a better pair.