Why does the universe specifically hate Scientolgy.

[Levi93]

So, here in the UK scientolgy is very well publicised and after looking on wikipedia i found just an infinte wall of text that i just cba to read so can someone sum up the basic beliefs of scientolgy for me? then i can give my views on the subject.

It's a religion, where they tell you what's wrong with you, but unlike other religions, you have to pay for enlightenment, up to millions of pounds, and to cut out negative outside influences they encourage you to disown your family legally, and never see them again. They are a brainwash cult, that rip you off, and destroy peoples lives, and they are supported by retard "celebrities", which mean that in America they are more important than God. Scientology is bad, but the creator, L Ron Hubbard, was worse. Banned from even entering the UK, he even performed a home abortion on his wife with a coathanger, in front of his kids. This piece of shit scum constantly lied about his life, but if you want to stand up to, or discuss scientology, they have ways of shutting you up, including well publicised smear campaigns.

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/scientology-and-me/

(if this video isn't online, check the secrets of scientology link below it, it's the sequel)

A great documentary, funny as well as scary.

You should read up on it, you couldn't believe some of the shit they get away with, while in certain countries, they are allowed to be considered a religion. It's so retarded, it makes my mind boggle. It's keeping my faith in Britain, because we ain't fallen for that shit, nor the Westboro Baptist Cunts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L_ron_hubbard

Ok so i just watched the documentry and had a quick scan read of the wiki article, I'm an atheist through and through but i have a strong respect for those who have faith (except exremists and preachers cause they just take it a little bit too far) and i have to say that everything ive seen of it so far is the biggest pile of bullshit ive ever heard of...

to me a religion is a set of rules that you base your life upon to try and make yourself a better person and follow the teachings of 'greater beings' and 'perfect people' to try and make your own life better. that wasnt a religion and i dont care what anyone ever says other wise. How can giving people money to make yourself a better person be a religion, thats just a huge scam wrapped in 'religious wrapping paper' where the people in the high seats prey on the needy and unguided to line their own pockets.

the only good thing i noticed was that they helped to reform drug addicts and to give aid to terror and natural disaster victims, but then they just use the people to make more money from themselves.

on a final note, thank fuck its not spreading around britain yet and when i take over the world (It will happen goddamn it) i will make it a duty of mine to make sure a scorch mark is left upon the earth where all things scientology once existed.



disclaimer: the final sentence probably wont happen.

 

[Verlander]

on a final note, thank fuck its not spreading around britain yet and when i take over the world (It will happen goddamn it) i will make it a duty of mine to make sure a scorch mark is left upon the earth where all things scientology once existed.



disclaimer: the final sentence probably wont happen.

If it does happen, I'll join you

 

[Levi93]

on a final note, thank fuck its not spreading around britain yet and when i take over the world (It will happen goddamn it) i will make it a duty of mine to make sure a scorch mark is left upon the earth where all things scientology once existed.



disclaimer: the final sentence probably wont happen.

If it does happen, I'll join you

woot, people are already joining my cause, that makes us a cult!..... wait thats a bad thing... unless we're a SUPER AWESOME CULT!
oh and you wont have to kill yourself in the end...unless you want to....oh! and there no certain date that the earth will end, just dont expect it to be any time soon...and you dont have to wear wierd clothes...unless you want to...aprat from on halloween when you have to...end

 

[Jack and Calumon]

IT crowd is the answer to everything. Their beliefs are silly in the eyes of some people, though some may argue it's the same with the other religions too. Know what I think? I think if we're not going to make fun of any religion, belief, or anything without being called racist, offensive, or be condemned to hell, then we will be in a very sad community. Scientology is the new kid in the classroom (That steals other kid's money) and is getting a hard time. I'm willing to accept any idea as long as it isn't retarded. I mean, "In the beginning, God created everything in 7 days" doesn't sit well with me, but neither does, "In the beginning, a big bunch of nothing exploded."

I tend not to think about these things anyway. I'm more of an in the now guy.

Calumon: I'm a Digimon. Where do I go in this?

 

[Canadamus Prime]

I think it's rather pompous to say the Universe hates Scientology, when we really only have the views of the people on this planet. That hardly represents the whole Universe.
But anyway, I agree Scientology doesn't seem anymore evil than any other religious group, well except maybe those polygamists guys.
Why hate on Scientology?

 

[Sephychu]

It's the new kid on the block. All the big kids are afraid that their followers will go and be friends with the new kid, so they make an example of it.

I don't support scientology, I just think it's a little bit hypocritical to call it ridiculous, from a religious standpoint.

 

[Verlander]

I think it's rather pompous to say the Universe hates Scientology, when we really only have the views of the people on this planet. That hardly represents the whole Universe.
But anyway, I agree Scientology doesn't seem anymore evil than any other religious group, well except maybe those polygamists guys.
Why hate on Scientology?

Two things. One, why are polygamist groups "evil"? Is that because you have a preconceived idea about monogamy?

Two, have you researched Scientology? Why do you consider other religions evil? While people may not agree on certain doctrines, I don't think anybody refers to major religions as evil, not someone who has researched them.

People hate on Scientology, because unlike other religions, it's actually having a tangible negative affect of people and society. That, joined with incredibly strong links to government, means that soon they could be running your show.

woot, people are already joining my cause, that makes us a cult!..... wait thats a bad thing... unless we're a SUPER AWESOME CULT!
oh and you wont have to kill yourself in the end...unless you want to....oh! and there no certain date that the earth will end, just dont expect it to be any time soon...and you dont have to wear wierd clothes...unless you want to...aprat from on halloween when you have to...end

Sounds like a plan

 

[orangebandguy]

Because it is opposed to the Imperial Truth.

Thus, The Emperor beloved by all has decreed that all the universe should be opposed to it.

The Imperial Truth is my outlook on all religions to be honest. Man has to break the shackles of religion and take the hand of science and reason.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

Because it's a scam. You have to pay to achieve 'higher levels of enlightenment' or whatever bullshit. Watch the BBC Documentary on it (the second one). The beliefs ar stupid, but you can believe what you like. What I really object to is the money grabbing, controlling, co-oporate side of things.

 

[Nevyrmoore]

Why hate on Scientology?

I don't specifically hate on Scientology itself. It's the Church of Scientology I have my beef with.

*They force you to pay money just to learn more about Scientology (and we're not talking a couple of quid here and there, we're talking thousands). If you can't pay, then you're not part of the Church.

*They force people to drop all contact with their family, making it easier to keep their grip on those within the Church.

*There's a documented case of those working for the Church infiltrating government agencies to remove information on the Church (also known as Operation Snow White [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White]), which later lead to finding out a scheme they had to ruin someone's life for being vocally against the Church (also known as Operation Freakout [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Freakout]). And by "ruining someone's life" I mean fixing evidence to get them arrested for a crime they didn't commit, or put into a mental institution.

*They have something called the Sea Org, a sort of "private navy", where people in the Sea Org are forced to meet impossible quotas. Those unlucky enough to get punished are put in what's called the Rehabilitation Project Force, where they're forced to work harder than they already have, with very little food and water. To quote an ex-Sea Org member-

It was essentially a prison to which crew who were considered nonproducers, security risks, or just wanted to leave the Sea Org, were assigned. Hubbard's RPF policies established the conditions. RPF members were segregated and not allowed to communicate to anyone else. They had their own spaces and were not allowed in normal crew areas of the ship. They ate after normal crew had eaten, and only whatever was left over from the crew meal. Their berthing was the worst on board, in a roach-infested, filthy and unventilated cargo hold. They wore black boilersuits, even in the hottest weather. They were required to run everywhere. Discipline was harsh and bizarre, with running laps of the ship assigned for the slightest infraction like failing to address a senior with "Sir." Work was hard and the schedule rigid with seven hours sleep time from lights out to lights on, short meal breaks, no liberties and no free time... When one young woman ordered into the RPF took the assignment too lightly, Hubbard created the RPF's RPF and assigned her to it, an even more degrading experience, cut off even from the RPF, kept under guard, forced to clean the ship's bilges, and allowed even less sleep.

Strangest of all of the Sea Org, members have to sign a "Billion Year Contract" which pretty much says that the Church pretty much owns their ass for a billion years.

*They orignally (and may still have) a "Fair Game" policy, where those judged to be "Fair Game" are considered a threat to the Church and could be punished and harassed by any and all means possible.

Once again, it's not Scientology itself I have a problem with. There is an offshoot known as the Free Zone who practice Scientology independently from the CoS. As far as I'm aware, they practice Scientology fairly, and don't demand payment for practising and teaching people about Scientology. Predictably, these people are considered Fair Game by the CoS for "squirrelling the tech", a term that has something to do with altering the stuff the CoS uses, or something similar.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

I think it's rather pompous to say the Universe hates Scientology, when we really only have the views of the people on this planet. That hardly represents the whole Universe.
But anyway, I agree Scientology doesn't seem anymore evil than any other religious group, well except maybe those polygamists guys.
Why hate on Scientology?

Two things. One, why are polygamist groups "evil"? Is that because you have a preconceived idea about monogamy?

Two, have you researched Scientology? Why do you consider other religions evil? While people may not agree on certain doctrines, I don't think anybody refers to major religions as evil, not someone who has researched them.

People hate on Scientology, because unlike other religions, it's actually having a tangible negative affect of people and society. That, joined with incredibly strong links to government, means that soon they could be running your show.

No, the polygamist groups are evil because they force 12 - 14 year old girls to marry 50 & 60 year old men, that's why they're evil. Yeah I am a huge fan of monogamy, but that's not why I'm against those polygamy groups.

Why do I consider other religions evil? Well I don't know of any that aren't guilty of extortion, bigotry, hypocrisy, abuse of power, corruption, & murder among others. My point is why should we single out single out Scientology, when just about every single organized religion on Earth has been guilty of the same crimes, if not worse, at some point or other. Is it because they're the new kid on the block, relatively speaking?

Why hate on Scientology?

I don't specifically hate on Scientology itself. It's the Church of Scientology I have my beef with.

*They force you to pay money just to learn more about Scientology (and we're not talking a couple of quid here and there, we're talking thousands). If you can't pay, then you're not part of the Church.

*They force people to drop all contact with their family, making it easier to keep their grip on those within the Church.

*There's a documented case of those working for the Church infiltrating government agencies to remove information on the Church (also known as Operation Snow White [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White]), which later lead to finding out a scheme they had to ruin someone's life for being vocally against the Church (also known as Operation Freakout [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Freakout]). And by "ruining someone's life" I mean fixing evidence to get them arrested for a crime they didn't commit, or put into a mental institution.

*They have something called the Sea Org, a sort of "private navy", where people in the Sea Org are forced to meet impossible quotas. Those unlucky enough to get punished are put in what's called the Rehabilitation Project Force, where they're forced to work harder than they already have, with very little food and water. To quote an ex-Sea Org member-

It was essentially a prison to which crew who were considered nonproducers, security risks, or just wanted to leave the Sea Org, were assigned. Hubbard's RPF policies established the conditions. RPF members were segregated and not allowed to communicate to anyone else. They had their own spaces and were not allowed in normal crew areas of the ship. They ate after normal crew had eaten, and only whatever was left over from the crew meal. Their berthing was the worst on board, in a roach-infested, filthy and unventilated cargo hold. They wore black boilersuits, even in the hottest weather. They were required to run everywhere. Discipline was harsh and bizarre, with running laps of the ship assigned for the slightest infraction like failing to address a senior with "Sir." Work was hard and the schedule rigid with seven hours sleep time from lights out to lights on, short meal breaks, no liberties and no free time... When one young woman ordered into the RPF took the assignment too lightly, Hubbard created the RPF's RPF and assigned her to it, an even more degrading experience, cut off even from the RPF, kept under guard, forced to clean the ship's bilges, and allowed even less sleep.

Strangest of all of the Sea Org, members have to sign a "Billion Year Contract" which pretty much says that the Church pretty much owns their ass for a billion years.

*They orignally (and may still have) a "Fair Game" policy, where those judged to be "Fair Game" are considered a threat to the Church and could be punished and harassed by any and all means possible.

Once again, it's not Scientology itself I have a problem with. There is an offshoot known as the Free Zone who practice Scientology independently from the CoS. As far as I'm aware, they practice Scientology fairly, and don't demand payment for practising and teaching people about Scientology. Predictably, these people are considered Fair Game by the CoS for "squirrelling the tech", a term that has something to do with altering the stuff the CoS uses, or something similar.

Again, no more evil than any other religion, or Church if you want.

 

[electric discordian]

I am wondering why this got reawakened! I thought I first posted this at the start of the year,cheers to the Necromancer.

Catholicism also had a "fair game" policy it was called the Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades! I am pretty sure but not entirely that the Scientologist's have never burned anyone at the steak for heresy or used their religion as a pretext to invade a sovereign nation for its gold!

To be honest the people that complain about the bullying tactics of the church seem like Pansies, come back to me when your Husband is about to be hung drawn and quartered!

 

[Nevyrmoore]

Why hate on Scientology?

I don't specifically hate on Scientology itself. It's the Church of Scientology I have my beef with.

*They force you to pay money just to learn more about Scientology (and we're not talking a couple of quid here and there, we're talking thousands). If you can't pay, then you're not part of the Church.

*They force people to drop all contact with their family, making it easier to keep their grip on those within the Church.

*There's a documented case of those working for the Church infiltrating government agencies to remove information on the Church (also known as Operation Snow White [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White]), which later lead to finding out a scheme they had to ruin someone's life for being vocally against the Church (also known as Operation Freakout [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Freakout]). And by "ruining someone's life" I mean fixing evidence to get them arrested for a crime they didn't commit, or put into a mental institution.

*They have something called the Sea Org, a sort of "private navy", where people in the Sea Org are forced to meet impossible quotas. Those unlucky enough to get punished are put in what's called the Rehabilitation Project Force, where they're forced to work harder than they already have, with very little food and water. To quote an ex-Sea Org member-

It was essentially a prison to which crew who were considered nonproducers, security risks, or just wanted to leave the Sea Org, were assigned. Hubbard's RPF policies established the conditions. RPF members were segregated and not allowed to communicate to anyone else. They had their own spaces and were not allowed in normal crew areas of the ship. They ate after normal crew had eaten, and only whatever was left over from the crew meal. Their berthing was the worst on board, in a roach-infested, filthy and unventilated cargo hold. They wore black boilersuits, even in the hottest weather. They were required to run everywhere. Discipline was harsh and bizarre, with running laps of the ship assigned for the slightest infraction like failing to address a senior with "Sir." Work was hard and the schedule rigid with seven hours sleep time from lights out to lights on, short meal breaks, no liberties and no free time... When one young woman ordered into the RPF took the assignment too lightly, Hubbard created the RPF's RPF and assigned her to it, an even more degrading experience, cut off even from the RPF, kept under guard, forced to clean the ship's bilges, and allowed even less sleep.

Strangest of all of the Sea Org, members have to sign a "Billion Year Contract" which pretty much says that the Church pretty much owns their ass for a billion years.

*They orignally (and may still have) a "Fair Game" policy, where those judged to be "Fair Game" are considered a threat to the Church and could be punished and harassed by any and all means possible.

Once again, it's not Scientology itself I have a problem with. There is an offshoot known as the Free Zone who practice Scientology independently from the CoS. As far as I'm aware, they practice Scientology fairly, and don't demand payment for practising and teaching people about Scientology. Predictably, these people are considered Fair Game by the CoS for "squirrelling the tech", a term that has something to do with altering the stuff the CoS uses, or something similar.

Again, no more evil than any other religion, or Church if you want.

Could you please point to modern day religions that still indulge in these practices, then?

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

For god sake the crusades were barely religious they much more to do with money. Yes we get that there is corruption in the Catholic Church even the blind can see that. The point is in Scientology the more you pay the higher you go. In fact that is the only way you can ascend the ranks. While in other religions Simony is optional.

The Catholic church and Christianity are the cause of very few wars and conflicts they are just the tools used to start them. Even if you take away religion people will just use something else so stop painting all religion with this big bad brush it gets irritating on these forums with this attitude sometimes.

 

[Dragunai]

It seems to have been done to death this topic but I am hoping to possibly give it a new spin after a conversation today with my dad sparked by the death of John Travoltas young un.

Now one of the main thrusts of the arguement against scientology is that it's created by a fiction writer, this is rather valid as a criticism however most of the Torah, bible etc are fictionalised, none of it is literal truth but a series of instructional tales.

That scientology is a secretive organisation, so was christianity in the Roman era which was about the same period in its evolution as scientology is at this moment, when you have a new faith you are rather nervous of having it tested until you have everything set in stone. Doctorine takes hundreds of years to form not 50!

They take peoples money which makes them evil of course no religion has ever taken advantage of it's believers except for the crusades, tithing, the fact that pope lives in a palace whilst the poorest adherents of Roman catholacism live in shanty towns and how often have you placed money on the collection plate in church?

It may be wacky and to some incidious and evil to others but why are there imaginary friends singled out for ridicule versus everyone elses? Speaking as a Discordian I much prefer disorganised religion!

Now one of the main thrusts of the arguement against scientology is that it's created by a fiction writer, this is rather valid as a criticism however most of the Torah, bible etc are fictionalised, none of it is literal truth but a series of instructional tales.

That scientology is a secretive organisation, so was christianity in the Roman era which was about the same period in its evolution as scientology is at this moment, when you have a new faith you are rather nervous of having it tested until you have everything set in stone. Doctorine takes hundreds of years to form not 50!

They take peoples money which makes them evil of course no religion has ever taken advantage of it's believers except for the crusades, tithing, the fact that pope lives in a palace whilst the poorest adherents of Roman catholacism live in shanty towns and how often have you placed money on the collection plate in church?

It may be wacky and to some incidious and evil to others but why are there imaginary friends singled out for ridicule versus everyone elses? Speaking as a Discordian I much prefer disorganised religion!

Okay...

1) It is created by a Fiction Writer who admitted that he wanted to create a religion to make himself rich.

2) It's a secret organization that violently quashes contrary opinion whenever it can, hence the "anonymous" protest by 4chan, because that is the only safe way to criticize scientology in the public sphere.

3) The entire basis of Scientology is money, paying money is the basis of worship, the more money you give to the church the better a scientologist you are, since you can't learn "the truths" without donating a small fortune.

4) Ask anyone around here, I consider ALL religions to be fallacious.

Adding to this:

1) The bible and so on may also be fictionalisied but the stories are based on realistic possibilities. Noahs ark may have just been a flash flood that a dude caught onto by chance. The Garden of Eden is a story about temptation and punishment. These are relatable. Scientology talks about some space overlord who rules the universe or something. I can relate to that, as can anyone who has ever seen a Star Wars movie doesnt mean we worship Palpatine with Vader being his Jesus.

2) Its a TOP secret organisation with the irony being that Christians where hunted for their secretive beliefs as they hid while Scientologists hunt down people from within their shadows.

Its more like a Task Force of a CIA Strike team.

3) The entire religious basis is money? I think the Jews have that market cornered and they are mostly Lawyers so they could litigate these jerks into a corner and bankruptcy for having all the pleasure of a wealthy religion with none of the getting scapedgoated for 9/11, the 2nd world war and most of the modern Ages hateful conspiracies or religious purges.

On a serious note of this point:

A good christian is seen as a man or woman who will give their last £5 to a homeless person instead of buying food for themself. They will go to their church to see how they can help people in a worse off position themself while forgiving intolerant ignorant people.

Again Irony is stapled to this comment because most modern christians ARE intolerant and ignorant BUT they the minority. I have recently been talking to a 19yr old American girl who is in a church choir, I told her I opposed religious doctrines because no mortal man should be given the power to make Gods decisions here on earth and she heard me out and even agreed that the modern church is easily corrupted. Point being she didnt tell me I was wrong but instead told me HER reasons for having faith without trying to convert me and as a result I call her a good christian.

Scientologists would hear my reasons then sue me or have me abducted and executed for not agreeing with them in much the same way the CIA did Che Guevara.

4) I do agree with this point. I consider modern religion to be an antiquated reason for hate mongering and intolerance toward your fellowman. The Christians dont like the heathens, the Muslims dont like anyone and the Jews get blamed for everything that goes wrong.

As I said in another religion base thread:


Old:
The sun crosses the sky! Surely this is Apollo Chasing Diana!
The Seasons Change! Surely this is Ishtar rebirthing Aman!
She is pregnant / the crops are growing this is the work of Bast / Ceres

Modern:

The sun is a big thermo-nuclear reactor out in space
The seasons change due to the eliptic arc of our planets orbit
She is pregnant because some dude got lucky (High Fivez)

Religion is obsolete, we know why shit happens so we dont need it anymore. One arguement against this is it gives people hope and if you happen to be in a really bad place in your life where your utterly depressed and feeling alone in the world, YES it is nice to go to a Church and know that a higher power is watching out for you, however this isnt the case with scientology. You dont get any warm fuzzy feelings knowing God has your back no matter how bad the shit storm is.

 

[kickyourass]

Hell if I know, as far as I can figure they're like most other religions on earth, except with a belief structure that almost sounds like to product of a bad trip and yet sounds kinda awesome at the same time.

 

[Nevyrmoore]

I am wondering why this got reawakened! I thought I first posted this at the start of the year,cheers to the Necromancer.

Catholicism also had a "fair game" policy it was called the Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades! I am pretty sure but not entirely that the Scientologist's have never burned anyone at the steak for heresy or used their religion as a pretext to invade a sovereign nation for its gold!

To be honest the people that complain about the bullying tactics of the church seem like Pansies, come back to me when your Husband is about to be hung drawn and quartered!

Thing is, this was back in medieval times and the middle ages, when such practices were common. As a species, we've grown up a bit since then, and (mostly) know such things are bad. The CoS, however, is resorting to such tactics (albeit in a watered down form) in an age where they're looked down upon.

You can't exactly compare the tactics of a modern day religion with medieval/middle age religions.

*ADDENDUM* Actually, you can. But in a way that points out that the guilty practitioners are living in the past.

 

[MRMIdAS2k]

The whole money thing.

yes religions take donations from their followers, but having to pay to "level up" in the organisation is pure horseshit, and clearly marks it as created to take advantage of rich, stupid people.

That and the founder said he was going to fake a religion to get rich, then did it, AND PEOPLE STILL BELIEVED IN HIS BULLSHIT