Why dont gays get married on a BOAT

[DANEgerous]

So if my idea of marriage is exclusively between two men does that make both of us bastards? I can make any one i want out to literary be a bastard if i can just freely define marriage. Marriage is only vaild if you have blond hair, marriage is only valid if you are a jew, marriage is only valid if you pre-order Tom Clancy's future solder and own at least 3 dogs and have never before eaten tomatoes.

Sure people have different ideas of marriage but they should not have the ability to deny others their ideas of marriage within reason. And by withing reason I mean within the law, you can not marry a 4 year old because they have not right to a lgal contract anyway and almost certainly do not understand what marriage is

CHILL OUT

I don't know what your problem is but I am not trying to deny anyone their idea of marriage. I just think in our society the church has a level of traditional involvement. So I may disagree with people but I am not forcing my view and demanding its acceptance.

I don't see how you came to the conclusion you did. I actually find your whole response confusing and bearing little relevance to my replies to that other guy. With regards to being bastards what the hell are you talking about? A bastard is someone who's parents had them out of wed lock, so you cannot really become one or be made one. You just are or are not, don't know what happens if your parents get married or divorced, but you get the drift.

If they have to get married on a boat that is in international waters and thus not in your nation how are you not denying them the right to marry in your nation? I do not understand how that is not a denial of marriage. Granted you come off as someone who honestly does not care if they get married and only want to bypass absurd laws. I am just saying the "fix" of gay getting married on a boat does not actually fix anything and that the "people define marriage differently" is almost always used do defend why someone is not allowed to get married.

 

[BRENDOG28]

You want to know why they dont, because people of gay or lesbian orientation shouldnt have to, they should have the exact same rights as every other person on this damn planet. if society wasnt so homophobic imagine how much better things would be

 

[verdant monkai]

So if my idea of marriage is exclusively between two men does that make both of us bastards? I can make any one i want out to literary be a bastard if i can just freely define marriage. Marriage is only vaild if you have blond hair, marriage is only valid if you are a jew, marriage is only valid if you pre-order Tom Clancy's future solder and own at least 3 dogs and have never before eaten tomatoes.

Sure people have different ideas of marriage but they should not have the ability to deny others their ideas of marriage within reason. And by withing reason I mean within the law, you can not marry a 4 year old because they have not right to a lgal contract anyway and almost certainly do not understand what marriage is

CHILL OUT

I don't know what your problem is but I am not trying to deny anyone their idea of marriage. I just think in our society the church has a level of traditional involvement. So I may disagree with people but I am not forcing my view and demanding its acceptance.

I don't see how you came to the conclusion you did. I actually find your whole response confusing and bearing little relevance to my replies to that other guy. With regards to being bastards what the hell are you talking about? A bastard is someone who's parents had them out of wed lock, so you cannot really become one or be made one. You just are or are not, don't know what happens if your parents get married or divorced, but you get the drift.

If they have to get married on a boat that is in international waters and thus not in your nation how are you not denying them the right to marry in your nation? I do not understand how that is not a denial of marriage. Granted you come off as someone who honestly does not care if they get married and only want to bypass absurd laws. I am just saying the "fix" of gay getting married on a boat does not actually fix anything and that the "people define marriage differently" is almost always used do defend why someone is not allowed to get married.

You are again horribly misunderstanding me

I don't want to deny them marriage in my nation the fucking church does. I just thought marriage on a boat would work. So stop trying to make me sound like a bad person.

Never did I say I have solved the gay marriage issue. If you had used your eyes you would have seen the thread is a question, not a solution.

If I wanted to stop gays getting married why would I suggest a method which I thought would enable them?

The thought was if the church wont allow gay marriage, will captains of boats. There was nothing malicious like you are trying to imply behind it just that thought. So make sure you actually use your brain before you accuse someone of something quite serious.

 

[DANEgerous]

So if my idea of marriage is exclusively between two men does that make both of us bastards? I can make any one i want out to literary be a bastard if i can just freely define marriage. Marriage is only vaild if you have blond hair, marriage is only valid if you are a jew, marriage is only valid if you pre-order Tom Clancy's future solder and own at least 3 dogs and have never before eaten tomatoes.

Sure people have different ideas of marriage but they should not have the ability to deny others their ideas of marriage within reason. And by withing reason I mean within the law, you can not marry a 4 year old because they have not right to a lgal contract anyway and almost certainly do not understand what marriage is

CHILL OUT

I don't know what your problem is but I am not trying to deny anyone their idea of marriage. I just think in our society the church has a level of traditional involvement. So I may disagree with people but I am not forcing my view and demanding its acceptance.

I don't see how you came to the conclusion you did. I actually find your whole response confusing and bearing little relevance to my replies to that other guy. With regards to being bastards what the hell are you talking about? A bastard is someone who's parents had them out of wed lock, so you cannot really become one or be made one. You just are or are not, don't know what happens if your parents get married or divorced, but you get the drift.

If they have to get married on a boat that is in international waters and thus not in your nation how are you not denying them the right to marry in your nation? I do not understand how that is not a denial of marriage. Granted you come off as someone who honestly does not care if they get married and only want to bypass absurd laws. I am just saying the "fix" of gay getting married on a boat does not actually fix anything and that the "people define marriage differently" is almost always used do defend why someone is not allowed to get married.

You are again horribly misunderstanding me

I don't want to deny them marriage in my nation the fucking church does. I just thought marriage on a boat would work. So stop trying to make me sound like a bad person.

Never did I say I have solved the gay marriage issue. If you had used your eyes you would have seen the thread is a question, not a solution.

If I wanted to stop gays getting married why would I suggest a method which I thought would enable them?

The thought was if the church wont allow gay marriage, will captains of boats. There was nothing malicious like you are trying to imply behind it just that thought. So make sure you actually use your brain before you accuse someone of something quite serious.

Actually I don't do as you think. See above.

 

[Doclector]

Well, I suppose they could, but it'd probably be easier to find a church that isn't completely ignorant or just have it done at a registry (unless they live somewhere that is-you guessed it, ignorant).

The better idea would be to put all the dumb people on a boat.

Then sink it.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Wait, what?

So, where the OP lives, gay marriage isn't banned by the state, it's only banned by "The Church" (cause there's only one church in the OP's country), but it's The Church who determines everything to do with marriage and only The Church and boat captains are allowed to marry people? [small]Also, boat captains are allowed to marry people, but that's another issue.[/small]

I did not know that about the UK.

 

[Al-Bundy-da-G]

How is this not posted yet?

 

[verdant monkai]

So if my idea of marriage is exclusively between two men does that make both of us bastards? I can make any one i want out to literary be a bastard if i can just freely define marriage. Marriage is only vaild if you have blond hair, marriage is only valid if you are a jew, marriage is only valid if you pre-order Tom Clancy's future solder and own at least 3 dogs and have never before eaten tomatoes.

Sure people have different ideas of marriage but they should not have the ability to deny others their ideas of marriage within reason. And by withing reason I mean within the law, you can not marry a 4 year old because they have not right to a lgal contract anyway and almost certainly do not understand what marriage is

CHILL OUT

I don't know what your problem is but I am not trying to deny anyone their idea of marriage. I just think in our society the church has a level of traditional involvement. So I may disagree with people but I am not forcing my view and demanding its acceptance.

I don't see how you came to the conclusion you did. I actually find your whole response confusing and bearing little relevance to my replies to that other guy. With regards to being bastards what the hell are you talking about? A bastard is someone who's parents had them out of wed lock, so you cannot really become one or be made one. You just are or are not, don't know what happens if your parents get married or divorced, but you get the drift.

If they have to get married on a boat that is in international waters and thus not in your nation how are you not denying them the right to marry in your nation? I do not understand how that is not a denial of marriage. Granted you come off as someone who honestly does not care if they get married and only want to bypass absurd laws. I am just saying the "fix" of gay getting married on a boat does not actually fix anything and that the "people define marriage differently" is almost always used do defend why someone is not allowed to get married.

You are again horribly misunderstanding me

I don't want to deny them marriage in my nation the fucking church does. I just thought marriage on a boat would work. So stop trying to make me sound like a bad person.

Never did I say I have solved the gay marriage issue. If you had used your eyes you would have seen the thread is a question, not a solution.

If I wanted to stop gays getting married why would I suggest a method which I thought would enable them?

The thought was if the church wont allow gay marriage, will captains of boats. There was nothing malicious like you are trying to imply behind it just that thought. So make sure you actually use your brain before you accuse someone of something quite serious.

Actually I don't do as you think. See above.

Oh so you think you know the innermost workings of my mind and can tell my motives can you? I would like gays to be able to get married, so take your head out of your ass and stop making assumptions.

 

[Wintermoot]

even if you marry on a boat it doesn't automatically mean that the marriage is recognized in their home country/state.

 

[Biodeamon]

Yay another homosexuality thread

I have not researched this but I imagine it should work.
The church doesn't want to marry gays so what about ship Captains?
They could by-pass the church completely.

some people offend very easily on this site to you people I say sorry I am not trying to upset anyone.

where you drunk when you came up with this? it's alot simpler to get married in canada or another place then setting up a marriage on a boat.

 

[Shakomaru]

even if you marry on a boat it doesn't automatically mean that the marriage is recognized in their home country/state.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. The thing is it goes beyond the prohibition of getting married, in certain states two people of the same sex being married doesn't count as marriage. Also Daystar...

Because not everyone wants to get married by a ship captain?

Not even a pirate ship captain?
We ARR gatharrred here today to celarrrrbrarrrrt... Ok yeah. That's kinda dumb.

 

[SciMal]

Yay another homosexuality thread

I have not researched this but I imagine it should work.
The church doesn't want to marry gays so what about ship Captains?
They could by-pass the church completely.

some people offend very easily on this site to you people I say sorry I am not trying to upset anyone.

Marriages are contracts recognized by the government according to certain laws.

Even if you claim to be married, because the state doesn't recognize gay marriage as a valid form of marriage, the state can refuse any and all benefits that a normal married couple would have (hospital visit rights, tax benefits, inheritance, etc.).

It's not that gay people can't find some way of getting married (international waters have always been a viable option), it's that if the state doesn't recognize the marriage, it's not perceived as equal.

 

[Mr.PlanetEater]

Well unless the Ship's Captain has a specific license he can't legally marry people (at least in the US), but even if he did and a Homosexual couple got married by him if their home state/country doesn't recognize Gay Marriage then the legal contract is rendered moot and they are right back to square one.

And yes, Marriage is very much a legal contract, in fact its been a legal contract since the dawn of time.

Lets use four people to demonstrate,

Person A is Tok
Person B is Rok
Person C is Li, and is Tok's daughter
Person D is Rok Jr and is Rok's son

Now if Tok wants Li to Marry Rok Jr. then Tok would have to give Rok something in return. In this case it'd probably be goats or a cattle, and in exchange Rok would give Tok some wheat or barely.

Once this exchange happens they merely need to find a government appointed official and the knot is tied, if the exchange doesn't happen then the marriage is not legally realized and Tok gets to go back to living his life with his livestock while Rok probably gets stoned to death.

 

[ReadyAmyFire]

I don't think they can do that, unless they're a minister or a judge. I think it's also more a legal/social thing than a religious one, though some people choose to do it religiously. My athiest friend got married last month, no men in dresses there.

Apart from her uncle, the maid of honour.

 

[zefiris]

A guy marries a woman.
The woman gets terminally sick. She's dying. The man loves her, and wants to visit her in the hospital before she dies. And he gets to visit her.

Sounds reasonable, right? Well, if the man had been a woman, she'd not have been able to visit the person she loved. The person she loved would die without ever meeting said love again.

Real issue, a real thing that's happening, because gay people aren't considered married in some parts.

It's not just about rights and equality, it's about pretty terrible consequences about the marriage issue.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Presumably because they still have to get a license.

 

[BrassButtons]

I don't want to deny them marriage in my nation the fucking church does.

What nation do you live in? In most countries I'm aware of you can get legally married without paying any attention to the church. The problem gay marriage faces in those places is with legality, not with being accepted by the church. Yeah, the chuch's influence might be what prevent people from legalizing gay marriage, but that's a bit of a different issue, and simply having the marriage 'on a boat' won't help at all.

The problem isn't finding a place to have the ceremony; the problem is getting the legal rights of marriage from the government.