Yeah I did see Second Raid. They neatly wrapped up everything in the plot which is why I was hesitant to list it. The problem was that it didn't feel like a natural end. There wasn't much in the way of a clear sign as to what the characters' futures had in store at all. Know what I mean?
Deathnote...terrible ending to a great series. Well, terrible ending to a series that really was drawn out longer than it should've been. Really it ended at episode 13 or 14 for me. After a certain thing happened...
Unless you write your story with a specific goal in mind, endings are hard to do. You have to wrap up enough of the storylines in order to have a satisfying conclusion, but leave enough unresolved issues to warrant a sequel series, if you want to do that. Very few people can do this effectively.
It would seem that Gunslinger Girls's problem was that the first series was unfocused and did not have an idea how it would end. The second series did it much better.
Yeah, the first season was interesting but the lack of focus was kind of unsettling. The problem I have with the second season is that it barely touches on the issues brought up in the first and the girls sit on the sidelines to the real main characters of the series: the bombers.
ZehMadScientist said:
I've seen my fair share of anime with poor endings. But the one that immediately springs to mind is Soul Eater. I don't know why they axed it, there might've been too little material to work with, financial problems, I don't know. But the conclusion to that damn 50 episode show was so terribad, I don't even have the words for it.
There he is, the Big Bad, the great immortal overpowered demon of the moment. And what is the last resort the Protagonist beats him with, after all has failed?
Yeah... that was a pretty bad one. That goes under the "make up a ending because we caught up to the manga" category. The "Bravery" thing was so fucking forced it hurt.
Claymore had this problem too, but at least their makeshift ending felt a bit more natural.
They main characters have just gained a powerful new member, learned something about the origins of one of their more mysterious member and just gotten their asses kicked by the new Big Bad who the real Big Bad of the whole series.
And then the anime ends....
Even more annoying is that the AUTHOR of the manga inserts himself into the final episode as some sort of joke character saying "But the series will continute" or some shit like that. I was quite pissed.
Hell, even fucking BLEACH has ended that way. One of the Big 3 and they end the anime after the end of the PENULTIMATE story arc!
Most animes are butchered Mangas, I mean Hellsing, Dragon Ball Z, Outlaw Star, Full Metal Alchemist. While they have their shining moments, sometimes they deviant too much from the source and I imagine they just kind of try to wrap it up. And now they get remade as ULTIMATE or whatever. I will say Hellsing Ultimate and Dragon Ball Kai are amazing, I'll never watch the original source material again.
Er, but to try and answer it better, I don't think they get good endings because they deviated from the source too much, or they ran out of budget. I mean Birdy the Mighty wasn't well known that's for sure so it probably didn't get a big enough response so that was that.
I guess think Firefly............................I made myself sad D:
I think there might not be such a deep-seated tradition for closure in Japanese literature.
I've noticed a real lot of anime uses the whole "Stuff doesn't stop happening in the world just because this particular story is over" thing.
I've noticed this a lot actually. Even in those ones that have world ending situations, it just sorta goes on after the end of the series. It's really weird.
I generally try to steer away (and fail) from animes that have a manga currently in production unless the anime decides to say fuck it and make up their own story. Dance in the Vampire Bund did this because they were way ahead of the manga and basically made up their own story. It isn't over yet, but the differences between the manga and anime are enough that unless they try to backpedal, at this point they might as well be completely different properties.
My example of a bad endin would be Wolf's Rain. It's leadin up to this entire bit with paradise and all that, then the screen fades to white and...nothin. You see a brief glimpse of every character and the series ends. What. The. Fuck. No explanations of what the hell just happened (and if there are, they're so subtle that I totally missed it), no conclusion, just...nothin. I had to resist the urge to scream it was so annoyin.
Yeah I did see Second Raid. They neatly wrapped up everything in the plot which is why I was hesitant to list it. The problem was that it didn't feel like a natural end. There wasn't much in the way of a clear sign as to what the characters' futures had in store at all. Know what I mean?
i kinda see your point. but i don't think it was supposed to set up 'their futures' as much as getting Sousuke to actually want something for him self for his own sake not for following orders.
As the unofficial Resident obsessive berserk fanboy of the Escapist allow me to say this on the anime: It's a condensed, slightly cut down version of the first arc of the manga and ended poorly as a result of funds running out. There's a new series in development though that will redo the first arc and also continue on to cover the other arcs.
However, the manga does indeed continue from where the anime leaves off. Go read it. No seriously, we need the fans...
This. Berserk is some good shit. It's pretty much the only long running series I read, since Naruto started being consistently bad.
OT: The problem with a lot of animes ending poorly (Gunslinger Girl & FMP!2 specifically) is that most of the series are based on Manga that haven't finished, and therefore the studio has to come up with an ending on short notice during a time when It's inappropriate. Berserk and Elfen Lied both ended at the end of an arc, but they did so by becoming cliffhangers. BTW, many series with bad endings actually have superior mangas that they're based on. Gunslinger girl and Elfen Lied benefit tremendously from the character development that the extra run time provides.
Yeah I did see Second Raid. They neatly wrapped up everything in the plot which is why I was hesitant to list it. The problem was that it didn't feel like a natural end. There wasn't much in the way of a clear sign as to what the characters' futures had in store at all. Know what I mean?
i kinda see your point. but i don't think it was supposed to set up 'their futures' as much as getting Sousuke to actually want something for him self for his own sake not for following orders.
Yeah I really liked the character arcs in Second Raid. Funny thing about that show: in retrospect the first season sucked, but Fumoffu was hilarious and Second Raid was actually really bad ass. Usually an anime's first season is its best.
You know what's pathetic? That voice actor may have had a hard time pronouncing the words, but the inflections were still better than pretty much any English dub made in the last decade. What is it with American and Canadian dub studios phoning it in? I mean, compare an old Streamline dub to something recent. The Streamline dub will win hands down, despite in all likelihood having some censorship issues. For all the attention they get paid at conventions, dub voice actors sure do like to phone things in these days.
Which animes are you talking about? Every one I've seen in the last 3 years that wasn't produced by 4kids has been very good. I know comedy series' aren't as good as their Japanese counterparts, but almost all action series' get it really well.
And for the record, I liked the ending of EoE. It was insane, but it made sense and it brought closure.
Zeta Gundam is the one that sticks in my mind as being disappointingly horrible, but really, watch any anime that is still in production. It's like there's four voices each for male and female characters, with standardized intonations that just scream "anime dub." It's hard to describe, but a really good example of the kind of voice acting I'm talking about is the dub for Fullmetal Alchemist. It's just so... generically anime.
For some examples that I consider relatively good, look at the Streamline dub of Akira, the dub for whichever series of Lupin III that aired on cartoon network all those years ago, and the English dub for Ranma 1/2.
Zeta is the exception, since the actor they picked for Kamille is awful. Look at Gundam 00 for a much better job, in general, the studio Bandai uses is fairly awesome.
As far as FMA goes, I haven't heard a bad voice in either of the versions. Maybe Al. Vic Magogna is terrific as Ed, Eric Vale does a terrific Kimbley, Ed Blaylock is fan-fucking-tastic as Bradley, and Travis Willingham does an amazing Mustang.
Vic Mingogna as Ed is my biggest problem with that dub; it's just so stereotypical, so cartoony, although it applies to everyone, not just him. If the point of acting is never to look like you're acting, Fullmetal Alchemist is a poster child for what happens when it's obvious that you are.
Edit: In fact, Vic Mingnogna period is a good example of my problem with anime voice acting in general. Same voice, every time; he and Johnny Young Bosch make up two of the four male voices I mentioned.
Yeah I did see Second Raid. They neatly wrapped up everything in the plot which is why I was hesitant to list it. The problem was that it didn't feel like a natural end. There wasn't much in the way of a clear sign as to what the characters' futures had in store at all. Know what I mean?
i kinda see your point. but i don't think it was supposed to set up 'their futures' as much as getting Sousuke to actually want something for him self for his own sake not for following orders.
Yeah I really liked the character arcs in Second Raid. Funny thing about that show: in retrospect the first season sucked, but Fumoffu was hilarious and Second Raid was actually really bad ass. Usually an anime's first season is its best.
though i wouldn't say season 1 sucked, it's still good imo, but TSR and Fumoffu was better, seriously .... plush teddy bear costume that's really a form of power armor, the absurdity of it makes it fucking awesome XD
I agree that some anime have really poor endings, like freaking Pandora Hearts. I still don't get what the heck happened then.
Fappy said:
- Darker than Black's first season had a pretty decent ending and could have ended there. Let's not talk about the second... oh please god no. So obviously set up for a 3rd season... been a few years.
What the fuck happend in Tenjo Tenge. In the last few episodes they hyped up this big showdown between the good guys and the bad guys in a martial arts tournament, and ends with everybody training. No tournament, no fight scenes, no cleavage shots.
Sekirei also had this problem. i was mad and went to check if there was still an ongoing mange and find out what the deal was. I was alot less mad when i discovered that the writer/artist died in a car crash.
The only Anime/mangas I have fully finished, Full Metal Alchemist and Yu Yu Hakusho, had good endings so I cannot fully relate to all of this...but surely it cannot be as bad as a once beloved series of yours suddenly finding itself dragged into a void of awful and then just keep going (Bleach)
OH god the original ending was just horrible, but the they waited for the so called REAL ENDING movie to really troll us. I mean EVA true ending was so trolly it almost made me puke, and still does.
I mean the image of Shingy just beating off on Askua's face, I bet there still laughing.
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