Why don't you do drugs?
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Well I don't do any drugs bar caffeine but if they make caffeine free coke I will start drinking that instead. I think they are a waste of money and a slow suicide. Yes this includes alcohol and cigarettes as well.
I'm not an alcoholic, but i do like to drink right up to the point of being incredibly shit-faced, vomiting and waking up the next morning not knowing how the hell you got there. If you present me with the booze, i'll just keep going until my body has had enough - i don't buy alcohol often however as it is expensive.
I've tried smoking once or twice and never really saw the big deal about it. I didn't choke on it, nor did i really get that supposed 'high' you get from smoking. I've had a few friends say they tried weed. I might have one puff out of curiosity, but i'd never get to doing hard drugs - there are far too many social stigmas. This is largely due to people around me like parents and certain friends who are like 'SEX DRUGS BOOZE IS BAD YOU WILL BE A CRAZY-ASS ADDICT AND SUFFER FOR ETERNITY BECOME A THIEF MURDER RAPIST POLICE WILL COME TAKE YOU AWAY FIRE AND BRIMSTONE MUAHAHAHHA' and go a little bit mad with propaganda, which has rubbed off on me over the years i guess. While intellectually i know that's a load of ol' bollocks my 'conditioning' has led me to force myself to instantly accept the belief that that's just how it is.
I've tried smoking once or twice and never really saw the big deal about it. I didn't choke on it, nor did i really get that supposed 'high' you get from smoking. I've had a few friends say they tried weed. I might have one puff out of curiosity, but i'd never get to doing hard drugs - there are far too many social stigmas. This is largely due to people around me like parents and certain friends who are like 'SEX DRUGS BOOZE IS BAD YOU WILL BE A CRAZY-ASS ADDICT AND SUFFER FOR ETERNITY BECOME A THIEF MURDER RAPIST POLICE WILL COME TAKE YOU AWAY FIRE AND BRIMSTONE MUAHAHAHHA' and go a little bit mad with propaganda, which has rubbed off on me over the years i guess. While intellectually i know that's a load of ol' bollocks my 'conditioning' has led me to force myself to instantly accept the belief that that's just how it is.
A bunch of reasons really. Ok, yeah being high is fun....for about 45 minutes to an hour, if your lucky. And yes it's awesome to get smashed, but only if you want to be completely useless for the rest of the night. Same goes for anything except cigarettes. I realize you could call them a drug but cigarettes aren't as bad as weed or alcohol or harder stuff. Another reason is I've got plans in my immediate future that I'd rather not risk by something so stupid. And finally I just have to look at my friend and see all the things he's fucked up because of weed. That's a pretty strong incentive not to do them
They do make caffeine free coke. Its not as widely available but it exists. Its in a kind of goldish coloured can I believe. Probably tastes crappy though.Glademaster said:
Speaking of coke, you haven't lived til you snort a gram of high grade blow. I don't think less of people who are against drug use or whatever.. I just know that they haven't seen what I've seen. There's much more to the world than what a sober mind can see.. in my opinion.fletch_talon said:
I'm under age but I don't plan on ever drinking or doing drugs including any more caffeine. I just don't understand why people use them. If I need to fry my brain to have a good time then there is something wrong with me. I want to enjoy life with a full presence of mind so I'm not just looking forward to a quick high. I want to be proud about my past and know that my future will only be better.
I rarely drink alcohol. I used to smoke a lot of weed and I'm curious about hallucigens such as LCD, I've used Salvia but I generally don't enjoy the trip you get from that.
I used to be very anti-drug. I never really saw the point in them. One day whilst hanging out with some new friends they were short on money to buy a bag of it so I offered to make up the rest because I was curious, after that we proceeded to sit underneath an unused bridge and smoke. After around 10 minutes we were all happily stoned and laughing, talking shit and just enjoying stuff... the real thing that sold it for me was a huge spider... now I'm terribly arachnophobic and this spider was larger than my hand the body was easily the same size as the palm of my hand... Now the memory of the spider is terrifying but whilst I was there I saw it and shouted "Fuck! Look at that spider!" and got up and ran to it and got as close to it as I could without touching it (As well as being scared of spiders I'm fascinated by them) now... all the big burley heavy metal guys ran off because they were scared... and me and all the girls were there with it... after about 5 minutes I remembered my fear of it but it was still an amazing experiance.
I used to be very anti-drug. I never really saw the point in them. One day whilst hanging out with some new friends they were short on money to buy a bag of it so I offered to make up the rest because I was curious, after that we proceeded to sit underneath an unused bridge and smoke. After around 10 minutes we were all happily stoned and laughing, talking shit and just enjoying stuff... the real thing that sold it for me was a huge spider... now I'm terribly arachnophobic and this spider was larger than my hand the body was easily the same size as the palm of my hand... Now the memory of the spider is terrifying but whilst I was there I saw it and shouted "Fuck! Look at that spider!" and got up and ran to it and got as close to it as I could without touching it (As well as being scared of spiders I'm fascinated by them) now... all the big burley heavy metal guys ran off because they were scared... and me and all the girls were there with it... after about 5 minutes I remembered my fear of it but it was still an amazing experiance.
No, You started off your post by insulting someone who didn't agree with you, and didn't insult you. You used the word ignorant. Whether you meant it the way it is now defined or not. You were not being ironic. You were being insulting. Specifically referring to the person you quoted then lashing out at him. That is the reason i choose not to read you post. Not that i am willfully denying what you posted to preserve my view on a subject. It's no different then to why i do not spend my time listening to people like Jack Thompson. If you cannot make your point without insulting someone or accusing them of something you do not have a strong point. You choose to make it personal in a discussion.oceanwilde said:
I put no words in your mouth. I only commented on what i read, and did not judge you, only advised you to be less insulting to people who do not agree with you.
I gave you advise on how to word a post so as not to piss people off in a serious discussion.
I did not say you expected everyone to agree with you, rather used the current definition to explain why I do not like you saying the word ignorant. That is what it meant.
As well, accusing me of passing judgment is passing judgment.
Saying anyone is ignorant in a matter is passing judgment.
Saying
Is doing the same thing your advising me against doing.
You say people are ignorant about drugs because they choose not to do them, therefore they have no experience in the matter. However i feel i do not, say, need to experiment with extream masochism before i can safely say i wish not to do it. To say you are ignorant due to simply not having done it would be judging them.
I would have read your post if not for the first two paragraphs. Which i feel were little more then an insult and a massive exaggeration of the dangers of alcohol.
As well i had skimmed the rest of your post and noticed the usage of the word Propaganda multiple times. Another word i generally use as a red flag in subjects such as these. As the topic is "Why don't you use drugs" in which the question is simply for people to express why they do not do drugs. The people posting do not deserve or need someone telling them they are ignorant because they have made a different choice then someone else. If the topic were "Are drugs dangerous" i would concede you have a point and purpose. This is not the case however.
If this were a topic called "What do you like about mass effect" and someone went on and told everyone the only reason they like that game is because they are to ignorant to know how great Loco Roco is would that person be given a warm welcome?
Then don't read them, or wait for a thread which has a topic that allows you to speak about it, or make the thread yourself. This topic is for people to speak as to why they don't like or won't to do drugs. Not for people to come and tell them they are ignorant because of it. That's like walking into a church of a religion you don't agree with then throwing a fit in the middle of the sermon over how wrong they are.
As well to assume people fear the word drug and have done no research at all is a judgment.
Well I haven't seen it around where I live if I do ever see it I will give it a go.fletch_talon said:
I've tried weed and a weak hallucinogen or two, but haven't gone near anything other than alcohol and tobacco in the last few months. Not entirely sure I want to, as I have a pretty weak character as it is and I can see mind-altering substances making it worse. Maybe when my mind is stronger or in a better place or whatever..
Out of curiosity, where did you get this definition of ignorance that you speak of?Kagim said:
So that you aren't ignorant on its definition anymore, here you go. http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=define%3A+ignorance
And you are judging him for passing judgment on you for passing judgment on him, this is the type of argument that means absolutely nothing, could go on for a while and should stop now.
I will not say that the poster hasn't said it, but I have looked through most of his posts (I think) and ask that you please point out where he had said that "people are ignorant about drugs because they choose not to do them." As far as I saw, all he said was that you should learn about drugs before condemning them.
I will agree that some of his information comes off as exaggerated and because of that invalidates his point somewhat, but for the most part he has the right idea.
I have to say I think you have the wrong type of analogy. It would be more like if this was an intellectual debate called, "Why don't you play Mass Effect?" and when people started saying because it's a porn simulator ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0kdm7fg804 ), someone posts that the information the people posted was biased, ignorant, and they should do better research. Would you really think he/she is wrong for posting there, especially when the intent of the topic was to spark intellectual debate?
I am going to assume you read the OP and so going off of that, I don't see why you think that Oceanwilde is wrong for posting what he posted in this thread.
It is obvious that over the last 15 pages that most of the people commenting against drugs in this thread don't really know what they are talking about. That's not to say there have been no valid personal arguments for why someone doesn't take drugs, but there have been a lot of generalized opinions about drugs that are taken straight off of PSA's or some other biased media.
Despite what you say, the OP intended to "open up this thread for logical reasons why one should not do drugs," which says to me that this type of discussion is not OT. Although Oceanwilde's first post was a little on the abrasive side at first, he did honestly contribute to this thread and came off as far less judgmental and less defensive than you did.
I think its a fair assumption that many of the posters here do have an unnatural fear of the concept of drugs and that most of them haven't done research, and yes, I am "evaluating evidence in the formation of making a decision" or passing judgment as you call it.
There is a difference between passing judgment and being judgmental. So please, next time before you start an argument based on the specific words used, and try using them several points during your counter-post, make sure you know the difference between the terms you are using.
I'd prefer not to place toxins in my body that otherwise wouldn't be there.. simple as that, even if it makes you feel "good". Don't give a shit if you do it, but I'm not going to be particularly pleased if you smoke near me and I have to inhale your rather disgusting fumes.
I drink though, so I suppose I am a "recreational" user. *Shrug*
I drink though, so I suppose I am a "recreational" user. *Shrug*