Why EA are a good fit for BioWare.
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youre obvouly a troll my dear, im im too drunk right now to make an answer. How do i kno youre trolling or otherwise just an ignorant? you dont know the busyness as it is if you answer youre like that. Obvoiously i will agree on mercedez, but just cuz they are a brand, youre million miles away if you trully believe that they wont change they'r logo cuz, theyr scared or they are too conservative xD man , they are masters at what they do, i wish you a happy april fools day xD tho it has passed already =3. ill answer on a few hours so dont worry ma dear. keep on rocking haha. xD
to be is to do. nietzche
to do is to be. Kant
do be do be dooooo. Synatra. XD das passt schon aber wir sprechen morgen mein liebe.
-*edit*-
Damn i shouldnt be allowed to write when im drunk! Sorry if offended anyone, not the intention.
i should be arrested for ortographic terrorism. haha xD
to be is to do. nietzche
to do is to be. Kant
do be do be dooooo. Synatra. XD das passt schon aber wir sprechen morgen mein liebe.
-*edit*-
Damn i shouldnt be allowed to write when im drunk! Sorry if offended anyone, not the intention.
i should be arrested for ortographic terrorism. haha xD
No, Xenmut. You are simply wrong to state that Pepsi changing their company logo is the same as EA altering their logo to suit the artwork on a video game case.
I explained, quite clearly, why this is the case, and your only retort is to call me a troll in a post filled with spelling mistakes and grammatical errors.
If you want to label someone a troll, you should look a little closer to home.
I explained, quite clearly, why this is the case, and your only retort is to call me a troll in a post filled with spelling mistakes and grammatical errors.
If you want to label someone a troll, you should look a little closer to home.
This is probably true for all publishers. In my opinion the developer matters a whole lot more than the publisher and it's amazing to see most of your favorite developers under the same umbrella. But don't think for a second that because I'm willingly handing my cash over to them that I see them as the best thing since HDTV. Business mistakes are unavoidable. Learning from them however, is easy.j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
Hey yo.
I've NEVER stated that Pepsy did the same as EA in first plase, id appreciate you dont put words in my mouth, i simply corrected you wile you sayd that pepsy hasnt changed theyr logo. My job is to know this Mr. i-know-much-more-than-you, just cause i studied it, i worked on it.
Oh yes, im sorry if wile being drunk i did misspelled a lenguage that's not my own, *grins* chill out. The reason ppl label you as troll is because you dont tend to discuss, just defend your point at all cost, even repliying with sarcasm and not an argument and changin' words of ppl that talk to you, recipes of a troll.
So, lets dive into the theme again, now that im sober.
Pepsy: changes theyr logo from the wave, to appear more like a smile, but doing it slowly across the years to match the trends of the streets as they do with the graphics on theyr adds, so they will seem every time modern and fresh. that's part of marketing.
Mercedez: they change a bit the logo, they just make refreshments to maintain as well the mark as elegant and modern as they feel like (look up for the fist logo and watch the graphic history of the brand). So, but they wont theme it with every car cuz the brand means car, and changing it on every one wont be beneficial(because of what they are, just like you sayd), working on a solid logo for years it like a name with fame, change it a little although it may be almost the same, it wont be the same and it will begin to distort. knowing how to manage your logo is also marketing.
What we know so far?
Brand Image: its the references that use a company for themselves.
Logo: is the image of presentation of the logo.
Visual Identity: what makes the logo of a company, the logo of the company.(color, shape, typografy)
Advertising Campaign: is what resourses and information will movilice a company for advertising something.
Campaign Image: is the visual that will use a company to advertice something, related to them and therefore adjusting themselves to the product they promote without changing theyr Visual Identity.
So now:
EA: every game is a ADVERTISING CAMPAIGN for them, for the game and themselves, so they adquire a CAMPAIGN IMAGE for each one. They wont compromise theyr BRAND IMAGE by changing the VISUAL IDENTITY of the company, instad they theme the LOGO without changing it, by adding something, by changing color, without compromising the VISUAL IDENTITY. That's a marketing strategy, and it aint new. Google ring any bells to you? Virgin has done it too, Vodafone has also, but not too many times. You could say that EA makes it all the time, just like Google.
Visual identity of EA? The EA typografy and the circle --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcQXsbrAdIw
(now changin to the topic u where talking about)
But that's just talking about marketing, every smart company knows that marketing is a huge deal, but it makes them good? No!
EA is as good as is bad, sometimes worse. EA has they money to take risks, because like in game industry is well known, sometimes risks pay off. A LOT. example? Portal, a true experimental game that went viral because its awesome, maybe they are taking chances with developing Mirrors Edge 2 after seeing reviews and correcting the errors as they saw fit, or maybe they just think it could be profitable.
Its well known that EA pushes his developers to release games without really finishing them like they should, if any question you should see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_Systems a RPG developer that his greatest hit was obviouly the "Ultima" saga. Last games before they were disbanded where a poor refelection of what they were before(Ultima IX). Why? EA pushed the release date, it was a disaster.
My opinion? No, for RPGames.. EA is not the best offer, but its what we got.
I think just like the other guy that told you to see the open letter of Extra Creditz to EA, so i leave it here for you http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/2794-An-Open-Letter-to-EA-Marketing
Now tell me arguments and proove youre not a troll.
lol u made me remember my days in the Design institute <3
you may find this page curious/fun
http://designyoutrust.com/2011/01/25/unevolved-brands/ =D Visual identity
I've NEVER stated that Pepsy did the same as EA in first plase, id appreciate you dont put words in my mouth, i simply corrected you wile you sayd that pepsy hasnt changed theyr logo. My job is to know this Mr. i-know-much-more-than-you, just cause i studied it, i worked on it.
Oh yes, im sorry if wile being drunk i did misspelled a lenguage that's not my own, *grins* chill out. The reason ppl label you as troll is because you dont tend to discuss, just defend your point at all cost, even repliying with sarcasm and not an argument and changin' words of ppl that talk to you, recipes of a troll.
So, lets dive into the theme again, now that im sober.
Pepsy: changes theyr logo from the wave, to appear more like a smile, but doing it slowly across the years to match the trends of the streets as they do with the graphics on theyr adds, so they will seem every time modern and fresh. that's part of marketing.
Mercedez: they change a bit the logo, they just make refreshments to maintain as well the mark as elegant and modern as they feel like (look up for the fist logo and watch the graphic history of the brand). So, but they wont theme it with every car cuz the brand means car, and changing it on every one wont be beneficial(because of what they are, just like you sayd), working on a solid logo for years it like a name with fame, change it a little although it may be almost the same, it wont be the same and it will begin to distort. knowing how to manage your logo is also marketing.
What we know so far?
Brand Image: its the references that use a company for themselves.
Logo: is the image of presentation of the logo.
Visual Identity: what makes the logo of a company, the logo of the company.(color, shape, typografy)
Advertising Campaign: is what resourses and information will movilice a company for advertising something.
Campaign Image: is the visual that will use a company to advertice something, related to them and therefore adjusting themselves to the product they promote without changing theyr Visual Identity.
So now:
EA: every game is a ADVERTISING CAMPAIGN for them, for the game and themselves, so they adquire a CAMPAIGN IMAGE for each one. They wont compromise theyr BRAND IMAGE by changing the VISUAL IDENTITY of the company, instad they theme the LOGO without changing it, by adding something, by changing color, without compromising the VISUAL IDENTITY. That's a marketing strategy, and it aint new. Google ring any bells to you? Virgin has done it too, Vodafone has also, but not too many times. You could say that EA makes it all the time, just like Google.
Visual identity of EA? The EA typografy and the circle --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcQXsbrAdIw
(now changin to the topic u where talking about)
But that's just talking about marketing, every smart company knows that marketing is a huge deal, but it makes them good? No!
EA is as good as is bad, sometimes worse. EA has they money to take risks, because like in game industry is well known, sometimes risks pay off. A LOT. example? Portal, a true experimental game that went viral because its awesome, maybe they are taking chances with developing Mirrors Edge 2 after seeing reviews and correcting the errors as they saw fit, or maybe they just think it could be profitable.
Its well known that EA pushes his developers to release games without really finishing them like they should, if any question you should see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_Systems a RPG developer that his greatest hit was obviouly the "Ultima" saga. Last games before they were disbanded where a poor refelection of what they were before(Ultima IX). Why? EA pushed the release date, it was a disaster.
My opinion? No, for RPGames.. EA is not the best offer, but its what we got.
I think just like the other guy that told you to see the open letter of Extra Creditz to EA, so i leave it here for you http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/2794-An-Open-Letter-to-EA-Marketing
Now tell me arguments and proove youre not a troll.
lol u made me remember my days in the Design institute <3
you may find this page curious/fun
http://designyoutrust.com/2011/01/25/unevolved-brands/ =D Visual identity
Sorry Xenmut, but you're incorrect. And English isn't my first language either, so i'd appreciate it if you wouldn't hide behind that.
I was quite clear in my OP. I was speaking about EA altering their logo for each individual video game they publish.
Why you think that Pepsi having changed their logo was worth bringing up is beyond me, as i didn't say anything to suggest that they (or any other company) hadn't - i simply stated that their current logo appears on all varieties of drink they produce.
You can claim ignorance now, but in your initial post, i gave you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you were intelligent enough to at least try to bring something relevant to the table.
By your own admission, you failed to do so.
And as for your Wall of Text above, the only way any of it is relevant is if Pepsi use a different logo on regular Pepsi as they do to Pepsi Max. Or if Mercedes use a different logo on the clk cabriolet 500 sport to the a-class.
They obviously don't, ergo EA's decision to do so is unprecedented.
I was quite clear in my OP. I was speaking about EA altering their logo for each individual video game they publish.
Why you think that Pepsi having changed their logo was worth bringing up is beyond me, as i didn't say anything to suggest that they (or any other company) hadn't - i simply stated that their current logo appears on all varieties of drink they produce.
You can claim ignorance now, but in your initial post, i gave you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you were intelligent enough to at least try to bring something relevant to the table.
By your own admission, you failed to do so.
And as for your Wall of Text above, the only way any of it is relevant is if Pepsi use a different logo on regular Pepsi as they do to Pepsi Max. Or if Mercedes use a different logo on the clk cabriolet 500 sport to the a-class.
They obviously don't, ergo EA's decision to do so is unprecedented.
War being declared wouldn't be a good thing for Xenmut. He seems German, and the last time Russia went to war with Germany, things didn't go to weel for his people.
That last post was childish mate.
And i don't hide,like i sayd im in internet, i just really concern myself when im writing something important, but even so, i present my excuses because: i've never went to a course or something formal like im doing with german right now(yes thank you for seeing my profile), im half German, half Venezuelan, grown in Venezuela and very proud of it, not that i see any relevance on our conversation eighter a reason to call it a war, i reapeat, that's childish.
Even more so, if you believe what i really worked on to make it easy on you and give you references, to clear everything in a friendly and a most didactive way, just to evily bother you, with a OMG too long WOT.. you got it wrong. Even more so then you ask for yourself respect.
so resuming. (sigh)
u sayd pepsy dont change at all(at the start)
i show you that it did, not in the way you like it? awww im sorry, i was just telling you the facts.
u sayd that mercedes has its reasons to not change
i told u: U R RITE, but even so they make lil changes, they dont apply like in games? of couse
u say EA is the only one who does it
i told you, google, virgin, vodafone did too and before, you know who else? nike, addidas, rebook and many more. if you are ignoring these.. you ARE ignoring facts.
EA does it cool, the others too bro.
And.. you didnt responded me about what i thiked about bioware in EA. you just told me im incorrect because i havent moved on? please, i've triying to correct you with evidence, not to just tell you youre wrong, passed the marketing issues. I stated with why i think EA does have a bad story and even more in RPG and placed a link, if you didnt look over it, if you just got lazy on it, kk, be proud of yourself.
so will you or will you not give arguments? cuz im growing tired of waiting, and that comment over germany was totally out of context,like just saying im not intelligent because you avoided everything else in my comment.
Now if youre tryin to.. "win" the discution, hurray for you i dont care, its internet. im triying to have a conversation, not to show off or something.
did you see at least the video from extracreditz? those are the opinions of people on the industry.
By your comment your seem Russian. Tell me now something about wars, do they seem fun to you at any case to talk so lightly about them? if that's the case, u need to see blood my friend.
And i don't hide,like i sayd im in internet, i just really concern myself when im writing something important, but even so, i present my excuses because: i've never went to a course or something formal like im doing with german right now(yes thank you for seeing my profile), im half German, half Venezuelan, grown in Venezuela and very proud of it, not that i see any relevance on our conversation eighter a reason to call it a war, i reapeat, that's childish.
Even more so, if you believe what i really worked on to make it easy on you and give you references, to clear everything in a friendly and a most didactive way, just to evily bother you, with a OMG too long WOT.. you got it wrong. Even more so then you ask for yourself respect.
so resuming. (sigh)
u sayd pepsy dont change at all(at the start)
i show you that it did, not in the way you like it? awww im sorry, i was just telling you the facts.
u sayd that mercedes has its reasons to not change
i told u: U R RITE, but even so they make lil changes, they dont apply like in games? of couse
u say EA is the only one who does it
i told you, google, virgin, vodafone did too and before, you know who else? nike, addidas, rebook and many more. if you are ignoring these.. you ARE ignoring facts.
EA does it cool, the others too bro.
And.. you didnt responded me about what i thiked about bioware in EA. you just told me im incorrect because i havent moved on? please, i've triying to correct you with evidence, not to just tell you youre wrong, passed the marketing issues. I stated with why i think EA does have a bad story and even more in RPG and placed a link, if you didnt look over it, if you just got lazy on it, kk, be proud of yourself.
so will you or will you not give arguments? cuz im growing tired of waiting, and that comment over germany was totally out of context,like just saying im not intelligent because you avoided everything else in my comment.
Now if youre tryin to.. "win" the discution, hurray for you i dont care, its internet. im triying to have a conversation, not to show off or something.
did you see at least the video from extracreditz? those are the opinions of people on the industry.
By your comment your seem Russian. Tell me now something about wars, do they seem fun to you at any case to talk so lightly about them? if that's the case, u need to see blood my friend.
You are "hiding" though. Your excuse for your poor, barely intelligible english is "it's not my first language". It's not mine either, but i'd wager i speak the language better than most natives.Xenmut said:
As far as "war" goes... i was referencing the link the gentleman above posted. "War were declared" from Futurama, i think. But to answer your question, i am ex-Navy.
It's not really worth responding to anything else. I said "pepsi do not change their logo for each individual variety of drink they produce".
English obviously isn't your strong point, as you seem to have misread virtually every post in this thread, so maybe you should look for a nice German language webforum?
Why you always seem to ignore parts of my responses? i told you i dont really care for it, or would search for every ' and when not sure would search for every word. I dont think it is as barely untelligible as you say, because if it were ppl normaly would not understand me.YesConsiderably said:
Congrats if you are a ex-Navy, then i musst inform you, you take war too lightly for an ex-soldier, have you killed anyone? have you seen how your friends die? if so, you SHOULD know why those words were childish. Considering how many ppl die at them and suffer therefore, and how many ppl in Germany are now ashamed on theyr past, now being one of the most pacifist countries in the world.
Again, sorry if you didnt like the way i talked about pepsi, if it was another way of a change for the logo, but not to change in every drink, i was triying to make a diference between the changing of a logo and keeping visual identity, yeah, it hasnt anything to do with the question or comment on the forum, but i thought that it would be a good commentary, even if you despiced it, again, im sorry if it didnt comply with you, but that's not my interest.
then again, if youre an exnavy, you work now on marketing busyness or design? then HOW do you know im wrong on all the stuff i sayd? my english may be weak but your arguments are every time lamer
Why is not worth responding? because it has everything to do with your first question and more about the logo discution you were like beggin to win looking like a "gentleman". Yeah.. you bore me, you seem like a troll, you act like one, respond like one and when i get you oportunities to have a nice discution, you respond like a child.
nah thank you, ill stick in here, i like it =3
and dont worry about it, you won or whatever. meh..
