I have a feeling you never played the first Rainbow Six because you definitely needed different weapons for each mission.Gormers1 said:
Why Halo is called innovative?
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Well to be honest I havent played the first ones. My sentence was a bit off and exaggerated, I meant several completions of the same games (not that many though). Ive only finished vegas and played some earlier ones. But my opinion still stands with vegas. Im guessing youll say that vegas was a sidestep for the console tards? But anyway, sorry, you got me.
Sorry for back tracking a bit but this post stood out to me, so much so that I created an account with which to say this in rebuttal: WHAT!?!?!Best storyline? For an FPS? Are you kidding? It wasn't bad, but the best? Nawwwwwwwww....RIOT MAST3R said:
Now, Halo was not without innovation, many of the things mentioned time and time again in this thread made the game the fun fest that is was. God knows I spent hours A'schoolin my computer illiterate friends in LAN or split screen. Console FPS gave those less knowledgeable (geeky) people a chance to play without having to worry about system specs, installation, and other things you might have to deal with on a PC. My friends had to learn the controls, but so did I. Mouse and keyboard have been ingrained into my mind for the past 17 years. The control layout for Halo was and still is solid (though not as accurate as a mouse). Game play was fun and the scenery was varied and beautiful. But this is only Halo 1.
Halo 2 brought multiplayer, and while this does have merit and seems to work on a general level, there are deterring factors. Xbox Live has little to no moderation. Major issues are dealt with, but the majority of the minor stuff cannot be dealt with on such a large centralized system. I am a gamer, and as such when playing team games I like to be able to cooperate with my team. This is almost impossible to do when a 12 year old wants to tell you and your team about how "good" he is. Or some faceless frat boy spewing hate, racial slurs, and sexist ideals. THIS IS NOT LIMITED TO HALO, but because of the accessibility of the game it has become the breeding grounds for this sort of stuff. I'm not saying that all gamers on Live are like this but most of you know exactly what I'm talking about. If these kids were to do this kind of thing on say a Valve server (depending on who owns the specific server) a Mod would be there shortly to kick and probably ban the offender.
In closing, I like Halo, not the most innovative, but quite fun, and probably one of the most copied games these days. However, just as a playful jab, what if we took this question and applied it to another game. I'll use Half-Life, mainly because it is a pretty well known game, but also because I am a Valve fanboy. How was Half-Life innovative? If we discussed this in length and then compared its innovation with that of Halo, the difference would be very apparent. So yes, Halo is good clean fun, but like all good things it has some flaws.
Look back to the game Redline. It was released well before HL and it had an awesome vehicle component. You could get black armoured vans, muscle cars, dune buggies and many, many others. They were armed up the wazoo. You could use the mouse to pan your vision around the car while you blasted other vehicles and pedestrians. You could also exit your vehicle and take them out on foot with a buzzsaw that could have it's parts re-arranged into a machine gun, rocket launcher, shotgun, the works. This was back when using the mouse was still new and health came in floating spinning + signs and the mouse controls were basic (The default was using the page up/page down keys to look up or down).AgentNein said:
The vehicle controles in Halo were awful. You couldn't look left or right while travelling in a straight line which you have no idea how much that pisses me off and I'd wager it irked a lot of other PC gamers too.
Although this is a bit off-topic, it just occurred to me in many other threads (not this one) that the Halo series was hated BECAUSE all of its good scores. Since when did alot of praise become a bad thing. You can't declare a game shit just cause alot of other people like it.
While i am a fanboy, if someone disagrees with me then i won't try to impose my fanboyism upon them, but as for people who say stupid things without any justification like "Halo is shit, end of story" then i will have to challenge them.
While i am a fanboy, if someone disagrees with me then i won't try to impose my fanboyism upon them, but as for people who say stupid things without any justification like "Halo is shit, end of story" then i will have to challenge them.
Regenerating shields, 2 weapon limit, grenades and melee mapped to their own buttons, and the most responsive controls of any console FPS. All standards in modern shooters, all completely new when Halo 1 came out. Halo 1 invented the mechanics we see in practically every game on the market now. The orignal Halo was one of the most innovative games of all time. /threadraxiv said:
EDIT: I forgot to add its perfect implementation of vehicles. Halo: CE had the best vehicle controls in any FPS (and the Halo series still does) and it implemented the vehicles perfectly. They enhanced everything.
EDIT2: HAHAHA I just remembered another thing! The well balanced weapons. They each had their own look and feel and were each well balanced. Every weapon in the Halo series (each halo game, although they're tweaked and rebalanced in each game. I think it was perfected in Halo 3) can be devastating in the right hands and each has its own use which required players to think every time they saw another weapon on the ground (the weapons also had varying ammunition, depending on how many times the enemy fired them. ie, a gun that you take from an enemy that got of a crapload of shots will have maybe an eighth of its clip). Now, while this wasn't as prevalent on lower difficulty settings, it was extremely apparent on Heroic and Legendary. You needed to really think about all the possibilities and the consequences, the different scenarios you might encounter, etc... Another thing it had was great AI. Remember when this game came out. AI wasn't very advanced back then, but the AI in Halo: CE was fantastic. Each different unit reacted differently to many of the same things. For example: You shoot out most of an Elite's shields and he jumps behind some cover. You run around the cover, beat him and knock out his shields completely. He tries to kill you with the butt of his plasma rifle, but you jump out of the way and score a headshot with the pistol you were carrying as your secondary weapon. Now that the grunts don't have a leader, they start running and screaming in complete disarray. A few of them hide behind a wall and muster up enough courage to try and face you. They jump out of cover and start firing blindly in your direction. A few jackals run in front of them to provide for some protection. This gives the grunts a higher morale and they get more courageous. Their shots get more accurate and they start huddling behind the jackal's energy shields and pop out to take a few shots whenever they can. This happened to me quite a few times and it provided quite a challenge. Halo was extremely innovative. People are just comparing it to all the games that ripped it off (although they think Halo ripped the modern games off...even though it came out over 5 years earlier).
Enough with the fanboy crap, enough with the pointless comments. Please, someone, end this thread. It's over. Halo was innovative and it's quite obvious if you compare it to the other FPS's of the time. It invented all the things that have become commonplace, while some games are still trying to catch up with many of the mechanics it implemented. There are still games with horrible vehicle sections, unbalanced weapons, and poor controls. Seriously. /thread
Has it ever occurred to you that you might be the fanboy in this situation? You're openly insulting anyone who defends the game, denouncing their arguments as semi-objective and non-worthy while providing none of your own.Cucumber said:
Your sole contibution so far has been "I still find the PC version better"
Well thanks. That ends the debate right there.
Because it is more sandbox than the last few actual sandbox games. The last few of Rockstar North's attempts are getting more contrived and more contrived, they're almost like choose your own adventure books, [which are a bad idea in the first place] I think the idea of a sandbox game is to find out how exactly 'I' would would go about doing things my way.
Also because I just smoked three guys online with a well-placed pineapple and a little help from a GRAVITY EMITTING HAMMER!
Also because I just smoked three guys online with a well-placed pineapple and a little help from a GRAVITY EMITTING HAMMER!
You're not actually trying to say that GTA IV wasn't set in an open world, right? Because if you are, there are just no words to describe that level of stupid... *facepalm*Mr Scott said:
Okay, I read through some of this and I saw alot of Halo Fanboys making all sorts of claims, and then lots of people calling them on it and everything just devolved from there.
Personally, yes I regard the original Halo and even the entire Halo series as rather groundbreaking. Now before the "GTFO FANBOY" comments get flung at me, let me qualify that statement.
Halo:CE was groundbreaking not necessarily that it did all these new and fancy things that expanded what we think of FPSs, it just did all the old things so phenomenally well that it turned peoples heads. At the base of it, the engine (I believe it was the havok engine, though i could be wrong so dont quote me) worked seamlessly. The controls were smooth as silk and everything worked the way it should. All the buttons were intuitive and worked together well. Halo was also one of the first shooters to implement a control scheme that accounted for 2 control sticks, one for movement and the other for swivel (i.e. where you look and aim). Stop and think for a second, what FPS came out before or around the time of CE that smoothly incorporated two joysticks? I have trouble thinking of one, though there may very well have been one.
Many other factors worked together, like the immensely entertaining multiplayer, while not necessarily special in its own right, helped to build a mold into which future games have been built. Imitation being the sincerest form of flattery.
Personally, yes I regard the original Halo and even the entire Halo series as rather groundbreaking. Now before the "GTFO FANBOY" comments get flung at me, let me qualify that statement.
Halo:CE was groundbreaking not necessarily that it did all these new and fancy things that expanded what we think of FPSs, it just did all the old things so phenomenally well that it turned peoples heads. At the base of it, the engine (I believe it was the havok engine, though i could be wrong so dont quote me) worked seamlessly. The controls were smooth as silk and everything worked the way it should. All the buttons were intuitive and worked together well. Halo was also one of the first shooters to implement a control scheme that accounted for 2 control sticks, one for movement and the other for swivel (i.e. where you look and aim). Stop and think for a second, what FPS came out before or around the time of CE that smoothly incorporated two joysticks? I have trouble thinking of one, though there may very well have been one.
Many other factors worked together, like the immensely entertaining multiplayer, while not necessarily special in its own right, helped to build a mold into which future games have been built. Imitation being the sincerest form of flattery.
Yes it actually was since the First Rainbow Six and its subsequent expansions and sequels were Tactical Shooters until they were released on the console with Rainbow Six: Lockdown.Gormers1 said:
I would say it was graphically innovative and the openness of it, but nothing much else.
No the dual control scheme was actually used in other games (such as red faction)
Co-op was in Perfect Dark
The first FPS on a console that showed that FPSes could work well on consoles was Golden Eye.
I'm not too sure on the vehicles, so it might actually gain a point there.
No the dual control scheme was actually used in other games (such as red faction)
Co-op was in Perfect Dark
The first FPS on a console that showed that FPSes could work well on consoles was Golden Eye.
I'm not too sure on the vehicles, so it might actually gain a point there.
ok heres what it comes down to, Halo 1 is not innovative, what it comes down to is that halo set a standard control scheyme ( i know thats spelled wrong) for an xbox fps, in addition the gameplay was enjoyable and the multiplayer was hillarious, and intense
not innovative, just fun and set a console standard.
I really do need to copy and paste this to a word doc so that i can just paste it every time this topic comes up, ive typed that exact statement more times than i can count
not innovative, just fun and set a console standard.
I really do need to copy and paste this to a word doc so that i can just paste it every time this topic comes up, ive typed that exact statement more times than i can count
You idiot, he was talking about throughout the history of games. Although he is still wrong, it was DOOM which I don't think the designers actually used much out of Alien when they designed a game in which you fight your way through hell and back to close off some kind of interdimetional super-highway that threatens to le loose about 90,000,000,000 legions of demons upon the unsuspecting human race.
You are a self absorbed dick if you think that playing on a console rather than a computer actually makes you a stupider gamer. If more developers would release smarter shooters on consoles ( as they seem to have done with Fallout 3) you would see that there are many of us that would enjoy such a challenge. Like for example myself.