Why Heavy Rain is a good game and Final Fantasy 13 isn't - a compare (Mild spoilers)

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GamesGibbon

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Now I played both these games a few months ago and they both stuck in my mind, albeit for different reasons. If you haven?t played these games the basics are thus:

Heavy rain was a semi-original concept game based loosely on films like Se7en. It was filled with interesting and mostly realistic characters that you could identify with. Final Fantasy sevenhundred and six was a ridiculous colour fest filled with absolute morons and the sort of dialogue that could cause you to abandon the English language altogether.


The unlikley named Ethan Mars

For those who DID play the games here is a little test. Think about Ethan Mars the protagonist of Heavy Rain ? what can you tell me about him?

* Crappy Parent
* Bit soppy
* Unlucky
* Eventually brave
* Loving
* Architect
* Lived in a house bought from IKEA

Now let's look at Kurt Cobain from Final Fantasy - What can we remember about him?

* Beanie

Maybe I'm being a bit flippant here, I can remember one more thing about him, and he was a huge penis.

The other characters in Final Fantasy were equally bad. They were all standard JRPG caricatures but these ones grated especially badly. We had the wise cracking black fellow the angsty heart of gold woman the zany one the annoying child - and by god they were awful. It actually got to the point where I was letting them die just so I could see them collapse. In fact the only character I could relate to was the chocobo that lived in Lionel Ritchie's hair. The mass chocobo slaughter was the point at which I refused to play the game anymore.

Heavy Rains cast grew on me to the point that I was so incredibly tense playing the game knowing that they could die at pretty much any moment that it wasn't even fun anymore (Not fun in a good way). Every time there was a fight scene or it looked like something dodgy might be about to happen I'd just sit there for 5 minutes refusing to go any further. There are a few let downs like Scott Shelby the 45 year old overweight private detective suddenly going all Tony Montana and shooting up a villa filled with bad guys and the slightly needless sex scene between Ethan and Madison, but that aside it all made sense.



He deserves this for wearing sunglasses indoors

You might have noticed that I've been using Heavy Rains characters real names and naming Final Fantasies after people with whom they share a vague resemblance. That's partly because I don't remember their names and partly because the names I do remember are so incredibly stupid. All the names seem to be random nouns or precipitations like Snow, Lightening or Hope. It makes me wonder if I'd played until the end I might have come across Fog, Horse and Xbox. The bizzaro names aren't confined to the people either - the world on which the game is set is called Pulse and the city is called Cocoon. Maybe these are bad translations from the Japanese version but that's no excuse for the utterly made up words like L'Cie or Fal'Cie. The translation actually is pretty poor - after killing groups space pigs you are offered 'spoils' instead of loot. I mean 'spoils'? Really? As in the 'spoils of war'? Because I think 'spoils' is a rather grandiose term for some spacepig hair or another Beardoglion horn.

Heavy Rain has its language problems too but that's more to do with the voice acting. The game was made over in France by French people but set in America. Now I'm not an expert on American accents but even I could tell Norman 'Nomnom' Jayden was clearly spending too much time holidaying in Europe. The best example is when you play as a child whose about 8 years old and grew up the the noir city the game is set in. He would have sounded less French if he'd started speaking it.

Ah! But Final Fantasy had amazing graphics I hear you cry! So did Heavy Rain I retort. And in fact Heavy Rains visuals were better and this is why - Its allot harder to make things look realistic and Heavy Rain looks realistic. Final Fantasy is just an orgy of colour and ridiculous lighting. That's not hard that just wastes a lot of processing speed. The graphics in Heavy Rain are there to immerse you while in Final Fantasy they are there to stun you. I myself find immersion more important.



Being in Final Fantasy can make you this miserable

Heavy Rain isn't totally original, it reminded me a bit of Shenmue (Now that's how you do a JRPG) and it borrows heavily from the games that its company made before it (Nomad Soul/Fahrenheit) but it was original enough that it should be praised and celebrated. I think the stand out moment is when you are put into a situation where you have to chop of a part of your body. I didn't realize this at the time but there are about 10 different ways to do it including refusing. I think everyone should be forced to play this scene as a sort of sick personality test. I myself when for the big knife and then used a heated iron rod to cauterize the wound, genius. My friend used some disinfectant and a saw, not genius.

I'm not even going to go into the more technical details of Final Fantasy such as the rubbish 'crystalarium' XP system or the fact the only thing you really need to do in combat is mash the A button. Nor will I talk about how ever mission is an overly long corridor that you will grow sick of after about 4 minutes. I won't even mention how impenetrable the plot is. For the record I made an effort to understand it just in case I was missing something and read all of the 60 million text entries in the logbook. I wish I hadn't. In fact that was probably the greatest mistake of my life - and that's coming from someone who spent 15 years in prison.

I hadn't played a Final Fantasy game since Final Fantasy 8 which I actually liked. Final Fantasy was almost exactly the same but I hated it. It's like a replica of a beautiful portrait which you then found out was painted by Hitler

Basically Heavy Rain made me feel a lot of things. Final Fantasy made me feel one thing and that was that I wanted to pull out my eyeballs and use them as earplugs.
 

RockyH

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Haven't really played heavy rain yet, but skmming through this made me want to get it... Shame its not on xbox...
 

D_987

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Yay, let's compare two games that have absolutely nothing to do with each other! And let's not even compare those two games properly, but simply state our thoughts on the matter, therefore creating a review on two games in which we don't properly review either one...
 

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D_987 said:
Yay, let's compare two games that have absolutely nothing to do with each other! And let's not even compare those two games properly, but simply state our thoughts on the matter, therefore creating a review on two games in which we don't properly review either one...
First off, I'll say I generally agree with the OP's opinion that Heavy Rain is better than FFXII. But yeah, this ^^^^

Your opinion is valid, but I'm afraid that still doesn't elevate it to the rank of fact.
 

Kapol

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Well, I thought it was an interesting comparison, though the grammar has more then a few problems (the most blatant being the run on sentence). Having played both myself, I agree completely. I stopped playing FF13 the day I got it, because I found it dull and tedious while at the same time trying to throw you right into the action without giving any real reason. Heavy Rain takes the opposite approach. Start slow (so very, very slow...) and continue speeding up until the climax. Even at the end though, it's not all that fast really. It's never nearly as fast as FF13 at least.

But as others said, these two games have nothing to do with each other really.
 

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D_987 said:
Yay, let's compare two games that have absolutely nothing to do with each other! And let's not even compare those two games properly, but simply state our thoughts on the matter, therefore creating a review on two games in which we don't properly review either one...
I agree that they are totally different - one is good and one is bad. Thats the only real comparison I am making.
 

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D_987 said:
Yay, let's compare two games that have absolutely nothing to do with each other! And let's not even compare those two games properly, but simply state our thoughts on the matter, therefore creating a review on two games in which we don't properly review either one...
Thats pretty much what i was going to say.

OT: while both are great games i still prefer Final Fantasy XIII. All you have done is stated your opinion on why you think Heavy Rain is better than Final Fantasy XIII.
 

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GamesGibbon said:
D_987 said:
Yay, let's compare two games that have absolutely nothing to do with each other! And let's not even compare those two games properly, but simply state our thoughts on the matter, therefore creating a review on two games in which we don't properly review either one...
I agree that they are totally different - one is good and one is bad. Thats the only real comparison I am making.
That isn't making a comparison between the two games thats just stating your opinion

EDIT: Sorry about the double post.
 

GamesGibbon

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Kungfu_Teddybear said:
D_987 said:
Yay, let's compare two games that have absolutely nothing to do with each other! And let's not even compare those two games properly, but simply state our thoughts on the matter, therefore creating a review on two games in which we don't properly review either one...
Thats pretty much what i was going to say.

OT: while both are great games i still prefer Final Fantasy XIII. All you have done is stated your opinion on why you think Heavy Rain is better than Final Fantasy XIII.
Everything anyone ever says or writes is an opinion. I'm not sure what your point is exactly?
 

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Well, I can't comment on FF13 cause I've never played it. However, Heavy Rain suffers from some pretty large plot holes. For example, those 'blackouts' Ethan has frequently at the beginning of the game for seemingly no reason, they never really explain these, nor do they explain why they don't happen again after your son is kidnapped.
 

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GamesGibbon said:
Kungfu_Teddybear said:
D_987 said:
Yay, let's compare two games that have absolutely nothing to do with each other! And let's not even compare those two games properly, but simply state our thoughts on the matter, therefore creating a review on two games in which we don't properly review either one...
Thats pretty much what i was going to say.

OT: while both are great games i still prefer Final Fantasy XIII. All you have done is stated your opinion on why you think Heavy Rain is better than Final Fantasy XIII.
Everything anyone ever says or writes is an opinion. I'm not sure what your point is exactly?
He's saying that he respects your opinion but comparing these two games is like comparing Gran Turismo and Fifa, they're both sports game but they're completely different and are meant to be completely different.
 

GundamSentinel

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I love both games and didn't even notice the graphics until a friend of mine pointed out how good the water streaming down characters' faces looks (Heavy Rain) and how absurd the FF eyecandy actually is. Personally, I don't care for that. But other than that, the comparison is totally skewed. Nothing is gained by comparing these two games.
 

Sigmund Av Volsung

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Easy! Heavy Rain was incredibly gritty and realistic, and at least there was some impact made in the story by THE PLAYER'S ACTIONS.

While FFXIII on the other hand, is about bitchy teenagers, whining, bitching, being emos and mainly being twats.

P.S. and the combat sucks dick to the equivalent of a prostitute convention.
 

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I've never played Final Fantasy games mostly because I've never had the desire to play them, I've played Heavy Rain (looks at username and avatar) and thought it was a great experience, and it immersed me enough into the world that I felt each of the character's lives were my own and I HAD to keep them alive. It evoked emotions of hatred, happiness, sorrow, confusion, tenseness, and panic. So yes it was a good game.

However, from what I've heard from Final Fantasy 13 and some of it's predecessors they are decent to good to maybe even "teh best gaem evar" games. I mean you could judge a game based on the lasting impression it leaves on you, or you can judge a game on the experience. I'm a guy that buys sports games (almost) every year, not for the impression they will leave on me, but for the enjoyment of the moment. Some games are meant to leave you with something that you will remember, be it the characters, a certain scene, or a message (Heavy Rain had all of these tome). Other games are meant to give you an experience, to bring you happiness for those 20-50 hours (or more/less) of gameplay. Maybe because I've never played Final Fantasy 13 or any of the previous games I don't understand that it is supposed to give the player something to take away and not just be for the experience. One question to leave you with, if you played Final Fantasy...was it, you know, fun? That should be the ultimate in determining a good game, if it was fun.
 

GamesGibbon

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He's saying that he respects your opinion but comparing these two games is like comparing Gran Turismo and Fifa, they're both sports game but they're completely different and are meant to be completely different.
Well I disagree then.

If I said to you do you want to go sky-diving or salsa dancing you would have to make a comparison in your head between the two choices given to you however alien they might be to each other.
 

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Your points on both games are valid enough, but coloured by your opinion. I enjoyed FFXIII, despite its flaws, as I enjoyed Heavy Rain, despite its flaws.

FFXIII's biggest problems are also its greatest strengths. Directed storytelling can be good, as Squaresoft learned in FFIX and FFX, but they went too far in FFXIII, making all the encounters, your characters and their strength and abilities guaranteed to be at a certain level at a certain point. There is no going through the game and power leveling, or struggling to go through with a minimal amount of leveling - the former is prevented by level caps and the latter by the fact you'd die without leveling. This provides tightly balanced and enjoyable combat in the first play through but no re-playability.

Heavy Rain made me happy, sad, angry, disappointed and much more... particularly the last two in my second play through. The game is a clever deception, a linear happening of events portrayed in such a way as to make you believe you do have a choice, when in fact you cannot effect the plot all that much. You can't refuse to do the bear trial, you can't affect the "Sexy Girl" scene in any way, you can't get Scott killed, and worst of all, failing all of Ethan's trials doesn't change the game in any substantial way. You'd think the angsty bastard would sink into despair and off himself, but nope, nothing like that. Ultimately, Heavy Rain was advertised on choice, and it was all a clever deception. That pisses me off.

TL;DR - Final Fantasy XIII and Heavy Rain are both deeply flawed. Heavy Rain's highs were higher, but so are its lows. Either way, I'm pretty much guaranteed to buy a sequel to either game.