Why i hate fallout 3.
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I preferred the Fallout leveling system because it's quicker to level, you don't have to grind, and as someone said in a different thread a while ago, you don't have to have a planner of what you're going to do each day if you want to get max skills. That was really my only annoyance about Oblivion.woodduck_406 said:
If you got this because you liked Oblivion, you were severely disillusioned. It is not just "oblivion with guns". It is an entirely different series, style and genre. There was no way the two would be the same. Also about the 50's style, it was described as a 50's view of the future, not what actually happened.DalekJaas said:
Well, let me making something clear. I highly dislike you.
Alot of your points are based off comparisons to other games. Fair enough, maybe it's a good thing to compare games. However, if one uber game came out, the whole world of gaming would be equal to moot. So you can't compare it to ONE game, because everyone had different tastes. It would be like saying you hate meat, because your a vegatarian. Us many omnivores out here would disagree.
And on a side note, the voice acting is not worse than Oblivion. Nothing is worse than that pissfest of a voice acting failure. Oblivion is a good game, but I litterally avoided conversation. Especially with nameless NPCs.
Alot of your points are based off comparisons to other games. Fair enough, maybe it's a good thing to compare games. However, if one uber game came out, the whole world of gaming would be equal to moot. So you can't compare it to ONE game, because everyone had different tastes. It would be like saying you hate meat, because your a vegatarian. Us many omnivores out here would disagree.
And on a side note, the voice acting is not worse than Oblivion. Nothing is worse than that pissfest of a voice acting failure. Oblivion is a good game, but I litterally avoided conversation. Especially with nameless NPCs.
Also, a thousand times THIS. Rak summed up alot of points that I can't really express here. Although harsh, you can't diss the backstory when you haven't played the originals. They're just trying to cater to the old fans, however much they still hate the game.RAKtheUndead said:
I hate Fallout 3 for four reasons:
1. Story mission was a joke
2. An RPG game in which you are able to max all abilities takes away the replayability of the game
3. People who have no online compatibility (like me) are left out from all the updates and bug fixes
4. The perk choices are a joke (75% of them are just for gimmicks)
I can also say they will never create Fallout 4. Bethesda, pls make another FPS/TPS/RPG game in which online compatibility is not needed.
1. Story mission was a joke
2. An RPG game in which you are able to max all abilities takes away the replayability of the game
3. People who have no online compatibility (like me) are left out from all the updates and bug fixes
4. The perk choices are a joke (75% of them are just for gimmicks)
I can also say they will never create Fallout 4. Bethesda, pls make another FPS/TPS/RPG game in which online compatibility is not needed.
i personally loved Fallout 3, but thats no reason for me to flame you as your intitled to you own opinion, and even if i did flame you it wouldn't accomplish anything, since you would probaly still hold your opinion.
Point by point:
1. I thought the environments looked better than Oblivion.
2. That's the point of the series. It's the future, as imagined in the 1950s. Everything looks Jetsons-meets-Lost-in-Space for a reason. At least it's different from every other futuristic, everything's made of dark colored plastic, aesthetic of "realistic" futuristic games. Those games will look really dated and stupid in 200 years. Fallout 3 will just be recognized for it's wonderful aesthetic choice.
3. You kidding? The voice acting is much improved. Patrick Stewart aside.
4. Wait, you can't make just any arbitrary decision you want in a game? Did you consider that maybe the video game isn't smart and there isn't a little magic pixie living in your computer that magically puts images on the screen? There are going to be limitations to what they can do, and what they can write, to make everything work.
5. The Brotherhood of Steel... they're technophiles masquerading as righteous paladins. That's their thing. If you can come up with a better name for people who get off on Tesla Power Armor, I'd sure like to hear it.
6. You do have a reticule. It's not like you can't aim.
7. You didn't like the story because it wasn't a believable post-apocalyptic epic set in the future as seen by modern day? What did you expect when you bought Fallout 3?
I don't think you "get" the Fallout universe. Try the original or Fallout 2. They're cheap. You can get them for $6 each at GOG. I got into them fairly recently. They're good games. Very accessible. They even have good decent acting.
1. I thought the environments looked better than Oblivion.
2. That's the point of the series. It's the future, as imagined in the 1950s. Everything looks Jetsons-meets-Lost-in-Space for a reason. At least it's different from every other futuristic, everything's made of dark colored plastic, aesthetic of "realistic" futuristic games. Those games will look really dated and stupid in 200 years. Fallout 3 will just be recognized for it's wonderful aesthetic choice.
3. You kidding? The voice acting is much improved. Patrick Stewart aside.
4. Wait, you can't make just any arbitrary decision you want in a game? Did you consider that maybe the video game isn't smart and there isn't a little magic pixie living in your computer that magically puts images on the screen? There are going to be limitations to what they can do, and what they can write, to make everything work.
5. The Brotherhood of Steel... they're technophiles masquerading as righteous paladins. That's their thing. If you can come up with a better name for people who get off on Tesla Power Armor, I'd sure like to hear it.
6. You do have a reticule. It's not like you can't aim.
7. You didn't like the story because it wasn't a believable post-apocalyptic epic set in the future as seen by modern day? What did you expect when you bought Fallout 3?
I don't think you "get" the Fallout universe. Try the original or Fallout 2. They're cheap. You can get them for $6 each at GOG. I got into them fairly recently. They're good games. Very accessible. They even have good decent acting.
I agree that Bethesda seriously dropped the ball, but I don't hate Fallout 3; however, (for mainly for the OP) this thread is more or less along the lines of "I hate the new Dr. Who, even though I never watched the old ones because [insert a few reasons the series sucks without a full understanding of the entire series]."
F3 is more a matter of taste than anything. Yes, there are quite a few things I wish they would have done better, mainly not expect the player to clean their HDD cache every time they want to play or (my personal favorite) punishing the player for playing the game (i.e. if you don't pickpocket the merchants and their bodyguards to give them the best armor and weapons available - which (amongst a few other things) requires you to focus quite a few points into Sneak so you're not spending more time reloading the game because you keep getting caught trying to help them - they'll start to die off when you really start needing them... and yes they haven't fixed that yet).
F3 is more a matter of taste than anything. Yes, there are quite a few things I wish they would have done better, mainly not expect the player to clean their HDD cache every time they want to play or (my personal favorite) punishing the player for playing the game (i.e. if you don't pickpocket the merchants and their bodyguards to give them the best armor and weapons available - which (amongst a few other things) requires you to focus quite a few points into Sneak so you're not spending more time reloading the game because you keep getting caught trying to help them - they'll start to die off when you really start needing them... and yes they haven't fixed that yet).
Here's a mod you might like: http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=1410DalekJaas said:
It lets you play as an Enclave Commander. I'm not sure if it actually affects the storyline, but it's better than nothing.
Also, if that isn't enough for you, you can join the slavers, and that is pretty evil.
Responding to points 1, 2 and 4.
1. It was the radiation that made the supermutants what they are, it was a virus or something like that which pretty much made them huge and took away their brainpower kind of like a weird ork from warhammer 40k type thing, and in my oppinion most of the other mutated things, ghouls, yao guai or however you spell it, and deathclaws were done nicely.
2. I can understand the dislike of the retrofutureism, though i personally like the differences it brings into the game. The reason its supposed to be like that is because society and most of its values didnt change much in the fallout universe thingy after WWII.
4.Well in oblivion could you join the black hand and unleash Mehrunes Dagon or whatever on the empire? In fallout you may not be able join the enclave which im guessing is probably cause they killed your dad. But you can do something at the end of the game.
(Personally i think it would be pretty cool if they did put in some ironsights and you could join the enclave but w/e)
1. It was the radiation that made the supermutants what they are, it was a virus or something like that which pretty much made them huge and took away their brainpower kind of like a weird ork from warhammer 40k type thing, and in my oppinion most of the other mutated things, ghouls, yao guai or however you spell it, and deathclaws were done nicely.
2. I can understand the dislike of the retrofutureism, though i personally like the differences it brings into the game. The reason its supposed to be like that is because society and most of its values didnt change much in the fallout universe thingy after WWII.
4.Well in oblivion could you join the black hand and unleash Mehrunes Dagon or whatever on the empire? In fallout you may not be able join the enclave which im guessing is probably cause they killed your dad. But you can do something at the end of the game.
(Personally i think it would be pretty cool if they did put in some ironsights and you could join the enclave but w/e)
I... don't think you're intended to reverse pickpocket the merchants and guards...FrossetMareritt said:
That's falls into exploit territory.
The Forced Evolutionary Virus (FEV). It's also what's responsible for every mutated creature in the game, including the ghouls. (Although the FEV not used by Fallout's big bad itself was mutated by the radiation of the wasteland. Go figure.) Radiation damage actually reduces the effectiveness of "dipping." That's why the big bad from Fallout was trying to gain access to the vaults... because the vaults contained uncontaminated humans that would become intelligent super mutants, like the Lieutenant.Adeptus_Astartes said:
Yes, F3 is very much what the 50's thought the future would actually look like; if you don't understand the setting, watch some old B&W videos of 'this is what the future will look like' (like they really did think that we would only have to work 2 hours a week at the turn of the millennium)ThrobbingEgo said:
No, I think it falls into Bethesda rushing this game out without ever taking the time to play it (and I mean that everyone on their team should have played it) then we wouldn't see as many glitches and bugs as we do right now. What they should have done is place about 5-7 highly armored and armed bodyguards around the merchant, but most of Bethesda didn't play F1 or F2 so they wouldn't know... that and the caravans were random not fixed.ThrobbingEgo said:
He is simply offering an opinion based upon his own experiences with the game and Oblivion. His viewpoint is of a new person to the series, and it is how he sees the game. To call his opinion as invalid because it goes against your ideals doesn't sound very tolerant. His opinion is just as valid as yours, because it is what he believes and experienced.RAKtheUndead said:
I'm a little confused that you labeled one of your complaints as a personal problem when that's what they all are. If all of your problems with the game are based on taste, the game's just not for you. Denouncing it's aesthetic and setting choices (which they can't drop and still make it a Fallout game) online isn't going to do anything but start an argument, so I'm just going to assume that's exactly what you want to do and respond in kind: you have poor taste, and should stick to less classy games. Like Killzone. *Thbbbbbbbt*