Why i hate fallout 3.

[Pezzer]

So basically all you care about is the story/environment and you don't give a **** about the gameplay or the hilarity of Fallout 3.

Oh Dear...

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

So, right, let me get this straight: You've never played the originals, correct? Then your view is invalid, and you're not entitled to complain about the game, unlike myself, who has played Fallout 1 and 2 in depth, and therefore has the entitlement to complain about the third game in the series.

Until you've played the originals, you really haven't got much of a clue about where Bethesda went wrong (and indeed, where it got things right). I hereby rescind the validity of your rant against the series until you've played 1 and 2, and realised exactly why they're retrofuturistic, and where the Brotherhood of Steel actually came from.

He is simply offering an opinion based upon his own experiences with the game and Oblivion. His viewpoint is of a new person to the series, and it is how he sees the game. To call his opinion as invalid because it goes against your ideals doesn't sound very tolerant. His opinion is just as valid as yours, because it is what he believes and experienced.

Not really. It's more like thinking Shakespeare is bad because all the characters are speaking Shakespearian [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iambic_pentameter].

"I don't like Shakespeare. It's stupid. Why did people talk like that? It's written in, like, old English."

"No. It's not. You're just an idiot."

I'm not saying you have to like the game, but if you clearly don't get a design choice that doesn't mean it's bad.

So basically all you care about is the story/environment and you don't give a **** about the gameplay or the hilarity of Fallout 3.

Oh Dear...

Actually, the story/environment is the reason why I'm willing to forgive Fallout's gameplay quirks. (Admittedly, the action-RPG "soggy cardboard combat" is not nearly as bad as it was in VTMB. Interestingly enough, that game can be seen as a distant cousin to the Fallout franchise, as it was developed by Troika games. Troika was founded by the people in charge of Fallout. Anyway, the influence shows.)

 

[VitalSigns]

Fallout 3 is the best game I have ever played. Story, Dark Humor, weapon variety, re-playability. I have put 60 hours total into my 2 characters and haven't been bored during a second of it.

NOTE*** the futuristic representation of the 1950's is amazing! If you didn't like that your crazy!

 

[jimduckie]

the level cap , the karma thing ,were bullshit , the hacking and lock pick were unnecessary and no automatic repair of weapons and outfits was sad

 

[Clashero]

So, right, let me get this straight: You've never played the originals, correct? Then your view is invalid, and you're not entitled to complain about the game, unlike myself, who has played Fallout 1 and 2 in depth, and therefore has the entitlement to complain about the third game in the series.

Until you've played the originals, you really haven't got much of a clue about where Bethesda went wrong (and indeed, where it got things right). I hereby rescind the validity of your rant against the series until you've played 1 and 2, and realised exactly why they're retrofuturistic, and where the Brotherhood of Steel actually came from.

This precisely. If the game had just been called, I dunno, Postapocalypse, I would have enjoyed it more. But every time I paused the game reminded me that it was called FALLOUT. So I kept thinking about all the things it did wrong.

Also, OP: Stop comparing Fallout 3 and Oblivion. Fallout 3 should be compared to Fallout 1 and 2.

 

[uncle-ellis]

4. I CANT JOIN THE BAD GUYS!!!! I completely agreed with what the enclave was doing, screw the irradiated and save what's left of the world. But you can't join them, what's up with that?!?!
Oblivion had so many factions to join, you could really play how you wanted to. That brings me to 5.

I agree with the whole faction thing but you sound kinda like a Nazi.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

So, right, let me get this straight: You've never played the originals, correct? Then your view is invalid, and you're not entitled to complain about the game, unlike myself, who has played Fallout 1 and 2 in depth, and therefore has the entitlement to complain about the third game in the series.

Until you've played the originals, you really haven't got much of a clue about where Bethesda went wrong (and indeed, where it got things right). I hereby rescind the validity of your rant against the series until you've played 1 and 2, and realised exactly why they're retrofuturistic, and where the Brotherhood of Steel actually came from.

This precisely. If the game had just been called, I dunno, Postapocalypse, I would have enjoyed it more. But every time I paused the game reminded me that it was called FALLOUT. So I kept thinking about all the things it did wrong.

Also, OP: Stop comparing Fallout 3 and Oblivion. Fallout 3 should be compared to Fallout 1 and 2.

What did Fallout 3 do wrong? Aside from not being Van Buren?

 

[OwenEdwards]

I'm not even going to read the thread beyond the original post, because anyone who seriously acts as if they think (albeit mutant) genocide's a pretty sweet idea needs prison rape and a Glasgow smile.

 

[Mrsoupcup]

Well I love Fallout but Oblivion is definatly more pollished.

 

[Da_Schwartz]

I agree with pretty much every point you make. Though i wouldn't use the word hate. It's not a terrible game but it is def overrated. Fun but overrated. The other main thing that pisses me off about the game which you forgot to mention is that by the time you get downtown it seems the level designers simply gave up. You can't get more then two blocks without having to for the most part "sewer rat" your way around the city. I mean come on.

Also I didn't think it was clever or witty. If you look for humor you will find it, but really theres nothing laugh out loud about it. Also i don't care what you say it's very very easy. I know its for the most part an rpg, but vats makes the game brainless (and kinda awesome). Anyway now im about to start nitpicking. I liked it, been through it one and a half times. But i'm done with it.

 

[Clashero]

So, right, let me get this straight: You've never played the originals, correct? Then your view is invalid, and you're not entitled to complain about the game, unlike myself, who has played Fallout 1 and 2 in depth, and therefore has the entitlement to complain about the third game in the series.

Until you've played the originals, you really haven't got much of a clue about where Bethesda went wrong (and indeed, where it got things right). I hereby rescind the validity of your rant against the series until you've played 1 and 2, and realised exactly why they're retrofuturistic, and where the Brotherhood of Steel actually came from.

This precisely. If the game had just been called, I dunno, Postapocalypse, I would have enjoyed it more. But every time I paused the game reminded me that it was called FALLOUT. So I kept thinking about all the things it did wrong.

Also, OP: Stop comparing Fallout 3 and Oblivion. Fallout 3 should be compared to Fallout 1 and 2.

What did Fallout 3 do wrong? Aside from not being Van Buren?

Mostly it had to do with some inconsistencies in the setting and the lack of freedom compared to previous titles.

Also, pretty broken Karma, the elimination of Traits, level 20 cap, 100 point skill cap, perks at every level, which made it too easy.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

What did Fallout 3 do wrong? Aside from not being Van Buren?

Mostly it had to do with some inconsistencies in the setting and the lack of freedom compared to previous titles.

I haven't run into those problems. What's changed?

Edit: D'aww....

 

[Pennyy9]

This is my counter opinion. Since the same company made both games, the voice acting hasn't changed much. The 1950's art style is what made Fallout stand out in the first place, and since the bombs fell, the era has been frozen in place. The retro futurism extends beyond the art style, into the super mutants and etc. . Besides, the whole point of the game is not to join whoever you want ( Can you join the Daedra?) It's to save your fathers wasteland dream, however the hell you want to.

If you are mentioning the bad naming of the brotherhood of steel, you failed to mention the fact that there are groups with names like "The Mages guild" in Oblivion, so don't fault a game without faulting what made it that way, Oblivion did the same thing. Here are some great games without iron sights:

Halo 3
Left 4 Dead
Time splitters

And for the ridiculous setting...
Oblivion is about preventing the Evil Daedric prince of destruction from opening Magic portals between hell and Cyrodil, by lighting sacred fires ontop of a castle to seal the portals with magic.I think Nukes are a little more believable. At least Fallout 3 is just an alternate history, not a different world.

If I went into every game that allowed moral choice and expected to follow my personal ethic code I would be disappointed, because I have the a thing for stealing, but a compulsion for socio-economic equality (like robin hood, but with more Communism) I try to lower my expectations, which lessens disappointment.

Fallout was not meant to be an Oblivion clone, but when you compare everything fallout did differently, you get a different style of game, not a worse one. Bethesda Made Fallout with the experience of oblivion in their belts, but they still had to remain true to the classic Fallout formula.

Remember to Look out for Yao guai


~Pennyy9

 

[LogicNProportion]

1. I for one felt it to be a good change from all the Dead Space-y monsters around nowadays. No one does it right except Silent Hill anyways...

2. I think it's a very refreshing idea that we see only too few of. Plus, this game is self parody-ing that whole 'world of tomorrow' time in America's history, so laugh with it about how cheesy it is.

3. I disagree completely. Being a close looker on VA's and aspiring to be one myself at some point in my life, I would say the VA's in Fallout 3 are so much better than the half-assed job they did for Oblivion.

4. It wasn't just muties, it was all exposed people of the wasteland too. True that's what you believe in, and I respect that, but that's cold hearted dude.

5. Oblivion's names were terrible too. Dark Brotherhood, Night's of the Nine, and everything else was mainly GUILDS with the word, oh, lemme think GUILD right in there.

6. While I agree that realism dictates there should have been iron-sights, I believe VATS was to compensate for that. VATS after all is not an improved aiming system, it's just reading out a percentage of how you could have hit them anyway in real-time.

7. And yet Oblivion's was somehow tedious and had you doing the same thing over and over. I don't think you and most of the world was playing the same game, sir.

I will say that one of the few parts of the game I liked was in the virtual reality land with your dog dad, but that got boring quickly too.

Then you obviously didn't play the mind games with everyone and causing chaos. C'mon, there was so many good Twilight Zone references in there!

In conclusion, I think you need to look at things in a different light about this game. It's a post-nuclear world, so take the time to get into the mindset of such a world. And don't take the land so seriously, it's SUPPOSED to be self-parody.

-LnP

 

[Jandau]

1. I am a massive Oblivion fan (insanely modded of course), but I still played vanilla oblivion and enjoyed it immensely. As such I was optimistic for fallout 3. In comparison to Oblivion, Fallout 3 has worse environments, less immersive scenery and what I call 'ridiculous' wildlife. I mean, somehow I expected it to be more realistic. Super mutants look absurd and speak ridiculously. There are crab things and giants. I thought hundreds of years of radiation would have made things look, well, more deadspacey. Not make them stronger.

Oblivion has bland and boring environments that look like the same meadow over and over again. As for "wildlife", I found the mutants far more convincing than Giant Crocodile Men and Spider Women that so often roam the countryside of Oblivion.

2. Retrofuturism: This is purely personal taste but the I can't stand the 1950s theme of the game. I mean, I understood it, I figured the bombs fell in the 1950s. But when I was informed the bombs sometime in our future in made no sense whatsoever. I just don't get the 1950's theme when culture developed way more past the 50s.

Generic High Fantasy. Oblivion isn't even high fantasy with a twist. It's almost as unimaginative as an Orcs&Elves setting can get. At least Morrowind mixed it up a bit with an exotic setting, but no, Oblivion is as generic as it gets. Heck, Forgotten Realms have more flavor. And if you can't relate to the 1950s theme or understand it, I'm not about to write an essay explaining it and instead will say only "WHOOOOOSH!".

3. The voice acting is worse than oblivions, and that's saying something.

No, just no. Fallout 3 voice actors did a far better job than Oblivion's. Yes, better than both voice actors in Oblivion...

4. I CANT JOIN THE BAD GUYS!!!! I completely agreed with what the enclave was doing, screw the irradiated and save what's left of the world. But you can't join them, what's up with that?!?!
Oblivion had so many factions to join, you could really play how you wanted to. That brings me to 5.

Now you're just making things up. Slavers, blowing up a city, raiders, etc. There's so many opportunities to be evil. And as for the Enclave, I don't remember Oblivion letting you join the Deadra...

5. Ok, seriously, who thinks that the 'Brotherhood of Steel' is a cool name? It sucks. Its an awful name for the people you have to join. It reminds me of the homosexual steel mill workers from 'The Simpsons'.

Your gay fantasies aside, at least it beats "X Guild"...

6. This is a pet hate but; in any game with guns: THERE SHOULD BE IRONSIGHTS!!!!! I get so annoyed when I right click to raise the gun to my eye level and it doesn't happen. That is such a big immersion killer for me. I know its not an FPS..... but still, it drives me insane. Any good game with guns has sights of some kind. And snipers don't count, I need that ability for all weapons except the obvious ones (big ones). EH!

Well, you can't really get an ironsight on a Minigun, but sure, I'll give you this one. Ironsights would have been a nice touch.

7. I couldn't get immersed in the story because I had discovered within 2 hours of the game that its setting was so ridiculous that I just didn't care. Sure I was mildly impressed with the tutorial and saw some realism ( I think) in the poorly named RAD ROACHES but when you get outside...the guns have no sights and the environment is insanely dull.
Yes I blew up megaton, and thought it was boring. Then I killed everyone in that tower because I didn't care. The story just didn't pull me in, it may have worked wonders for you, but for me it was all too far fetched.

I couldn't get into Oblivion because it didn't really have a story, just a bunch of overdone cliches thrown together. Also, the setting was so uninteresting that I could barely sit through an hour without falling asleep. And seriously, CRABS that level up with you?

I will say that one of the few parts of the game I liked was in the virtual reality land with your dog dad, but that got boring quickly too.

If that 20 minute section managed to get boring, you have a very short attention span...

In conclusion, I don't like Fallout 3, I really, really don't. I'm sure people will flame me or whatever but remember this is purely personal opinion.

In conclusion, I think Oblivion is a terrible game filled with broken mechanics and set in one of the most bland game worlds ever concieved. Both Morrowind and Fallout 3 are vastly superior to it.

But in the end, opinions are like arseholes: Everyone has one and they all stink.

Have fun!

 

[JimmieDean]

I don't get the comment that you hate the retro feel... anyone that said that, well, you're an idiot for buying a Fallout game then. Seriously have you never seen a Fallout game before?

And the Retro feel adds so much.. listening to "Its a wonderful world" while watching people be decimated by nuclear war is part of the hilarity that is the Fallout series. Its black humor, its supposed to be appreciated for that.