Why I think eating Meat is A-ok

[Vault101]

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I'd just want to say thank you Vault101 for bringing an interesting subject to my attention.

uhh you welcome

 

[qeinar]

Eat some bacon, then say you'll go vegan.

Also if we just freed the farm animals, atleast here in norway i think a lot of them would be fucked. not manny people would have cows on their property, atleast not farmers since they would have to make other types of food, so cows would for instance have a hard time finding grass, and all of them would probably die in the winter.

Also cows wandering around would be anoying as shit, we would have to put up fences around all the places you make food, and around your house and such.

 

[Vault101]

lol You got any idea how not vaguely even pretending to be logical the whole "It's nature" arguement is? Have you seen how wild hominids behave? Do you behave the same? If we have the ability to choose not to go with our "Nature", and natural animals are dicks, then maybe the hole in your non arguement is that, unlike animals, you get a choice and still act like a dick?

BTW this is all from an omnivore, I'm just okay with knowing I lack the ability at present to alter my diet. I know what I'm doing isn't optimal and I cope. The urge to prove your actoins right and good has outstripped your ability to reason methinks...

well I have also hated the "its nature" argument in raltion to alot of other unlrelated stuff (gayness for one)

all Im saying is if we are humane as possible about it, I see no reason why its wrong to eat animals bred for the purpose of being eaten

If your arguement comes down to that last paragraph, then why all the other illogical stuff? Also, I'm wondering just how much of a troll you are, what with casualy dropping a nice little statement alluding to possible disapproval towards gayness in general. Still, hats off for managing to cram so many grammatical, spelling and quite frankly basic reasoning mistakes into your reply, it lets me know this conversation should have been over before it began...

I will say 100% honestly Im not a troll, and the spelling, yes thats...somthing of an oversight on my part

what I ment was I was admiting that I hated it when people used "its not natural" as an argument against somthing (which is what some people say about gayness, gayness isnt any less natural than anything else..obviously thats all coming from a religious veiwpoint) and recognise I am kind of using it here

and yeah Im not the best at arguing my views, but I try

Im not saying animals deserve to be eaten because they are dicks, but I hate it when groups protray humans as the big evil (and only) force that hurts poor old mother nature, when it isnt true as I said nature is brutal

I mean sure for reasons we could choose to go vegan or vegetarin, but I think there is no moral reason why we shouldnt eat animals, now farming practices and such is a seperate issue that I think needs work

 

[CardinalPiggles]

I think the point is, do we still consider ourselves animals? If so then it's perfectly normal to eat meat, if not then we have a choice to either eat meat or not, as the top of the food chain. Personally I think we are still animals at the end of the day.

While I'm not vegetarian, a friend of mine does not eat meat for two reasons:
-Farming techniques are cruel
-Involves killing another living thing
Honestly, I agree with him, but I am more concerned with eating healthy and tasty food.

Animals like dogs and cats DO show emotion. Why not cows and chickens?

Also, I'm not certain what your point- any cause has extremists and people should be allowed to do as they wish as long as it does not impinge on others.

1. Have you ever seen a sad chicken?
2. I totally agree with the freedom thing you speak of.

 

[Vault101]

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But i think vegetarianism has plenty of benefits for humans, regardless of what anyone thinks of the animals at all.

Efficiency, for one. It takes a large amount of grain to produce a relatively small amount amount of meat. If we ate less meat, we could feed A LOT more people. It'd be much better for the environment too.

and youre probably right, which is fair enough, anyway thats not what Im arguing

I feel groups like PETA turn it into a black and white issue (ohhh look! you want to eat the little chickes? you monster!) when nature really is anything but black and white

 

[mikey7339]

Why I think eating Meat is A-ok:

It's fucking delicious

Eloquently and succinctly put!

 

[artanis_neravar]

Here's why I think eating meat is A-ok: it's their destiny.


Think about it. Cows, chickens, pigs. They don't exist in the wild. Never have. Farmyard animals have been kept and bred by humans for thousands of years specifically to make them tastier to eat. They might have started out like their wild cousins but guided by human hands, they have evolved into something new. Conclusion? Humans are their gods, and their purpose in life is to be eaten.

And if we stop eating them we are contributing to the extinction of several different species.

 

[Jegsimmons]

i eat meat cause it's fucking delicious and I AM A MAN!!!! *PUNCH!!*

and as a man I have domain over ALL animals on this planet and the only time i feel bad is when i run out of steak sauce.

thats all the reason I need.

 

[harvz]

why it is ok can be summed up to 3 words: we are omnivores.

 

[thylasos]

@OP:

Nature red in tooth and claw, yes.

That's not relevant to my argument for vegetarianism.

On a more general point, "it's our nature" is a piss-poor argument for anything.

We've overcome our natural instincts through education, altruism, ethics, politics, organisation for the mutual good. And so on.

 

[chrono16]

Quoting Ron White" I didn't clime to the top of the food chain to eat fing carrots".

 

[PatrickXD]

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Fish are composed of meat. Yes, it's meat. You're killing fish so you can eat meat.

/sigh. I know it is meat, it's just I don't put fish on the same level as mammals or birds. I understand that they have the same spectrum of emotions and feel pain etcetera, but I just don't see the killing of them as bad on a moral level. I understand that it was phrased badly and could be misinterpreted as literaly I do not think that it is meat.

 

[Gralian]

I'll never really understand the vegitarian point of view, and that's simply because i find it impossible to respect animals. They have no society, they can barely communicate beyond a few basic grunts and various other noises, and they seem to have little sense of self-preservation. (I'm referring to farm animals here).

I watched a show a long time ago called "Kill it, Cook it, Eat it" which had a glass abattoir and you saw the whole process of the animal on the farm, then it being led into the abattoir, then it being slaughtered, gutted cooked and then served. (it was a controversial show with an audience to see who would walk out and who would still be able to eat it when it was cooked, very fascinating)

Anyway, one of the cows was led up the ramp to the guy with the knife, was slaughtered, and another cow that was just behind it observed the whole thing and just waddled up to the guy after the other cow to be slaughtered as well! When it's just observed the death of one of its own, and doesn't think any better than to just waddle up the ramp to follow suit, how can you possibly respect such an idiotic creature and consider it to be nothing more than a hunk of walking meat for consumption?

I know that comes off as incredibly cruel, but that's just the way it is. Until animals can walk and talk like a human, or at least show SOME signs of self-preservation and social unity, i will have no compunction about the slaughter and consumption of meat. That's just the way it is.

Incidentally, i would actually like to try human meat. That isn't meant to be ironic, i really would. Not saying i'd be okay with humans being 'farmed' the way animals are, i'm just saying. I'd like to give it a go. For curiosity's sake. That's how 'unbothered' i am about the whole eating meat thing. In regards to farming conditions for animals, yes i do agree battery farming and the like is pretty terrible and i think there is a difference between campaigning for more humane farming conditions for animals and campaigning about not eating meat altogether. I can be anti-battery farming but still be a meat eater.

Oh, and for all you vegetarians out there, did you know plants are living things as well? Sometimes they can live for days after being plucked out of the ground, so chances are you might be eating those things alive. Think about that the next time you have a plateful of salad. I'm sorry, but it's nature. You have to kill to survive. Even fish that eat nothing but plankton still kill the plankton when they eat it.

 

[Macrobstar]

Yeah, its a part of nature. We are carnivores, we are top of the food chain, it is to be expected we eat meat.

This is simply not true - in the best case we are omnivores, like rats and pigs. Ever had a look at a cat's od dog's teeth - they are carnivores. Those teeth are sharp as hell! The human body is not able to work uncooked meat, because of several biological reasons I'm not very into (something with our innards). I at least never saw a lioness cooking. So the "Dude - It's nature"-argument is 100% invalid.

Beside all the shiny biological stuff - here's some shiny philosophical stuff:

Is the only way to exalt over animals eating them? Would it not be of more value (morally and deontological) to refuse this behaviour and use our ratio do the job?

Besides: I'm vegetarian. I am not vegetarian, because I love animals.
I HATE PLANTS!!!

Yeh but if you look at a herbivores teeth, like a sheep, they're more squarish shape for grinding and chewing plant matter. Then if you look at human teeth its clear that we've evolved to eat both and anyone who wants a balanced diet should

 

[jpoon]

Agreed with OP, meat is a necessary food for me.

 

[jprf]

The 'nature' argument is a tad stupid. Why in that specific instance do we follow nature, but every other aspect of our lives is dominated by decidedly unnatural technology? Humanity has proved time and again that our animal instincts do not have to determine how we live our lives.
I'm a vegetarian because I know a little about the meat industry- the way they keep the animals is unbelievably cruel, not to mention extremely environmentally unfriendly. I'm also a little uncomfortable with the assumption that our higher intelligence somehow gives us the right to do whatever we want to the rest of the animal kingdom. There is significant evidence that other mammals and birds do have emotions, and they certainly feel pain.

Ok, preach over. To be honest I don't really care if anyone else eats meat, but I won't do it.

 

[Macrobstar]

The logic is quite simple.

Killing is inherently horrible, unless it's something essential. Carnivores need to kill, otherwise they die.

We humans are omnivores, and our bodies have adapted (as have our societies) to be able to absorb protein from many different sources, many of them not from animals.

Thus, our killing of animals is not because of necessity, but because of pleasure (taste), since we can get protein from other sources.

Remember, we can choose to eat meat and choose not to. The poor can't afford to, the wealthy have alternatives. We as a society can survive without the killing of animals. I personally don't care about animals too much, and just see them as chattel.

Except that not eating meat comes with health issues mainly a lack of iron

 

[GraveeKing]

Can hardly blame the other animals for not evolving morals like us, and a lot of animals can only Digest meat. So we can hardly blame them.
HECK we created nukes, and nature made us. So I guess that makes us 'killing for fun too'.
Fact is they kill for the simple reason of it being part of food-chains and ecosystems. If Lion A didn't eat innocent Zebra B then Zebras would breed to such an extent they'd eat all their available food then starve to death. It's natures way of making sure everyone gets their food and nobody starves.

That said, I agree with eating meat too, but I can understand why some don't - simply because we don't NEED to whereas some animals do. Oh and I hate dolphins >.>

 

[Snowy Rainbow]

Humans are animals. No need to make distinctions such as "you cant apply the same rules we use for humans to animals" -- in fact, doing so is incorrect.