silentsentinel said:
rattling_bean said:
Don't kid yourselves. Britain had to fight off Nazi Germany in the Battle of Britain on our damn own. (A little help from a few foreign pilots). America was happy to see us under a Swastika. It was only after Pearl Harbour that they felt it necessary to take the war to Europe, when they could gain influence over the severely weakened countries there. So NO, America has not lovingly leapt into the fray whenever there is trouble and don't even try to suggest that they have.
*Edit, sorry this was a reply to ZorroFonzarelli's "America is the World's Guardian Angel and would take a bullet for any of her beloved fellow countries" rant.
Well, what about all the shit we sent you? The military equipment? The destroyers? (Sure, we got island bases, but we gave you 50 freaking destroyers!)Furthermore, the British and French did much more to further the cause of Germany's expansionism than the U.S. did (good old Mr. Appeasement Chamberlain) and the U.S. certainly did not want to see the rise of Nazism (or can you provide me proof?)
And to "take advantage of weakened countries." How so? Our war foundries gave equipment to everyone, we banded with the British and helped get back France, we helped beat back the Nazis, then waited and let Russia have the honor of taking Berlin. Europe belongs to you guys, we didn't take any colonies from it (well, we got parts of Berlin, but it was given back) and we helped rebuild everything. How did we take advantage of you guys?
However, we did go drunk with power after WW2 and started attacking everything that moved. I'll give you that.
First off, Appeasement was not intended to start World War II, in fact completely the opposite - to avoid conflict. It was a mistake, sure, infact, kind of like the US's isolationism!
Secondly, the Battle of Britain was an aerial conflict and I don't see many flying destroyers, so the destyroyers that your country oh so generously "donated" (or TRADED) did squat to help against the Nazi's.
And military equiptment? The spitfire's and hurricanes we used are ALL Britain, baby.
And yes you did take advantage of Europe! Hence why you still have military bases in many of our countries (fair enough we are allies) and ended up at loggerheads with Russia (who won the race to Berlin fair and square - you didn't "wait for them" - you didn't want to get in their way and were worried after Market Garden)
Oh and remember the Falkland's war? We received no help from you then either. So, no you don't jump into world conflicts and rescue everyone and I just wanted to make that point clear.