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Evilbunny

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NDBurke said:
Moon landing: The Russians were in space long before you.
landing on the moon is way harder than just breaking the earth's gravitational pull. Come on, you gotta give us something for that.

Fighter Jet: The rest of the world has them too.
Yeah, but ours are better, faster, and a couple of them can't be seen by radar. Also, most of them come from America.

Tiger Woods: Who the shit cares about golf.
As a business man I take exception to this. Golf is how I get clients to close deals. Golf is how I get shit done.

Bell: originally a Canadian company
Yeah, and Michael Jackson was originally black. That doesn't mean shit now.

Landing at Normandy: You weren't the only country, nor was that the only battle. The USSR was the one who REALLY won the war.
True. America did have a part in it but you're right our part in it tends to be exaggerated.

Coca Cola: Why are you proud of such a shitty drink? You now that stuff will eat through something if you leave it there too long, right?
Hey, I love coke. Besides, they invented Santa Claus. How can you not love them for at least that?

Google: is fucking awesome, I'll give you kudos there.
Agreed
Hollywood: Produces a lot of shit movies these days.
I don't see any other countries making anything better.

I know I left out some parts of your post, but these are the parts I had an opinion on.
 

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Evilbunny said:
NDBurke said:
Moon landing: The Russians were in space long before you.
landing on the moon is way harder than just breaking the earth's gravitational pull. Come on, you gotta give us something for that.

Fighter Jet: The rest of the world has them too.
Yeah, but ours are better, faster, and a couple of them can't be seen by radar. Also, most of them come from America.

Tiger Woods: Who the shit cares about golf.
As a business man I take exception to this. Golf is how I get clients to close deals. Golf is how I get shit done.

Bell: originally a Canadian company
Yeah, and Michael Jackson was originally black. That doesn't mean shit now.

Landing at Normandy: You weren't the only country, nor was that the only battle. The USSR was the one who REALLY won the war.
True. America did have a part in it but you're right our part in it tends to be exaggerated.

Coca Cola: Why are you proud of such a shitty drink? You now that stuff will eat through something if you leave it there too long, right?
Hey, I love coke. Besides, they invented Santa Claus. How can you not love them for at least that?

Google: is fucking awesome, I'll give you kudos there.
Agreed
Hollywood: Produces a lot of shit movies these days.
I don't see any other countries making anything better.

I know I left out some parts of your post, but these are the parts I had an opinion on.
Coca Coala didnt strictly invent Santa Claus, the image of St. Nicholas was around before then. They did, however, get him to wear red for the first time (that's right - santa used to be in green) and popularised him to the level he is at today, so I'll let you have that one.

And bah, I lost faith in 21st century cinema a bloody long time ago - the crap that's churned out these days is pathetic, all following the same formula involving a love interest and a happy ending.

And as for why the rest of the world hates you, I'm not quite sure, it's a lot of reasons.

I don't think that the rest of the world think you deserve your riches and prosperity due to your seeming cumbersome ignorance, or at least how you are portrayed to be so. What's that percentage of Americans who don't own a passport? Also, a friend of mine went to America on holiday and apparently when he watched the news, he was waiting for the international section. "Oh, must be on after sports. After weather. After the local news." Nope, no international news came. None at all! Now to me, that sounds more than a little ridiculous.
 

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Well I'm not reading all 13 pages so I'm expecting most of this to have already been said.

I haven't been to the US myself but I'd like to think I can piece together a pretty accurate opinion of what it's like there from the media and the occasional tourists I bump into.

Yes you have accomplished some great things that few other nations could have. Landing on the moon (supposedly), the invention on thrash metal and contribution to rock in general and that helping hand in WW2 that is being raged about above.

But as a nation you are also responsible for some howlers as well though. Electing George Bush (not once but TWICE!), your ridiculous healthcare system (the one in England isn't brilliant but at least you can get access to it) and the weight problem you are collectively facing.

But the main thing I would say stops America from being awesome is the attitude that a lot of Americans adopt. The ferocious zealotry, of which I have first hand personal experience, that some of your countrymen have, readily bragging about having free speech and America being the land of the free where you can accomplish anything, seems incredibly ignorant. Yes because in all of Europe we reside in oppressive dictatorships with non existent economies. I detest undeserved superiority complexes.
 

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Himo said:
And bah, I lost faith in 21st century cinema a bloody long time ago - the crap that's churned out these days is pathetic, all following the same formula involving a love interest and a happy ending.

I disagree.

And as for why the rest of the world hates you, I'm not quite sure, it's a lot of reasons.

I don't think that the rest of the world think you deserve your riches and prosperity due to your seeming cumbersome ignorance, or at least how you are portrayed to be so. What's that percentage of Americans who don't own a passport? Also, a friend of mine went to America on holiday and apparently when he watched the news, he was waiting for the international section. "Oh, must be on after sports. After weather. After the local news." Nope, no international news came. None at all! Now to me, that sounds more than a little ridiculous.
Oh, totally. Our media focuses so much on the United States and only the United States it's sickening. I get most of my news from the internet.
 

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Evilbunny said:
America is awesome. I absolutely love my country. Look at all we've accomplished. Sure, we have problems but so does everybody else.


Yep. You're doing absolutely great.

By the way, I could of used some of the more famous pictures, but they probably wouldn't go down too well on this site. Oh yes, and the UK and Canada were at D-Day too.

America: Ripping up developing nations since 1945!
 

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We are not awesome for these reasons:

1. Anyone who gloats about their patriotism isn't a patriot. You don't earn patriotism by yelling about it. You do something with it.
2. Anyone who says we're a Christian nation (a lot of them) needs to get their mouth checked because they're confusing it with their asshole.
3. Our mainstream music is shit.
4. Our government is corrupt. Now, while all governments are, ours is simply ridiculous.
5. We don't honor our own constitution. And by that I mean separation of church and state. Look at Prop 8 and who backs it for evidence.
6. We are so fucking fat.
7. We have a abhorrent health care system.
8. The economy.

I believe that's a good start.
/thread. also best avtar EVR
/thread indeed. Worst part of USA is how connected the church is to state. You were founded secular, what the flying fuck happened? Worse yet, USA still seems to think socialism is bad. Newsflash, lots of other countries are and they aren't screwed up in teh brain.
 

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Geo Da Sponge said:
America: Ripping up developing nations since 1945!
Pfft. We've done nothing compared to Britain and France and most other European powers when it comes to ripping up developing nations. Look at what they did to India, and all of Africa for that matter.
 

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Evilbunny said:
Geo Da Sponge said:
America: Ripping up developing nations since 1945!
Pfft. We've done nothing compared to Britain and France and most other European powers when it comes to ripping up developing nations. Look at what they did to India, and all of Africa for that matter.
But that's why we are awesome. People can forget about what Maggie did or what opression the UK, France, and others have had as traditions for hundreds of years because we do it now. They can Blame us for screwing things up when we get involved OR when we refuse to get involved. The people of various nations can watch our media and get a false impression of us that they carry as fact and then perpetuate it guilt free because part of that opinion is that we all hate them and look down on them. We are the worlds scapegoat. We can be blamed when things go wrong and things can be placed on our sholders so that no matter what, good or bad leader, its our fault for things going wrong. We can't be isolationist because if we are that will simply tell the world we are selfish. We can't go out and do things because when it does not work, even if it was the right thing, the media will say we are in the wrong.

I'm not saying the bush administration did not have their heads up their rear ends. I won't defend this nation past the point of recognizing our problems. However the reason we are awesome is that even though most of us don't meet the image of the 'typical American' the rest of the world can keep holding this massive ill-informed stereotype and unlike them we don't hold a grudge about it.
 

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Evilbunny said:
Geo Da Sponge said:
America: Ripping up developing nations since 1945!
Pfft. We've done nothing compared to Britain and France and most other European powers when it comes to ripping up developing nations. Look at what they did to India, and all of Africa for that matter.
But when we took over country's we were honest about it, we didn't claim we were "liberating them" or "giving them freedom" like America does, we just marched in and said were now occupying you because were stronger, also in the case of India British occupation helped it develop in the long run, though Africa did get a bit screwed over
 

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george144 said:
Evilbunny said:
Geo Da Sponge said:
America: Ripping up developing nations since 1945!
Pfft. We've done nothing compared to Britain and France and most other European powers when it comes to ripping up developing nations. Look at what they did to India, and all of Africa for that matter.
But when we took over country's we were honest about it, we didn't claim we were "liberating them" or "giving them freedom" like America does, we just marched in and said were now occupying you because were stronger, also in the case of India British occupation helped it develop in the long run, though Africa did get a bit screwed over
No, you simply claimed you were doing 'what was best for the savages' and asserting your right as white people who were obviously superior. Britan did the same equivalent thing, it was just ok to be eleitest bigots back then because that was the norm. Even now your talking about helping what may be the oldest true civilization on earth 'develop'. The people from whom the most advanced metallurgical techniques and many of the foundations of religion we still hold today among many other things.

Do you kind of see where this is going? As for Africa instead of thrwoing money at it to feel less guilty you guys could always go fight the despotic leaders that have taken over so that the donation money you throw at it (and we do too though for some reason we still get yelled at by everyone else) would help more people.
 

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TerraMGP said:
george144 said:
Evilbunny said:
Geo Da Sponge said:
America: Ripping up developing nations since 1945!
Pfft. We've done nothing compared to Britain and France and most other European powers when it comes to ripping up developing nations. Look at what they did to India, and all of Africa for that matter.
But when we took over country's we were honest about it, we didn't claim we were "liberating them" or "giving them freedom" like America does, we just marched in and said were now occupying you because were stronger, also in the case of India British occupation helped it develop in the long run, though Africa did get a bit screwed over
No, you simply claimed you were doing 'what was best for the savages' and asserting your right as white people who were obviously superior. Britan did the same equivalent thing, it was just ok to be eleitest bigots back then because that was the norm. Even now your talking about helping what may be the oldest true civilization on earth 'develop'. The people from whom the most advanced metallurgical techniques and many of the foundations of religion we still hold today among many other things.

Do you kind of see where this is going? As for Africa instead of thrwoing money at it to feel less guilty you guys could always go fight the despotic leaders that have taken over so that the donation money you throw at it (and we do too though for some reason we still get yelled at by everyone else) would help more people.
The fact is we did say we were better and at that moment in time we were better because we had more power, we never lied outright to the people that we had basically invaded, we didn't try to justify our actions. Also as for going into Africa and attacking that's a very American style of thinking that we should charge in guns blazing and shoot the evil men it's not as simple as that, the whole country's extremely fragile, with all the warlord running rampant, if we tried to "liberate" them then it would be a bigger mess then Iraq, you can't just say here are some bad men, we shoot them and suddenly everything is aright, throwing money at the country as you put it does help, people get food and medicines which they need
going and attacking the leaders would just lead to even more violence and deaths
 

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george144 said:
The fact is we did say we were better and at that moment in time we were better because we had more power, we never lied outright to the people that we had basically invaded, we didn't try to justify our actions. Also as for going into Africa and attacking that's a very American style of thinking that we should charge in guns blazing and shoot the evil men it's not as simple as that, the whole country's extremely fragile, with all the warlord running rampant, if we tried to "liberate" them then it would be a bigger mess then Iraq, you can't just say here are some bad men, we shoot them and suddenly everything is aright, throwing money at the country as you put it does help, people get food and medicines which they need
going and attacking the leaders would just lead to even more violence and deaths[/quote]

And again you miss the point. Your still justifying the actions even now, your simply saying 'we were honest with them' because at the time it was ok and you still say that you were helping them. Thanks to America you can sit with those rose tinted goggles and just enjoy your look at the past because you were 'at least honest when you were throwing your weight around'. I admit my nation has flaws, but sitting around ignoring the flaws of your own past and judging everything while waiting for us to 'screw up' so you can blame us does not work. It always ends up being on the Americans to go out and fight because other nations don't want to look bad. Granted some times we are wrong, but in the end it doesn't matter because we play the fall guy. If you want to be honest simply say "Yes America has problems but we do too and one of them is we blame them for all of the problems of the world because its easier to let them take action when it would not be popular regardless of if its right or wrong and then cast all the blame on them." Thats not very honest is it?

As for Africa, maybe your right that attacking various despots would be a bad idea (and again your prejudice at the 'American way of thinking' comment becomes clear) but lets face it, what else has worked? You can keep throwing money at the problem until doomsday and then blaming us for somehow not giving enough or not holding enough events about it and it may not fix the problem. Your right that we like every other major nation in the world are only out for ourselves in the end, but I find it Hypocritical that all of the other nations try to say they are not. The only difference is that we are the ones to do the unpopular military actions because nobody else wants to. I'm sure some diplomatic solution in Africa, but other nations are not even doing that. They simply try and offer aid and let the various factions in places like the Congo go at each other, cleaning up the mess of collateral damage afterwords.

What I'm saying is don't point out the flaws of others when your nation has its own.
 

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silentsentinel said:
And I know that Appeasement was intended to avert WW2. However, it was SO much stupider than isolationism (and you have to remember that most Americans had bad memories of WW1). And Hitler himself admitted in the middle of World War 2 that if the French or British had counterattacked when he was invading one of the first counties he invaded (forgot which one) he would "returned with our tails between our legs".
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Er....... he never said that appeasment was intended to start WW2, he said that it did. If Chamberlain and whatever Frenchman was the PM on that particular day (The french didnt even have a govt. the day that Hitler came into power) had had the balls to tell Hitler to back the fuck down, millions of lives could have been saved. And as far as the American aid is concerned, the British might have been able to hold out for a year or two, but after the fall of the Soviet Union (which would have happened without massive aid from lend lease) they would have been very fucked.

That having been said, I don't mean to come off as saying that Britain's wartime sacrifices were not as great as others, only that without the timely intervention of the US, Hitler would never have been stopped.
There's a distinct lack of research to this kind of stuff. The goal of appeasement wasn't just to try and get Germany to stop invading countries. A major reason that appeasement was such a desirable idea was that Britain was in no way prepared to go back into a full-scale war. We simply did not have the resources, or the manpower. Hell, we won the Battle of Britain by sending the majority of the RAF into battle, and hoping that it'd look like we had a bigger airforce than we actually did. In 1938, taking on Germany would've been extremely dangerous.

Secondly, hindsight is wonderful, but at the time, all we knew of Hitler was that Germany had gained a charismatic new leader. He was described as someone that could be "relied upon to keep his word". On top of the Munich Agreement, Germany had signed a non-aggression treaty with Poland in 1933; to break both of these would make Hitler's government, not to mention Germany itself, highly untrustworthy. Even then, granting Germany the Sudetenland was seen as somewhat reasonable; the restrictions and reparations inflicted on Germany post-WWI are infamously harsh. Returning land to Germany was a good idea.

Finally, it was 1938. Do you even know what that means? It had not even been ten years since the end of the First World War, which had brought unprecedented bloodshed to the world. Nobody wanted to just leap back into another war, even if we could, and you can't blame anyone for trying to take whatever steps necessary to ensure a peaceful and diplomatic solution. Yeah, it didn't work. A lot of people died. Maybe it would've turned out better, had they done things differently. But at the time? With the intelligence available? With the manpower available? It was the best decision they could've made.
 

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Break said:
silentsentinel said:
And I know that Appeasement was intended to avert WW2. However, it was SO much stupider than isolationism (and you have to remember that most Americans had bad memories of WW1). And Hitler himself admitted in the middle of World War 2 that if the French or British had counterattacked when he was invading one of the first counties he invaded (forgot which one) he would "returned with our tails between our legs".
Nevins said:
Er....... he never said that appeasment was intended to start WW2, he said that it did. If Chamberlain and whatever Frenchman was the PM on that particular day (The french didnt even have a govt. the day that Hitler came into power) had had the balls to tell Hitler to back the fuck down, millions of lives could have been saved. And as far as the American aid is concerned, the British might have been able to hold out for a year or two, but after the fall of the Soviet Union (which would have happened without massive aid from lend lease) they would have been very fucked.

That having been said, I don't mean to come off as saying that Britain's wartime sacrifices were not as great as others, only that without the timely intervention of the US, Hitler would never have been stopped.
There's a distinct lack of research to this kind of stuff. The goal of appeasement wasn't just to try and get Germany to stop invading countries. A major reason that appeasement was such a desirable idea was that Britain was in no way prepared to go back into a full-scale war. We simply did not have the resources, or the manpower. Hell, we won the Battle of Britain by sending the majority of the RAF into battle, and hoping that it'd look like we had a bigger airforce than we actually did. In 1938, taking on Germany would've been extremely dangerous.

Secondly, hindsight is wonderful, but at the time, all we knew of Hitler was that Germany had gained a charismatic new leader. He was described as someone that could be "relied upon to keep his word". On top of the Munich Agreement, Germany had signed a non-aggression treaty with Poland in 1933; to break both of these would make Hitler's government, not to mention Germany itself, highly untrustworthy. Even then, granting Germany the Sudetenland was seen as somewhat reasonable; the restrictions and reparations inflicted on Germany post-WWI are infamously harsh. Returning land to Germany was a good idea.

Finally, it was 1938. Do you even know what that means? It had not even been ten years since the end of the First World War, which had brought unprecedented bloodshed to the world. Nobody wanted to just leap back into another war, even if we could, and you can't blame anyone for trying to take whatever steps necessary to ensure a peaceful and diplomatic solution. Yeah, it didn't work. A lot of people died. Maybe it would've turned out better, had they done things differently. But at the time? With the intelligence available? With the manpower available? It was the best decision they could've made.
The problem with your argument is that the lack of men and material that you describe was in such a sorry shape BECAUSE of the Appeasers. Winston Churchill had been making speeches in the House of Commons for years before '38 and Chamberlain had stuck his head in the ground and refused to listen. Detailed reports were coming in in the late 30's about Hitlers violation of the Treaty of Versailles, and the other countries didn't lift a finger. The reason that they were so tragically unprepared was because of teh appeasers not trying to offend Hitler by stepping up arms production. Chamberlains blind faith in treaties nearly damned Europe to Nazi domination.

Also, how can you excuse the Phony War? While Germany and Russia ransacked Poland, the French advanced a few miles, then just stopped. There was not a single tank on the western front, and one of the German generals said after the war that if the French had invaded, they could have been across the Rhine in a manner of weeks.
 

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Why is this still going on? Has it not been established that folks just don't like america, including many that live here? These arguments have been so pointless, repeated over and over again, getting no where. I love how half of the pro america arguments get ignored, but mention anything about WW2, healthcare, or religion, and everyone here is a bona fida expert on why america sucks, but hey, guess what, america is defined by a whole hell of a lot more than any one of you have even touched on. Give it a rest already, there are plenty of people that love it here, and a whole lot of those who don't would come crawling back if given the chance to live elsewhere. You love your country? Good for you! You hate my country? Good for you! Explain to me again why I should give a flying fuck!
 

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How have I got pissy about you interfering? I think you need to actually read my comments instead of reading THROUGH them and seeing what you want to see.

A comment I actually said was (and I quote)

"Oh and remember the Falkland's war? We received no help from you then either. So, no you don't jump into world conflicts and rescue everyone and I just wanted to make that point clear."

Big emphasis on the "WE RECEIVED NO HELP NO HELP FROM YOU" and "YOU DON'T JUMP INTO WORLD CONFLICTS". (i.e You don't interfere with world problems!) Please don't try and come back at me with a completely invalid message... The opposite of what I was trying to say.

Oh and you also say about "American protection" in Germany. Erm, I think Germany (as well as many other countries) have a very competent army, easily good enough to protect ourselves. Especially because of the EU - we look out for each other. I am not saying we don't appreciate the help (but seriously, do you think we are armed with sticks and rocks or something? The eurofighter typhoon is probably the most advanced fighter jet in the wordl at the moment!) - but it is not "you helping us", rather you getting your influence spread as far as you can.
You should head your own advice. My comment insinuated nothing on the competence of the EU and their ability to defend themselves. I just pointed out that because of the USA-EUR, more resources can go towards other things that may be of more importance. By the way, most USA-EUR commands are withdrawing from Europe. I did several decommissioning ceremonies while stationed there.
 

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Hahaha! I bet the majority of the non-Americans here haven't even met an American and are going off of stereotypes used in the media.

Well, if all stereotypes are true, then the French are beret wearing, baguette eating pansies! The English MUST be tea drinking, fish and chips eating, cranky, old glooms. The Germans are OBVIOUSLY mayonnaise encrusted, pretzel eating, beer drinking Nazis! Australians are WITHOUT a doubt tanned oafs, with boomerangs, stupid hats and an unhealthy obsession with khaki!

See? You can't judge a whole country's inhabitants on a few misleading stereotypes. :)