The actions against Zoe Quinn, Liana K as well as a few others.smokratez said:I see someone neutral on the issue as sRoofstone said:It just struck me, I don't actually KNOW what gamergate is. As far as I could know people just really absolutely fucking loathe that collection of letters.
OT: When there are two sides of a issue, if you are on neither or either of said sides, you are not helping their cause, thereby hurting it. At least in their minds I imagine.grassgremlin said:While, my opinions recently changed and I'm no longer nuetral. I agree with looking between the lines.the silence said:As I like to call myself "neutral", just my two cents:
It's no good to shout your voice into a shitstorm (or something like it), if your plan is not to make it bigger. I will read stuff from both sides (I see both sides largely represented in a false light), but I will not post some half-assed conclusions. Right now it is time to gather information (if the issue interests you). There are a lot of unanswered questions. Right answers will take time.
Secondly, to jump to half-assed conclusions anyway, I think there are issues behind this which were talked about before, but are now swept into the storm without impact. For example: Review scores and objectivity. Or feminism, the role of the younger generation(s males) and the older generation (there is a MASSIVE difference).
There was one debate which really showed the philosophical differences: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_n2ctR-JN8
This is a well-spoken debate from both sides (Apart from the chat, which was literally shit). We should have more such debates.
I have a lot of passion for the industry, whether I was for or against, I'd have a opinion.
I have come to one conclusion and that's that both sides seem to want the exact same things.
I'll say I'm anti-gamer gate, but I'm not FOR game journalists. I just don't like Gamer Gate's actions or opinions. That's all.
So yeah, opinions change, but I agree that nuetrality helps.
I don't mind someone choosing to be neutral at all. At least they aren't the people who have been accusing of us terrible things.
What gamer gate actions do you disapprove of?
No, I don't agree with her, but people for gamer gate don't know how to talk.
I think it comes to something I disapprove of the internet. Harassment and hate campaigns against individuals who have likely done something minor and their actions are often taken out of context.
I've seen people get devoured for one sentence they said that people took completely out of context.
When I say hate campaigns, I also include individuals such as Chris-Chan, though now I think it capitalizes on his own hate fame now.
I'll try to explain myself. I agree in diversity and I honestly realized there's nothing wrong with inclusiveness. I don't completely agree with Anita, but she has a right to make the videos she makes regardless.
Gamer Gate has good intentions, but they squander it with not only being incredibly obnoxious, but also very entitled. I also think "Gamers" take video games waaaaaaaay to seriously. I went and deconstructed the term gamer and honestly, I realized I never once referred to it for myself other then viewing it as a harmless term.
I don't see a reason to fight for a word, because it makes no sense too. Yes, people making "gamers are dead" articles should be called out for it, but they should not be fired for it, because you don't know these people.
How can you call anyone "evil" when you do not know who they are or how there business works? Are the conspiracies painting these people as evil as they really are?
And yes, I read the mailing list. What I saw was people genuinely misinterpreting a cause. There was no secret evil organization plotting to end gaming. There was actual concerned bleeding hearts. Not a single word from even the "head honcho" Ben Kuchera states that he himself is some evil man. You can tell in Greg Tito's tone too, that he maybe saw his friend's opinion as an over reaction. Of course, people say Ben was controlling everyone. I saw no control sense Mr. Tito still has these forums and I doubt he's been kicked off the mailing list.
The problem with all this is that people are attacking actual human beings with no regard for the feelings of others. Only there own, which in the greater society would be laughed at.
If I told my father I was fighting for "gamers" he'd laugh so hard it be funny, stating their are waaaaay worst problems currently in the world right now. I guess I'm growing up, because isn't gaming just about . . . I dunno, playing a game. It's fanatical to defend a game, and I'm honestly done being a "fan."
I play some silly crap that should be criticized for being silly or ridiculous.
I guess I feel people for Gamergate feel the entire internet should be 4chan, where everyone is just saying offensive words and ragging on people for making mistakes and I don't want to be apart of it, sorry.
Back before the internet was huge, I don't think I ever seen people make blogs about a single minded hate for a person. Why so much time? Do yourself a favor and put yourself in Zoe Quinn's shoes.
When a child steals a cookie, he's punished by being put in a corner, not locked in a cage while people throw tomatoes at him for several weeks until they force him to apologize. That emotional trauma is real and I dare not wish that on anyone.
It's crazy when I check out on the old Chris-Chan stuff waiting for the day they report the man killed himself. Sure, awful person and all, but wow, entire wikis based on this one person.
Funny cause it actually took "Chris-Chan" of all people to truly make me change my opinion. He's just an example of a person who lived his life through his gaming and anime and just went off on the deep end. Is he the only one? You have to ask. Don't be absorbed in your fandom of things that you lose reality. I get gaming pulled you through dark times, but also realize that when you put the controller down, there's the real world.
The real world doesn't give two shits about "gaming journalist integrity"
After all, he had the privilege of a monthly "tugboat"