Why is cheating bad?
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though, in that situation, he really WAS qualified, he was just philosophically opposed to the conductors of the test, which was designed to force them to handle a truth that wasn't necessarily true (i.e, you cant always win. sometimes, you just cant get everyone out, and trying will just get everyone killed, rather than saving the few you could)wombat_of_war said:
Because intellect and drive are innate advantages that help someone in being a lawyer. The ability to cheat isn't necessarily helpful in being a lawyer, it is for passing tests. But if the endgame is being a lawyer, intellect and drive will have helped, but cheating will not.
Fairness exists only in your brain. It's not natural it's it's probably different in your mind than it is in any others. Same goes for "bad" which makes your question difficult to answer...Champthrax said:
I think SAT tests are bad because they don't give an accurate evaluation of the test subject and they enable an optimal filtering of students. So If you cheat to be where you can be, that's fine, but if you cheat to steal a deserving person's place and waste it, then you're a douche !
It's very ambiguous when you steal a more deserving person's place to your advantage, an advantage your benefit from.... that shows the flaws in the system. It therefore raises the question of what to do when an unfair system doesn't allow you to be all you can be.
I think the degree of "bad" is measured by a selfless evaluation of how much good is done and how much is prevented, regardless of who gets it. The overall result determines what is "good" or "bad".
I have an amusing question for you. If you were to conclude that a specific cheating is bad, yet good for you, why do good ?
I think they meant a situation like cheating in a class where what you're learning won't apply to your future career. For example, I had to take a programming class for my future BS in Geology. Why? I have no idea. I most likely won't use any of it in any job I'll hold and even all the professors in our department agree that it's pointless. So the argument here would be why should I risk failing a class that has nothing to do with my future career and stop me from getting my degree? I'm not saying that I agree, but it holds more water than for those that actually apply to one's major/job/career, etc.randomsix said:
I don't think I'm clever at all. I was in set 2 for Maths in school which meant I would take my official exam in the 5th year, but in the 4th year I was bumped up to set 1, which meant that I took it a year early. So I missed quite a lot of teaching in the process, but still got a B, which was a good mark. At that level of testing a lot of Maths appeared to be fairly straightforward to me, I guess it's the way my mind works (if you have two intersecting lines, what is the angle on the other side?), and I didn't cheat. The few things I have cheated at (cards, whatever) feel like a hollow victory and years later I still have that feeling that I achieved something with that Maths exam.
Edit: I should point out that I'm useless at remembering facts so stuff like history and geography were things I dropped as soon as I could.
Edit: I should point out that I'm useless at remembering facts so stuff like history and geography were things I dropped as soon as I could.
Allow me to put this into some very angry terms.Champthrax said:
The first thing is, you don't get to decide what's fair and balanced in a world you don't understand. This world is one gigantic natural machine using that merry-go-round we call life as its processing power. To what end? I don't know, but it's carrying on and until God, Cthulhu, or Yoda tells me different, it has its own kind of balance by which everything is weighed against everything else. Since you are - barring some misfortune - at the top of the food chain, I deny the notion of unfairness against at least nature itself.
On the basis of human versus human, I'll start by saying that if I worked my butt off to get where I am and you cheated, I don't want you to succeed because effort is suppose to lead to payoff, and payoff without effort means that you are stealing, a dirty thief and nothing more. If your excuse is less brain-mass or less muscle, I think you'll find that they make allowances for disabled people because their lives AREN'T fair, but that's not achieved by cheating but by deserving a break, GIVEN by others. When you DO wrong, though, you are still WRONG.
Not earning your place is as to stealing as dirty business practices are to economics. How did anyone in today's business community ever graduate from college? By the nature of things, they obviously failed their courses, because they fail to understand that undermining economic futures for quick money still blows up in their faces. Short-sightedness is still that very thing no matter how much you got NOW.
OP said " because eventually you have to think for yourself", but i am not sure if the people who passed the exams can think for themselves.
In most cases, sure, they should be able to. But sometimes book smart people are just good at learning what is in the textbook, and are not creative.
So, I am not against cheating at all.
In most cases, sure, they should be able to. But sometimes book smart people are just good at learning what is in the textbook, and are not creative.
So, I am not against cheating at all.
Cheating a test isn't bad.
Tests that are cheatable are bad.
Creating a multi-choice nuisance that checks how good you are at memorizing pieces of data short-term is a pointless endeavour.
The idea of measuring competence in these limited ways has a bad effect on society. I know a lot of gifted people, who are just bad at test. For various reasons. And then there are people who are not as smart, not as creative, not as nice, not as competent - but they excel at memorizing boring shit.
Tests that are cheatable are bad.
Creating a multi-choice nuisance that checks how good you are at memorizing pieces of data short-term is a pointless endeavour.
The idea of measuring competence in these limited ways has a bad effect on society. I know a lot of gifted people, who are just bad at test. For various reasons. And then there are people who are not as smart, not as creative, not as nice, not as competent - but they excel at memorizing boring shit.
Let's face it, most doctors, lawyers, politicians have cheated to get where they are whether in an entry test or in some other way. As long as the system is arranged around competition it will always exist and there will always be nothing wrong with it.
Also, cheating requires a lot of intelligence to get away with so it's something that doctors, accountants and lawyers should be naturally good at.
Also, cheating requires a lot of intelligence to get away with so it's something that doctors, accountants and lawyers should be naturally good at.
I remember in middle school (man, that was a long time ago), there was this dude who'd always glance at a test (can't remember the subject, only that the questions were multiple choice). Being the competitive sort, I just hated the idea of someone doing as well as me without doing the work. So I marked the wrong answer for every question, then waited for him to turn in the test. Then I erased everything and marked the right choices.
No one ever tried to cheat off me again.
No one ever tried to cheat off me again.
I suppose to me it all depends on what exactly your cheating on. I see that some people are also saying that it's because people are unskilled enough to pass on their own, now don't get me wrong. I hate cheaters, but it takes a certain skill to succeed at cheating too.
Yes, it may not be fair that other people are born with a natural advantage to you, but that's not something we really have a great degree of control over, the important thing is that in situations where we do have control over the world we make sure that we make things as fair as possible, e.g. Making sure that we don't cheat. Using your "Cunning" has no place in a test that isn't meant to measure such a thing, you're just misleading and deceiving for your own ends.
As for the idea of flipping burgers vs. Going to law school, you're being reductionist and ignoring vital pieces here. Refraining from cheating doesn't mean that you can't get a good education and you're going to end up in a bad job, and the people who are able to get into prestigious educational establishments don't all do so on the gifts they're born with, there's also considerable focus on how much knowledge they've acquired and how determined they've been in their work, and a system that aims to reward those who work hard and learn more seems like a pretty good nod in the direction of building a fairer world.
As for the "Cheating is unfair, but life is unfair" argument, I just don't feel like that makes any sense. If I can show you one object coloured slightly orange and another object coloured a deeper orange, does that mean the first object isn't somewhat orange? Of course it doesn't. If something's unfair then it's unfair, no matter how fair or unfair the things surrounding it may be.
As for the idea of flipping burgers vs. Going to law school, you're being reductionist and ignoring vital pieces here. Refraining from cheating doesn't mean that you can't get a good education and you're going to end up in a bad job, and the people who are able to get into prestigious educational establishments don't all do so on the gifts they're born with, there's also considerable focus on how much knowledge they've acquired and how determined they've been in their work, and a system that aims to reward those who work hard and learn more seems like a pretty good nod in the direction of building a fairer world.
As for the "Cheating is unfair, but life is unfair" argument, I just don't feel like that makes any sense. If I can show you one object coloured slightly orange and another object coloured a deeper orange, does that mean the first object isn't somewhat orange? Of course it doesn't. If something's unfair then it's unfair, no matter how fair or unfair the things surrounding it may be.