Why is sex and gaming so far apart?

[nova18]

Why shouldnt sex and gaming be so far apart?

If I have sex in real life, I don't feel the need to do it again in a virtual world.
Hell, if we killed people on a regular basis in the real world, do you really think that we would be so enthusiastic about killing in games.

If you want realism, try reality.

EDIT: Semi-Ninja'd.

Um i think the word your looking for here is rape, plain and simple. And maybe just maybe its not in most games cause guess what! we have it in real life. Same reason why we don't have "doing the laundry" video games or "making lunch". No burger time does not count. And feeding the dog..well that may be a bad example but you know what im trying to say. Most games no matter how realsitic they may be are still fantasy to the majority of us. That's the point.

 

[matrix3509]

The reimagined Battlestar Galactica has a scenario similar to this. Do you really think humanity would really just revert to our primal urges overnite if our species get threatened. When we (as a species) started focusing on human/civil rights, simple survival became less important. Even in the face on annihilation, people will focus on their need for "rights" rather than the need for survival. I seriously doubt that if humanity were reduced to a mere fraction of its size, we would suddenly start worrying about survival again.

 

[Jumplion]

...okay, I can't shake this thing out of my head. So you're saying that, as an example, during combat in Fallout 3 you want to be able to...to fuck/rape your opponent, regardless of gender, just during combat?

For one, that's stupid, wanting to be able to rape someone in game. For two, Thompson would be all over it's ass and I'd back him for that. And for three, whhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaattttttt?

There are better ways to portray sex in games like, I dunno, showing that two characters are deeply in love with each other and want to express their love to the next level? Why would we want to spread the gap (hehe, spread) even further by alowing the player to rape an opponent? First let's get maturity with sex instead of using it as a selling point, then you can use rape as a plot device or a point of turmoil in something, never an active part in a game.

 

[squid5580]

Why hasn't Mass Effect been mentioned yet? There is nothing wrong with sex in a game as long as it fits the story. It can even be used to add a certain element to the experience. As long as it is tastefully done.

 

[SomeUnregPunk]

Spirultima if your asking why mainstream games do not have sex in a more active role that is found is say God of War, GTA, The Witcher, etc. the reason is because most game publishers want a profit and they know the sex addict gamers are not where the money is.

If you want games where you dominate women or men then I suggest you use google. There is plently of games where sex and gaming comes hand in hand. Like that that game that threw chess and sex together where game pieces are men and women.

You example doesn't work. If man were in a situation like Fallout 3. Then a man would probably not kill the woman. Rather dominate through pain, torture or other forms of power plays to effectively use them as um... breading and sex stations. I don't see them trying to kill them. But that would be the really nutjob men. It would be more efficient to work alongside them as an extra hand and only use sex when a child can be raised w/o worry it's going to drop dead before the child is old enough to lend a hand in surviving in that desolate wasteland.

 

[Da_Schwartz]

The reimagined Battlestar Galactica has a scenario similar to this. Do you really think humanity would really just revert to our primal urges overnite if our species get threatened. When we (as a species) started focusing on human/civil rights, simple survival became less important. Even in the face on annihilation, people will focus on their need for "rights" rather than the need for survival. I seriously doubt that if humanity were reduced to a mere fraction of its size, we would suddenly start worrying about survival again.

Yea... although the LT from BattleStar Pegasus did rape boomer while she was in the holding cell. I've only seen the first 2 seasons so no spoilers please >.<. Im watching them on dvd. But to answer your question. No we wouldn't not overnight, not most of this generation anyway. If we suffered nuclear holocaust and ended up in IE fallout 3 with laser rifles and mutants...once again..see my video games are fantasy post, *ahem. Then no we wouldn't go all ferral and carnal right away. WERE HUMAN BEINGS NOT MONKEYS. WOuld we adapt yes, would survival instincts kick in, yes. But that doesn't mean we turn into murderous fuckheads that run around raping things cause we need more open ended options in our new way thinking.

 

[Duke Nil]

I'm using Fallout 3 as a example here, your in a post-apocalyptic world, base human instincts come to force, you would shag a hell load, like shooting a female raider's gun and leg, killing her comrades, shagging her then kill her, it would be human to do such things.

Oh, yes. Completely human.


What?

I lol'ed at that. But I do see what he's saying, i guess if we can set off a nuclear bomb and kill everyone in one of the few prosperous settlements that contains people with some shreds of humanity left just because some old guy thought it was ugly on the horizon, it isn't unthinkable that we would commit a little rape along with our mass-murdering. I agree that it isn't at all human to do such things, but that's the point of games like fallout 3 - in such conditions, people tend to de-humanize, which is why they let you be "good" or "evil." Furthermore, fallout 3 did include a lot of sexual dialogue and characters (there are whores around in the bars, a couple chicks you could flirt with, and I remember a scavenger chick who talked at length about getting laid), that then went nowhere (you could pay the whore for a go, at which point she would lie down in the bed, and you would lie down in the bed, and...that was it).

So I guess what im saying is that even bethesda seemed to kind of agree with you, as they felt that lots of the characters would naturally want to vent their frustrated sexual desires, but then seemed to omit the option for you, which feels like they wanted to include it but were unable to/intentionally didn't allow it, which I don't think they should do. I agree that sex shouldn't be put in as a gimmick or for its own sake, but it also shouldn't be repressed because it's "touchy" (unlike cold-blooded murder)

 

[matrix3509]

Yea... although the LT from BattleStar Pegasus did rape boomer while she was in the holding cell. I've only seen the first 2 seasons so no spoilers please >.<. Im watching them on dvd.

The only reason that happened was because Admiral Cain had the philosophy of "obey me, then do whatever else you want." She also, constituted rape as a form of interrigation, which sort of just defies logic. Especially when you consider that:

Spoiler

she was a lesbian

Don't click that spoiler tag unless you have seen Battlestar Galactica: Razor.

 

[Da_Schwartz]

commit a little rape along with our mass-murdering.

I lol'd

 

[matrix3509]

I lol'ed at that. But I do see what he's saying, i guess if we can set off a nuclear bomb and kill everyone in one of the few prosperous settlements that contains people with some shreds of humanity left just because some old guy thought it was ugly on the horizon, it isn't unthinkable that we would commit a little rape along with our mass-murdering. I agree that it isn't at all human to do such things, but that's the point of games like fallout 3 - in such conditions, people tend to de-humanize, which is why they let you be "good" or "evil." Furthermore, fallout 3 did include a lot of sexual dialogue and characters (there are whores around in the bars, a couple chicks you could flirt with, and I remember a scavenger chick who talked at length about getting laid), that then went nowhere (you could pay the whore for a go, at which point she would lie down in the bed, and you would lie down in the bed, and...that was it).

So I guess what im saying is that even bethesda seemed to kind of agree with you, as they felt that lots of the characters would naturally want to vent their frustrated sexual desires, but then seemed to omit the option for you, which feels like they wanted to include it but were unable to/intentionally didn't allow it, which I don't think they should do. I agree that sex shouldn't be put in as a gimmick or for its own sake, but it also shouldn't be repressed because it's "touchy" (unlike cold-blooded murder)

If you are playing the PC version of Fallout 3, there will probably be a user-mod out soon that adds "custom" animations to the game (if you catch my meaning). I say probably because there was a user-mod out for Oblivion that did exactly that. I assume that if there was one for Obllivion, there will also be one for Fallout 3, since its the exact same game engine. So just leave it up to the mods to add that "extra bit of realism" you so desperately crave.

 

[antipunt]

Someone posted something on this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFywW99Uvwc&feature=channel_page on another thread, his comments on sex and video games have a lot of truth to them.

cool video

 

[Superballs]

Someone posted something on this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFywW99Uvwc&feature=channel_page on another thread, his comments on sex and video games have a lot of truth to them.

Thanks, I really enjoyed that cartoon.

He does make some really valid points.

Though I have a problem with games being labelled Mature when they are nothing but gratuitous.

I find games like Echo the Dolphin and Shenmue to be rather mature in nature even though they don't have a level of gratuity but rather have a serious storyline and an engaging design, there aren't too many children that would be anywhere near interested in either of those games.

Though, I think the Mature label is nothing more than a "hey kids!!! Look at me I have blood and boobs!!!!" tactic.

I liked at the end of the video when poised with the choice to learn from previous generations or just hop on the ban everything bandwagon. Hell yeah, let's ban everything just for the sake of making the next generation fight for it....i've never thought of it but it's almost like the concept of natual selection for ideas... if something is contreversial enough and generates the buzz, it will endure the criticism and either die off as a fad or live as part of society and be further built upon (ie Alice Cooper > Marilyn Manson). Of course....I'm going to have to gripe about whoever the next gen Marilyn Manson is out of my duty as a parent once my 3 year old is a teenager...but secretly i'll own all his/their albums.

 

[Crystalgate]

I do think more games could do with using sex as part of characterization and character development. This could be fulfilled with off-camera sex. There's no need to get graphic about it IMO.

However, there's no way I buy a game with a rape option. The rape option carters mainly to people with rape fetish, not to role-players that want to play evil characters. Under no circumstances do I want to support that kind of games.

 

[LordSnakeEyes]

ok... I was actually taken aback by this question.

I fully understand what you mean about the rape/sex being common in a world like the wastes (being that, honestly, if all of the fallout scenario happened, I'd probably end up a Talon Company merc, I have to admit the thought would cross my mind... and I'd probably do it. Although not nearly as disgustingly as you've said it... the leg thing was too much) But the thing is, save some people, in our present situation (aka a world where Anarchy sadly doesn't dominate the law) a majority see it as unnecessary to even think about sex through rape since women serve it up on a silver platter (by which I mean no offense, I just mean it's easier now as opposed to if the world were like that of Fallout and everybody would probably be carrying around some kind of disease).

Another part of this is that, honestly, it would require a voice actor to make the voices of the victims crying out something like "please no! I have children!" or something that'd make anyone but a demented freak (no offense again) very uncomfortable.

But I will say this: Save the Rape Part, sex can always be included in videogames, many games are made better by the sex (since it sometimes helps the storyline or just ties up a nice little ribbon on a love story throughout the game ala Jade Empire)

 

[Delicious]

Because having sex in a video game wouldn't be having sex, it would be watching other people have it. Ugly, pixelated people. Who wants that?

 

[Calax]

on one hand I agree that there is a lot of room for sexual themes and situations in the games that are produced (Honestly? Witcher probably is at the forefront of gaming in terms of adult situations), but the way the op wants to go about it is TOTALLY FUCKING WRONG! The only way I'd see something like his "situation" happening is after 3 or 4 generations post-apoc and only if the numbers of females in the world were dwindling, and even then people would have to know in general that the number of women are dwindling, and even then women would become more like prized treasures, that wouldn't be allowed out for fear of them becoming incapable or reproducing...

Anyway, Sex and videogames is an interesting topic because Games are generally an interactive media. But the problem is you can't give a person a sex game that's ... interactive enough to satisfy their desires, while still having a game that's available to anyone but pervs. Probably the only sort of sex we'll ever see in a game is the type Witcher and it's cohorts have given us with mildly risque shots, that quickly fade to black. To go further than that would cause an AO rating (meaning the game dies right then and there in america), and an uproar within the "enlightened" community.

Then there are hentai games... more often than not they work more like choose your own adventure games but all the outcomes lead to you boning somebody in a very descriptive series of dialogues and pictures. There are a few flirtations with the sim genre (rapelay, Singles european edition) but generally those don't make it out of japan.

I'll stop now.

 

[Spirultima]

we lived in a place were death could strike at any moment, you would want to get laid for various reasons.

I think you mean that you would want that. Some of us don't have those urges, or have mastered them. I'd be more concerned with fucking up anyone who threatened me and securing a place to sleep.

EDIT: Let me make something clear. I am all for a more immersive roleplay experience. I just don't agree with your idea that sex would be important in a massive, radiated wasteland. Besides, there's probably mods for that sort of thing.

Actually, no, i myself am asexual and a realist.

Also your not getting the point. I'm going to try and give an example, back in ancient times, there was hardly anything looked down upon morally, and ergo procreation was quite big, but then religion reared its ugly head and then every human desire was deems "evil" and thats the society we live in today with things looked down upon like: fighting, murder, rape, masturbation, gay, lesbian, black and white racist thoughts etc. (i do agree with most of them admitedly though).

Now with that cleared, set yourself back thousands of years, that was the norm, so why everything hated so?

(also it was about 4am when i was naming this thread, so the mistake is obvious to me now)