Why is sex and gaming so far apart?

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Spirultima said:
I was thinking while playing Fallout 3 the other day, in real human terms the urge to have sex is massively strong, but now or days its much more repressed, but imagine we took all the safety from our life's, we lived in a place were death could strike at any moment, you would want to get laid for various reasons.

I'm using Fallout 3 as a example here, your in a post-apocalyptic world, base human instincts come to force, you would shag a hell load, like shooting a female raider's gun and leg, killing her comrades, shagging her then kill her, it would be human to do such things.

So why is this bad? i would like to roleplay as a real human being that includes all forms of choice, whether or not to be evil or good, murder or not, sex or not, gay or straight or even to have a profession.

Its hard to describe without sounding like a pervert, but i think i got my point across.
Well isnt that what japanese games are for? Other than racism
 

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on one hand I agree that there is a lot of room for sexual themes and situations in the games that are produced (Honestly? Witcher probably is at the forefront of gaming in terms of adult situations), but the way the op wants to go about it is TOTALLY FUCKING WRONG! The only way I'd see something like his "situation" happening is after 3 or 4 generations post-apoc and only if the numbers of females in the world were dwindling, and even then people would have to know in general that the number of women are dwindling, and even then women would become more like prized treasures, that wouldn't be allowed out for fear of them becoming incapable or reproducing...

Anyway, Sex and videogames is an interesting topic because Games are generally an interactive media. But the problem is you can't give a person a sex game that's ... interactive enough to satisfy their desires, while still having a game that's available to anyone but pervs. Probably the only sort of sex we'll ever see in a game is the type Witcher and it's cohorts have given us with mildly risque shots, that quickly fade to black. To go further than that would cause an AO rating (meaning the game dies right then and there in america), and an uproar within the "enlightened" community.

Then there are hentai games... more often than not they work more like choose your own adventure games but all the outcomes lead to you boning somebody in a very descriptive series of dialogues and pictures. There are a few flirtations with the sim genre (rapelay, Singles european edition) but generally those don't make it out of japan.

I'll stop now.
I see your point of view, but obviously i worded what i was saying badly, and hentai games that i hear about is just sex, so it doesn't really class in the category I'm on about.

I don't mean large, indepth, graphic detailing (mini games either) on the sex scenes, im just on about the choice, like, say i went out tomorrow, went to a bar, and picked up a girl/guy who was asking for it(the story is so far from what would happen, its becoming a fairy tale) i would have the choice to, or not to (in reality i would just come home and play on Endwars or something) and games talk about being "free choice" so why not add such things?

And England are no better, i just want a game where you really can do something YOU want and such.
 

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Nostalgia said:
Spirultima said:
I'm using Fallout 3 as a example here, your in a post-apocalyptic world, base human instincts come to force, you would shag a hell load, like shooting a female raider's gun and leg, killing her comrades, shagging her then kill her, it would be human to do such things.
Oh, yes. Completely human.


What?
Well for starters, if her comrades were around, your dead, two, you don't what her to kill you first, three, killing her would be an insurance as it were to make sure she doesn't kill your first.

Plus I'm going on the idea that in the wasteland you've lost your mind and are completely insane, add a bit of characterising, because if a game allows this level of play and development would mean the other parts would be even more open, like maybe in Fallout 3 to tame one of the five Super Mutant Behemoth
 

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Sex in a game (beyond Mass Effects .5 seconds of bum) pushes a game up to an AO (Adults Only) rating. I'm going out on a limb and saying that a lot of game stores either

A) Will not stock an AO game.
B) Are restricted by rules (either their own, or state/province they're in) on how they may display said game. These rules are probably the same rules as selling porn, given than an AO game pretty much is porn.

Further, I'm not certain how the rules work on advertising an AO game. Could you put ads on the TV? Could you buy ad space on most sites (example, the Escapist?) for an AO game?

"If the question is 'why', the answer is 'money.'"
They would be a logistical nightmare to sell and would almost certainly tank. That's why you don't see games with outright sex/porn in them outside of Japan (I speculate the restrictions are looser there). Think about it: when did you last see a game with an Adults Only rating? I can't think of a single one.
 

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Spirultima said:
Nostalgia said:
Spirultima said:
I'm using Fallout 3 as a example here, your in a post-apocalyptic world, base human instincts come to force, you would shag a hell load, like shooting a female raider's gun and leg, killing her comrades, shagging her then kill her, it would be human to do such things.
Oh, yes. Completely human.


What?
Well for starters, if her comrades were around, your dead, two, you don't what her to kill you first, three, killing her would be an insurance as it were to make sure she doesn't kill your first.

Plus I'm going on the idea that in the wasteland you've lost your mind and are completely insane, add a bit of characterising, because if a game allows this level of play and development would mean the other parts would be even more open, like maybe in Fallout 3 to tame one of the five Super Mutant Behemoth
I'm not desperate enough that I feel like I'd need to get laid before I died. I could see me trying to defend myself, maybe, but I wouldn't see the need to have to rape someone before I kill them. Besides, is it even possible for women to rape men?
 

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Sex tends to be far apart from alot of things.

This is because a lot of people see it as taboo.
 

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The only game that has done it well was Mass Effect, a game where you had to put a lot of effort into building relationships with people, whereas with a game like fallout it wouldn't work because relationships consist of "go here kill that, or, kill me!"

Rape wouldn't work because who is sick enough to want to rape something? It's very very very wrong.
 

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Nostalgia said:
Spirultima said:
Nostalgia said:
Spirultima said:
I'm using Fallout 3 as a example here, your in a post-apocalyptic world, base human instincts come to force, you would shag a hell load, like shooting a female raider's gun and leg, killing her comrades, shagging her then kill her, it would be human to do such things.
Oh, yes. Completely human.


What?
Well for starters, if her comrades were around, your dead, two, you don't what her to kill you first, three, killing her would be an insurance as it were to make sure she doesn't kill your first.

Plus I'm going on the idea that in the wasteland you've lost your mind and are completely insane, add a bit of characterising, because if a game allows this level of play and development would mean the other parts would be even more open, like maybe in Fallout 3 to tame one of the five Super Mutant Behemoth
I'm not desperate enough that I feel like I'd need to get laid before I died. I could see me trying to defend myself, maybe, but I wouldn't see the need to have to rape someone before I kill them. Besides, is it even possible for women to rape men?
No, i don't think many people are, but your not getting into the mindset, you have to think like a madman to predict things, and yes it is, but not as many women do. Killing them was the plan to begin with, so either be a evil arsehole or let them live...then you die
 

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However, there's no way I buy a game with a rape option. The rape option carters mainly to people with rape fetish, not to role-players that want to play evil characters. Under no circumstances do I want to support that kind of games.
I'm with you on that one. I'm quite certain it would be cast out by the general gaming community. Myself, I'd go to extreme lengths to not get anywhere within 50 meters of a copy of that.

I'm not sure on the whole sex in games thing though. Sure, I haven't experienced many occassions where it was, uh, done, but across the board I tend to be against it. If it's done properly and tied to the story, sure, if it's overdone, it will just lead to the game being ruined for me.

But rape is a whole other story. Personally I wouldn't even if I was actually inside the game, doing what I would do. It's not human, not by a long shot.

Edit; since the Fallout 3 examples seem to rain in, I'll go with one too. Dukov's Place. So overly done and ridiculous I could not have killed that guy faster. It is not often I think like this in Fallout, but this time the world was better off without him.
 

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Wouldukindly said:
Someone posted something on this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFywW99Uvwc&feature=channel_page on another thread, his comments on sex and video games have a lot of truth to them.
Thanks for the video. It says alot that holds to be true sadly.
 

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Why would you want to stick your penis in something that was shooting you seconds before?

And far far far more importantly, why would you stick your penis in something that has a 90% chance of being highly irradiated?


Also, for the original poster, google 'RapeLay' and buy yourself a copy. Yet more games I was horrified to find exist, thanks to this forum :p
 

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Spirultima said:
I see your point of view, but obviously i worded what i was saying badly, and hentai games that i hear about is just sex, so it doesn't really class in the category I'm on about.

I don't mean large, indepth, graphic detailing (mini games either) on the sex scenes, im just on about the choice, like, say i went out tomorrow, went to a bar, and picked up a girl/guy who was asking for it(the story is so far from what would happen, its becoming a fairy tale) i would have the choice to, or not to (in reality i would just come home and play on Endwars or something) and games talk about being "free choice" so why not add such things?

And England are no better, i just want a game where you really can do something YOU want and such.
You're problem is that you're hamstrung by the fact that while there are choices you can make, it's impossible to have EVERYTHING be available without having the game be stupidly large, and even then the players would NEVER find everything. The more choice you have the larger the game has to be by geometic scaling.

The devs cut out sex from the sandboxes because A) it's a hot topic that might get them in such hot water that they couldn't recover as a company from the legal fallout B)because they might catch the dreaded AO rating which would kill the game faster than if you'd said it contains 3 types of smallpox C) it's REALLY hard to have sex in a game that's not incredibly shallow.
 

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I'm going to have to go with... Sex is for making babies, and video games are for the most part playing with them. It's closer than you think!
 

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I think as long as people such as the original poster want a game where they can savagely rape injured NPCs exist, we're better off without sex in video games.
I mean, seriously? If you play Fallout 3 and you're concerned over why you can't rape characters, yet you have to open locked doors with a bobby pin when there's a fully-functioning rocket launcher at hand, your priorities are skewered, to say the least.

On the subject at hand, sex and gaming are so far apart because when the two are combined they're approached with the most juvenile intentions. Look, a gang-bang minigame in God of War! A secret shagging minigame in San Andreas! Two characters fucking in a subway train without any reason or beleivable character development in Indigo Prophecy! Somebody, fetch me the Kleenex!
Games developers, at least where sex is involved, show a very outdated view of their audience. Gamers aren't necessarily the unwillingly celibate nerds they were made out to be in the late 80s, and filling their games with these adolescent, masturbatory attitudes toward sex is dire, to say the least. I've not encountered any game that has attempted "Sexy" content that hasn't left me perhaps a little bit awkward and patronised afterwards.

If somebody could create a game where sex was presented between two characters with the sort of mutual intimacy it really requires, I'd be releived, though I don't beleive it'll happen any time soon.