Why is the confederacy of the Civil War the governing body of space?

[maddawg IAJI]

...The hell is OP on?

And where can I gete some?

/jk

Seriously though, since when has the confederacy been the ruler of space?

Well, Bulletstorm's government was run by A confederacy. The problem is that the OP seems to think that the Civil War Confederates are the only Confederates to ever exist. In reality, it probably wouldn't be a bad form of government if you needed to control several planets that were light years apart.

youbetrollin?

Depends, which part am I supposedly trolling about?

Wait, what are we talking about?

I'm not sure. It appears we have Amnesia. Shall we go on a epic quest to find our memories?

 

[Canid117]

A)There is a story reason for it and B) they are the bad guys so why are you bitching?

 

[Desert Warrior]

Because, a confederacy IN space is bad arse.
Also why should people be so fricking ashamed of things that happened in the past.
I am of mostly german ancestry on my mums side and people still go on about the holocaust and like to say how bad a boy that germany und its allies were.

 

[Rhade]

Starcraft. That is why.

Yeah, that's probably a very obvious and well known example. And even then, despite the wild west feel and a few favours of western and southern American accents, it seemed like little more than a name and an emblem. The Confederacy of Starcraft seemed a bit more like an Evil PMC crossed with an autocratic government than a bunch of people in love with the idea of enslaving others of their own species.

Admittedly there's a bit of a plot to enslave the zerg, which happens in a few smaller cases, but that's not exactly center-stage in the storyline or their purpose in it. It's mostly about nuking Korhal, that kind of thing.

 

[Lord Aronsworth]

Yes, slavery was a large issue regarding the secession, but a lot of it was the fact that the North was essentially making the South its *****. It would go through all these sneaky little ways to deprive the southern states of their rights. Combine that with the fact that Washington DC was in the North, and they essentially had the cards stacked against them. Yes, it was arguably for the greater good, but the kind of governing the north did to abolish slavery was questionably legal at best.

Well, somebody won American History.

I don't remember where I read it, but the confederate flag was more a heritage thing than "I <3 slavery" thing.

Or maybe, just maybe, they were implying that in that age the governing of space was set up like a confederation [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederation].

 

[Saltyk]

Understandably though, the south finds pride in reenacting this war, which in my opinion they should be ashamed, not proud. They choose to relive this as a proud moment even though they lost and if not only partially, they were fighting for something that today would be deemed really racist. Its like if the germans reenacted WW2.

To put this in context, I'm on neither side as I live in Wyoming.

Well, most Southern people claim the war was over State's rights. Something which people all over the country will bring up from time to time for various different reasons.

Personally, I don't buy that. But nor do I believe the war was ABOUT slavery in itself. The truth is that the war was about money. Economics. At the time, the North was considerably more industrial and manufactured plenty of things. The South was more agricultural. As a result, the North favored policies that favored their materials, that generally hurt the South economically. You are familiar with tariffs I trust. Well, the North favored higher tariffs to encourage people to purchase their own locally made goods, while the South preferred lower tariffs as this favored lower tariffs from other countries as well. Believe it or not, but at the time, southern cotton was considered some of the best in the world, and was exported all over.

Now, I'm not naive. Slavery was a part of the equation. Slave labor allowed the south to produce that cotton and other crops at a lower cost, but the south didn't fight the entire war so that they could keep slaves specifically. But nor did they fight it for State's Rights. They fought for money. And people want to romanticize the battle as something more. In my view, both people that claim the war was over slavery and those that it was over "State's Rights" are foolish.

By the way, I'm distantly related to a famous member of the Confederacy and I am ashamed of the actions they took.

 

[starkiller212]

I supose it would be for me if someone did a satirical game in Australia and we're all convicts chasing aboriginals, riding kangaroos whilst dodging drop bears - it would undoubtably piss me off but in the end its (hopefully) satire.

That would make for an awesome game! Hell, it would make for an awesome country! Why isn't Australia like that already?!?!
(Also "drop bears" sounds like something from "Threatdown"

OT, what JJMUG said. Confederacy is just a system of government, not necessarily the CSA.

 

[Slick Samurai]

As people have said before, the Confederacy was about slavery, but it wasn't in a bigotted way. In the south, slavery was an intergral part of the economy, cotten was picked extremely cheap, and sold across the country. When the north tried to ban slavery, it was like if McDonalds could no longer use unemployed teenagers as a work force.

So they decided to recede, insuing war. Over the years I had been ashamed of my southern heritage, but recently I have grown proud of the Confederacy not because of slavery, but because they had the balls to stand up against a clearly superior enemy for what they believed in.

Also, I don't really know what this thread is about so I just said my opinions on the Confederacy.

 

[Vohn_exel]

Why are we always the badguys is what I'd like to know. We weren't Nazis, the south didn't have a plan to take over the world. They were fighting for their rights, and while yes, Slavery was a part of the war, it was a different world back then. People thought it was normal, and they didn't think of it as wrong. Imagine a world where suddenly killing cows for beef is considered as wrong as racism is today. They would talk about us like butchers (well, you know, the bad kind) for eating cows. But to us, it's just something we do everyday for food.

But seriously, they were fighting for their way of life. They were normal people that believed in what they were fighting for. No one shoved them on the frontlines, they were there by choice (at least at the start, might've been different near the end.) But my ancestors (probably) weren't evil people bent on world domination. We're always the evil stupid badguy hicks in movies. The flag wasn't even used as a racist symbol until the KKK started using it, and now everyone that wants to "be" southern thinks they have to be racist hillbillies. Racist and "CSA" aren't always the same thing. Whats worse is that there are people that even NOW think that once you cross the Mason Dixon line, we all turn into ignorant morons swilling beer and spouting racial slurs. They expect to see the lowest depths that a human can reach, creating a cesspool of filth and incest. Believe it or not, some of us actually graduated highschool!

But yeah...I guess that kind of hit a nerve with me. I mean seriously, we don't have to be the badguys all the time. I'm proud of my family that fought in the war for what they believed in. It might've been wrong, but they believed in it and fought for it. Thats more then most people can say they've done today. I can't see us rising up over the insanely high gas prices anytime soon. We'll all just sit back and take it like always. But seriously, can we have a confederate character that isn't an evil beer swilling woman beating racist pig?

 

[Neverhoodian]

Okay, so was this thread originally about Starcraft or something? I can answer that question easily enough, and I don't even play Starcraft (fans of the series, feel free to correct me on this if I'm wrong).

Blizzard wanted to portray your typical Terran soldier as "redneck Space Marines." Stereotypical depictions of American rednecks give them a Southern drawl and Confederate imagery on their belongings. Because of this, they gave Terran Marines a Southern drawl and placed some Confederate-style imagery on their vehicles.

You have to bear in mind that Starcraft doesn't have a straight-up "good vs. evil" morality scale when it comes to factions. Much like the current state of the Horde and Alliance in the Warcraft mythos, Starcraft's conflicts are more about conflicting cultural ideals and misunderstandings instead of the simplistic "humans good, aliens bad" approach.

To further elaborate on the discussion that has developed from this thread:

I wish people would get it through their heads that initially the American Civil War had nothing to do with slavery. The primary reason why the war was started in the first place was over the question of which form of government should have more power, state or federal. It wasn't until around the middle point of the war that race started to become an issue.

 

[iblis666]

You're all just crabby because WE WON THE CIVIL WAR.

It was an industrial society up against an agricultural society. Even speaking from south of the Mason Dixon. What did you THINK was going to happen?

Suck it, everyone south of the Mason Dixon!

Hey, I'm just saying.

Northern states rule.

I'll be really honest, I don't particularly care for this argument. In many ways, both sides equally suck. I'm a Southerner and I'm proud (and about as far away from the white trash stereotype as you can get), but that doesn't mean I don't see the flaws of the people of the region.

I want to keep this going.

But it seems you're taking it WAY to seriously.

i say we destroy all patriotic signs of the confederacy and put up patriotic images of the union in their place

im thinking we sand blast this carving away and carve a heroic image of General Sherman

 

[BonsaiK]

starcraft puts the freaking bars&stars on the starships

I think that's so people find it more entertaining when they get rushed by aliens.

Given that the US has a strange habit of calling immigrants "aliens" it's an apt metaphor... look for the "border patrol" mod for Starcraft 2, coming soon...

 

[Dwarfman]

I supose it would be for me if someone did a satirical game in Australia and we're all convicts chasing aboriginals, riding kangaroos whilst dodging drop bears - it would undoubtably piss me off but in the end its (hopefully) satire.

That would make for an awesome game! Hell, it would make for an awesome country! Why isn't Australia like that already?!?!
(Also "drop bears" sounds like something from "Threatdown"

OT, what JJMUG said. Confederacy is just a system of government, not necessarily the CSA.

Well actually drop bears are a larger more feral cousin of the Koala. The juices inside the gum leaves they eat act in a similar way to LSD tripping the creature out and giving it an insatiable hunger for blood.

 

[KanameDarkwind]

If anyone denies that slavery is an effective way of running just about everything, then look at the world's chocolate supply. Where does it come from? Africa. From slave plantations in Africa. Seriously, they make 80 cents a day for our chocolate, and are we complaining? **** NO! WE LOVE CHOCOLATE. It's a dumb morality issue, I don't see why anyone should be ashamed of anything. It was normal then, and it's normal now. Nothing has changed.