Why is Vista so terrible?

[Dys]

I'm running Vista right now. The main bugs are:

-it's slow because it eats RAM like my dad eats peanut butter (That's ALOT and ALL THE TIME, for clarification), that's slow in internet, opening programs, downloading, etc

-you need to 'get permission' for everything, even if you ARE the 'Administrator' and there's no way to turn that off that I've found.

-crashes at the drop of a hat; that includes moving the mouse while a webpage is loading, trying to open more than one program at once and trying to run several windows of the same program at once. Also, trying to close a program. Yeah, it crashes when you try to keep it from crashing...

but if you get used to it and/or you don't care, it's not ALL that bad; people just over-react...mostly...

1. It uses more ram while idle, however only like 20% or so more. If that is effecting the speed of your GUI I'd suggest keeping to operating systems whos system reqs do no exceed your hardware. It is actually a lot faster than xp, despite using more ram.
2.Check UAC controls in control panel, took me all of 30 seconds to get that crap turned off
3.Install service pack 1. I've not had recurring or consistant crashes since it was officially released. In fact, compared to XP (which for some annoying reason I have to use with solidworks), it crashes very rarely (I have a build with the latest version of firefox and facebook chat, but given how heavily modded it is I doubt anyone would try blaming that on the OS).

Really, most of the hate for vista is people still being bitter about it being forced on them. Some of us have been around long enough to still hate xp for being 'the new kid on the block' (also xp didn't actually offer any non-presentation related upgrades over 98/2000).

 

[RobCoxxy]

I've had Vista running on my laptop now for about 12 months and I haven't found any problems with file handling it making my laptop slow. However, I did have a problem for a while where it would just go into "hibernation" and there was no way to get it out of it unless I rebooted, thankfully this no longer happens and I can use Vista normally

Ah, same, that's the only thing that got me, really (well that and magical disappearing Hard Drive space) How'd you solve that hibernate thing? Haha.
The UAC is most people's problem. Easily disabled.

 

[Laughing Man]

The hate being directed at Vista is for mostly stupid reasons which can eithr be resolved with 30 minutes of tweaking, ala XP or where resolved with the first SP. The reason why I haven't upgraded to Vista is the more simple one.

XP SP3 is the culmination of years of work to create a stable and secure OS and it works. My system never crashes and the only BSOD I have had of recent times was a direct result of a faulty mod installed on Oblivion. In essence Vista offers nothing that makes it significantly better than XP, in real world terms it ain't faster, it ain't any more secure, and it ain't any more stable in day to day use. So why go through the hassle of paying a hundred and something odd pound and then having to restore all your programs and files for no obvious benefit?

That's the reason why so many people hate it, it could easily not have existed. MS could have skipped it and spent a great deal of time working on 7. I suppose you could say that Vista is the ideal test bed, the ultimate Beta test for 7. So for all those that are using Vista I thank you you're helping to make 7 a better OS. Oh and I am waiting for 7 and cheaper SSDs before I switch out of XP.

 

[thiosk]

file management system clashes with what microsoft has taught us to do for nearly 20 years. The file manager makes no sense, and theres lots of ghost directories that if you click on, vista wont say "oh thats just a ghost directory" it tells you "FILE NOT ACCESSIBLE."

Accessible means i can have it. Not accessible means it shouldn't be on my computer. Oh sure, its just placeholders, placeholders for compatibility, but whatever. I was pissed.


I installed linux the day i discovered that after building a new rig. Sadly, i don't know how the eff that works, and I can't play any games on it, so im trapped in this goofy looking vistaland.

 

[Raregolddragon]

It's not your just misinformed by the media and fools who never used vista but think there computer masters because they know how to use bittorrent.

 

[Daveman]

because it allows DX10, no wait... I guess it's actually awesome.

 

[DragunovHUN]

It isn't. Most Vista bashers are either Mac users or people who have never used it.

You can disable most of the annoying features in about 10 seconds, which is most of what anyone complains about anyways.

Oh, you could turn off the complete lack of driver support when Vista was released?

Honestly, i don't think Vista is that bad now. But the initial problems that were mostly fixed by now, really gave this OS a bad reputation. And you know how it goes with first impressions.

Either way, i'm perfectly fine with XP untill Windows 7 comes out so i've skipped Vista entirely.

 

[Tim Buck II]

Haven't read any of the other posts, I just noticed that this was posted in the forum. Here's why vista sucks: BECAUSE YOU TOUCH YOURSELF.

And I'm not checking this thread again. Have fun with it.

Okay, that's mean, and you know it.

P.E.B.C.A.C.

PEPKAC, actually. Because "keyboard" starts with the letter K.

 

[notascleverasithinkiam]

I think most of the problem is the changes to the interface, making it harder to do things until you learn how to access them, and bad word of mouth from both legitimate and exagerated problems.

To expand, the cosmetic look of windows hasn't changed much over the last few upgrades (98, NT, ME, XP); everything can be accessed in basically the same way in each of these versions. Vista has changed this slightly, yet for a new user significantly (eg XP start menu has program files, control panel, find etc.etc, whereas Vista control panel has most of these down the side, with recently accessed programs in the main part, as a basic example). While this is easily fixed by using the OS and becoming familiar with it, many people may be put off by first impressions when they can't work out how to change the desktop background or whatever.

On the second point, I believe that when first released there were several issues that caused major problems, many of which have been fixed, a few that still remain (i.e UAC, resource demand and compatability issues). word got around that it was a bad OS, and the stigma stuck. People who got the early, buggy versions would have still had their XP disks, so simply loaded it back on and became the most fervent Vista haters, spreading the bad word of mouth and being unaware of the fixes because they never tried it again.

For the record, I have Vista on my desktop and laptop, but the PCs at work and Uni run XP, and I can jump between them with no issues (except Word '07, but that is mainly due to my first point above, with all my nice drop down menus replaced with one "convenient" toolbar, and is a subject for another thread.)

 

[Tim Buck II]

Because Vista HATES games, deliberately nags your ass off about changes it makes to itself(!), deprives you of the ware freedom XP has (sounds and recording for one thing) and the system requirements are just unfair.

And let's not forget some games only run on Vista in a RETARDED attempt at phasing out XP just to promote Vista.

How does it hate games, exactly? It can't run some older ones, as evidenced above, but that is no reason to hate the newer version. You don't hate the Gamecube for being unable to play N64 games, do you?

That is just the WORST argument ever. The GameCube doesn't support cartridges, idiot. And the fact Vista doesn't play older games is a completely valid reason to hate it because it deliberately crashes or BSoD's on them for no reason.

For no reason? Hardly. It is new technology and, well, old games are old.

Oh, and for the record, equating the console generations and lack of backwards compatibility to the compatibility issues associated with new operating systems is perfectly reasonable.

That is just the WORST argument ever. The GameCube doesn't support cartridges, idiot. And the fact Vista doesn't play older games is a completely valid reason to hate it because it deliberately crashes or BSoD's on them for no reason.

Since we're being immature and insulting people, how about:
L2use compatibility mode, nub!?

Oh, and to use the word 'deliberate' implies that Microsoft intends for you to receive a blue screen of death when you try to run an older game, and I think if you stop and take a moment, you will realize how absurd that statement is.

What they said.

Yes, the Gamecube doesn't support cartridges. Exactly. So it's not designed for older games. Neither is Vista. So, like they said, it's a valid argument.

 

[Possiblyreef]

People complain about vista saying normally:
"OMG ITS SO BAD IT IS SLOW AND IT WONT WORK"

what they actually mean is:
"OMG MY COMPUTER ISNT GOOD ENOUGH TO RUN IT AND NOW I SHALL COMPLAIN ITS BADLY MADE"

its like
playing crysis on a 5year old dell and wondering why it wont work, because admitting your pc isnt good enough is hard, and blaming it on the software is easier

some other things:

You can't play some old games because they run on DOS which Vista can't handle. And it's a *****.

then why bother getting it atall?

uses too much ram

when i got bf2142 at release, i had 1gb of ram, wasnt enough, i bought more, 2gb, game runs awesome smooth. i buy crysis, 2gb isnt enough, i buy more, 4 gb, game runs awesome smooth.

its like saying, i dont like progress
if you want everything to be compatibale or atleast work with everything then you should probably buy counterstrike and never change atall. and whilst there be content with your nvidia FX series and 256mb of SDRAM.

 

[Tim Buck II]

Well, no, you're wrong. Backwards compatibility in the console sector usually lies with the hardware. Most generational jumps mean a total change in core hardware, especially the cpu architexture. The ps2 only had ps1 compatibility because it contained the ps1 chip. If they change the chip all backwards compaibility had to be emulated. BUT not the PC market, remember your still using a derivative of an IBM compatible made 25 years ago, thats how PC survived, they have always had a degree of backwards compatibilty.

Vista is not really new at all, it doesnt doesnt do anything you cant do with XP, the only major change its a bit prettier and has Direct X 10, which isn't really that major. And the people who really think vista is terrible, the people who actually matter to Microsoft are the IT managers of all the big firms who really can't see a point in having to upgrade the hardware of 1000's of PC's just to run and operating system, which doesn't actually do anything that the old one doesnt, and does it slower (especially network file transfers, dont know if thats been fixed now, i uninstalled my vista).

I personally hate it for 3 letters DRM. Even though nothings come of it, the DRM is so entangled in VISTA it actually takes up process cycles whilst its idle. I dont want to be possible told in the futuret what i can watch something on, when i can watch it and how many times.

/Rant

That wasn't a rant. You were just getting technological. And pretty much agreeing with us, I think. Why do I think that? Because you're pretty much saying that consoles generally aren't built to play games from the previous console generation, which is pretty much what I said (And what I said is a valid argument.).

 

[ZZ-Tops89]

Haven't read any of the other posts, I just noticed that this was posted in the forum. Here's why vista sucks: BECAUSE YOU TOUCH YOURSELF.

And I'm not checking this thread again. Have fun with it.

Okay, that's mean, and you know it.

P.E.B.C.A.C.

PEPKAC, actually. Because "keyboard" starts with the letter K.

In retrospect I should have made it more clear that I was being sarcastic/making fun of people who troll. Really I find Vista disappointing in that it's a very minor improvement over XP. With the service packs you can get decent performance, but overall I feel that as an OS it isn't anything except XP with graphical upgrades and a few other fixes.

The big problem I have is that it seems to want to protect users from themselves. Anytime I move anything into the program files folder, I need to give admin permission, which 1. Doesn't protect me from anything since any decent hacker can work around that, and 2. gets really annoying.

EDIT: I would like to point out again that I don't think vista is terrible, just that it isn't great. And I think Microsoft knows that. My opinion is that they knew vista would be a stop-gap until they could figure out what they wanted to do with windows 7.

 

[Grab-bag]

I got one computer with vista and another with XP. It depends on what it is I need to do...