Why not topless ?

[EzraPound]

because guys find girl's breasts more attractive then girls find guy's breasts

I would differ, but whatever.

erm... did you happen to go to Amsterdam by any chance? i live in Britain, and its very very conservative... i might say even more so than the US! (although highly unlikely), and the rest of Europe, although they are admitedly more relaxed about nudity, doesn't exactly have naked people strolling all over the place... i've never seen nudity on bill boards and such either, either in Britain or Europe (i refuse to acknowledge Britain as part of Europe!!! cause... well, just cause!)

Britain obviously isn't more conservative than the U.S. Collectivism is ingrained in its culture (Edmund Burke?), and it's led by a party that makes no bones about being culturally Marxist.

 

[videonerd250]

Of course, but the other guy's arguement was that it wouldn't have any effect on men, I was correcting him.

It wouldn't really have any effect on men, and that's a bad angle. Freeing back slaves showed patent disregard for white slaveowners' 'assets', but it was still the right thing to do.

Did you just compare freeing boobs to freeing slaves?

 

[cuddly_tomato]

Get a classroom full of atheist 14 year olds, and then get a woman to teach them all topless. If you are going to claim it would all be fine then you are talking out of your ass. If you are going to say there might be a few difficulties then you can't blame religion for this one.

So because of prejudice that results in the objectification of women when they expose the same region of their body as men, it somehow makes sense not to legalize going topless? I don't follow - attractive women have a hard time teaching young males, anyway.

No. I mentioned nothing of legality nor anything to do with objectification.

I am merely pointing out the absurdity of blaming religion for this.

Religion has everything to do with this, when a society blames women going topless or the exposure of a breast on television with the corruption of their children. If the greater part of the society feels this way or has these morals, they will vote to keep it illegal.

Very well.

Next time a flasher is caught by police for waving his todger at strangers I will remember that he isn't a pervert, it is just my prejudice left over from the intolerance of some biggoted 17th century priests.

By the way, do you need a tunnel at all? I have one for sale at the moment...

Europe is not one giant sex-party, we do care if people walk around naked, and just because it occurs more frequently here, that does not mean we see it as anything other than a bunch of exhibitionists craving attention.

Qayin, now you took my slight exaggeration as a personal attack. I could and was thinking about mentioning Spain or a few other countries that ALLOW IT, but because I didn't, YOU decided I said your country was nothing but a bunch of Sex Maniacs. I NEVER SAID THAT. I NEVER MEANT THAT! I said that women SUNBATHE TOPLESS. Not that they run through the streets of PARIS fucking each other in public. I SPECIFICALLY mentioned Sunbathing. THAT IS ALL I MENTIONED. You need to chill out. No one here was personally attacking you.

Capslock warrior here.

Are you saying nobody sunbathes nude on beaches in Florida or California?

 

[Helnurath]

Are muscular male chests considered sexually attractive?

 

[Helnurath]

Get a classroom full of atheist 14 year olds, and then get a woman to teach them all topless. If you are going to claim it would all be fine then you are talking out of your ass. If you are going to say there might be a few difficulties then you can't blame religion for this one.

So because of prejudice that results in the objectification of women when they expose the same region of their body as men, it somehow makes sense not to legalize going topless? I don't follow - attractive women have a hard time teaching young males, anyway.

No. I mentioned nothing of legality nor anything to do with objectification.

I am merely pointing out the absurdity of blaming religion for this.

Religion has everything to do with this, when a society blames women going topless or the exposure of a breast on television with the corruption of their children. If the greater part of the society feels this way or has these morals, they will vote to keep it illegal.

Very well.

Next time a flasher is caught by police for waving his todger at strangers I will remember that he isn't a pervert, it is just my prejudice left over from the intolerance of some biggoted 17th century priests.

By the way, do you need a tunnel at all? I have one for sale at the moment...

Please, tell me, what are American morals based on? Why are they based on it? Why?

 

[strizzuth]

Are muscular male chests considered sexually attractive?

It depends who you ask. I'd say yes, they are. On the other hand I'm not so lacking in self control that simply seeing a good looking guy shirtless makes me drop what I'm doing, fill up my phone's memory card with photos and abandon productivity. I wouldn't hoot and holler or follow him around, nor would I try to make any advances. Seriously now, the idea that being exposed to sexual or arousing images has some sort of pavlovian effect on men is a bit condescending.

 

[Helnurath]

Europe is not one giant sex-party, we do care if people walk around naked, and just because it occurs more frequently here, that does not mean we see it as anything other than a bunch of exhibitionists craving attention.

Qayin, now you took my slight exaggeration as a personal attack. I could and was thinking about mentioning Spain or a few other countries that ALLOW IT, but because I didn't, YOU decided I said your country was nothing but a bunch of Sex Maniacs. I NEVER SAID THAT. I NEVER MEANT THAT! I said that women SUNBATHE TOPLESS. Not that they run through the streets of PARIS fucking each other in public. I SPECIFICALLY mentioned Sunbathing. THAT IS ALL I MENTIONED. You need to chill out. No one here was personally attacking you.

Don't women sunbathe topless in America as well?

Oh and also there's quite a few people here mixing up religion with morals.
It's quite true that both might be related but it doesn't apply to the general rule.

Some American morals are based on religious ideals in a society where nudity is extremely sexualized.

 

[videonerd250]

Get a classroom full of atheist 14 year olds, and then get a woman to teach them all topless. If you are going to claim it would all be fine then you are talking out of your ass. If you are going to say there might be a few difficulties then you can't blame religion for this one.

So because of prejudice that results in the objectification of women when they expose the same region of their body as men, it somehow makes sense not to legalize going topless? I don't follow - attractive women have a hard time teaching young males, anyway.

No. I mentioned nothing of legality nor anything to do with objectification.

I am merely pointing out the absurdity of blaming religion for this.

Religion has everything to do with this, when a society blames women going topless or the exposure of a breast on television with the corruption of their children. If the greater part of the society feels this way or has these morals, they will vote to keep it illegal.

Very well.

Next time a flasher is caught by police for waving his todger at strangers I will remember that he isn't a pervert, it is just my prejudice left over from the intolerance of some biggoted 17th century priests.

By the way, do you need a tunnel at all? I have one for sale at the moment...

The only thing is a flasher isn't "showing himself" because he thinks it's wrong to cover it up, most flashers are perverts who get a sexual thrill from showing strangers his dong.
People who blame religion do so because they believe religious people declared that boobs are sexual, whether you believe they are or not and why is up to you.
Boobs have been sexualized, penises/vaginas are unarguably sexual and have always been that way.

 

[Helnurath]

Intresting, why would exposed breasts to be considered offense?
http://www.bodyfreedom.org/guide/essays/offense.html

 

[sirdanrhodes]

I actually think it's kind of sexist that women can look at men, but if men look at women with their top ON, the man would be a pervert.

 

[Spartan Bannana]

meh, in America we have kind of a fear of sexuality and the over sexuality of out culture, we see too much sex here, so sexual expression has become a bad thing, to be feared and scorned.

 

[Lord George]

Even if it were considered totally normal, I don't think you'd get too many british women going topless most of the time because its too damn cold all the time, Hell I don't even like exposing my hands at the moment its so cold.

 

[rated pg]

fairly sure women can, thought this case came before court and they said "ok fine, if you want to, go ahead." i'm not 100% sure but meh.

you can, but why would you want to? =D

 

[Helnurath]

In America, most morals ARE laws. Thus, Nudity is illegal.

I started to read the Essay posted above. I agree. I see nothing wrong with Sunbathing topless, or even public nudity in and of itself, but I think Businesses and such are NOT the place for it.

I agree.
Personal hygiene may become the issue then. It would really kill my appetite when I am sitting in restaurant eating near some smelly naked guy.