Why so much hate for Sony?
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Here is my rant on the whole thing:
Wireless Controllers: I know that this isn't a very big thing...but I can say every company even Nintindo stole this idea...from...Atari! That's right...Atari did do a wireless controller...if that isn't a good thing to say every company is stealing their idea nothing is.
Playstation 3: I have one...I like it but I don't like the slowness in some games and also the long update times...that's it really. I can't find anything wrong...I laugh at people when they say it overheats...I have mine below my tv in a nice big space and I only get a little warmness which I enjoy on a cold day...I ask them and they go quiet and tell me to shut the **** up. Though I have to say the PS3 has a thing saying it will last for at least 10 years...one thing I can be happy about.
XBox360: I don't have it but I have played it and I like it...the controller is a little to big for me and the buttons get hard to get used too but I enjoy the thing anyways. I never did Live or anything so I dunno about that but I just like the thing...If I could buy it I would and would buy loads of games for it but I just don't want the whole will break down and give you the red finger of death.
Nintendo Wii: Never played it but the fact it's named after something we all give out when we drink too much puts me off there and then. Yes it has good games but then I don't want to discover after playing it I have to pay for the stuff I broke as I frantically waved my arms and legs about to play it right.
I couldn't care at all if people copied each other...as long as they made it good and not something that deserves Yahtzee then I can let them off...Microsoft copies people! Nintendo copies people! Sony copies people! That's the truth and if you can accept that then your a fanboy even if you say your not...I also don't mind the whole amount of games for each console. Yea you don't get many games to play on but at least you know that through time games will come out and if your able to wait then that's a good thing. If you don't like waiting and then you complain about buying the wrong console in the future then why the hell didn't you buy it then! Sometimes it grates me and then sometimes it doesn't. I've read most of this thread and sometimes people make sence. Every company has made mistakes so what? doesn't mistakes give them the knowledge that they did something wrong and can work to make it better.
Also I see the whole the companies don't care about people....that's because the bosses don't...that's why they make departments about Marketing and safty and all that so they don't have to care about them...they pay others TO care about the people. Don't blame the company...blame the fat money obessed big shots up there in their overpriced luxery homes smoking real money off their tusk tables and talk to people on their 2000 dimond incrusted phone.
Wireless Controllers: I know that this isn't a very big thing...but I can say every company even Nintindo stole this idea...from...Atari! That's right...Atari did do a wireless controller...if that isn't a good thing to say every company is stealing their idea nothing is.
Playstation 3: I have one...I like it but I don't like the slowness in some games and also the long update times...that's it really. I can't find anything wrong...I laugh at people when they say it overheats...I have mine below my tv in a nice big space and I only get a little warmness which I enjoy on a cold day...I ask them and they go quiet and tell me to shut the **** up. Though I have to say the PS3 has a thing saying it will last for at least 10 years...one thing I can be happy about.
XBox360: I don't have it but I have played it and I like it...the controller is a little to big for me and the buttons get hard to get used too but I enjoy the thing anyways. I never did Live or anything so I dunno about that but I just like the thing...If I could buy it I would and would buy loads of games for it but I just don't want the whole will break down and give you the red finger of death.
Nintendo Wii: Never played it but the fact it's named after something we all give out when we drink too much puts me off there and then. Yes it has good games but then I don't want to discover after playing it I have to pay for the stuff I broke as I frantically waved my arms and legs about to play it right.
I couldn't care at all if people copied each other...as long as they made it good and not something that deserves Yahtzee then I can let them off...Microsoft copies people! Nintendo copies people! Sony copies people! That's the truth and if you can accept that then your a fanboy even if you say your not...I also don't mind the whole amount of games for each console. Yea you don't get many games to play on but at least you know that through time games will come out and if your able to wait then that's a good thing. If you don't like waiting and then you complain about buying the wrong console in the future then why the hell didn't you buy it then! Sometimes it grates me and then sometimes it doesn't. I've read most of this thread and sometimes people make sence. Every company has made mistakes so what? doesn't mistakes give them the knowledge that they did something wrong and can work to make it better.
Also I see the whole the companies don't care about people....that's because the bosses don't...that's why they make departments about Marketing and safty and all that so they don't have to care about them...they pay others TO care about the people. Don't blame the company...blame the fat money obessed big shots up there in their overpriced luxery homes smoking real money off their tusk tables and talk to people on their 2000 dimond incrusted phone.
I have a couple things to say.
First. I like Playstations (my name says it all). The original Playstation was my first console (I'm 15).
People- "Sony is just copying and making it better"
And that's what everybody does! If nobody did it then we would have one console with rumble, one with motion sensor, one with online, one with achievments, one with duel anolog, one with hard drive.
And then if you have to decide between Xbox 360 and PS3. The differences are minor at most (except games). What would you do if it was like this?
Xbox 360- online, achievments
PS3- online, rumble, duel anolog
Wii- online, motion sensor
People- "Sony's Home is like the Wii's Mii Channel"
They're just trying to make it look like Sony is ripping somebody else off.
To me it looks a hell of a lot more like the Sims.
People- "The PS3 has to many glitches"
I've had my PS3 over a year. How many times has it broke down or done ANYTHING wrong?
NEVER!
My cousin has had his Xbox 360 over a year. It's broken down to many times to count.
For more opinions watch the ZP's Console Rundown, Yahtzee goes to GDC, and several others when Yahtzee mentions the problems with the Xbox 360.
People- "The PS3 is to expensive"
Have you looked at the recent prices? Yes it was way to expensive when they relesed it but how much have the prices gone down.
People- "There were so many rumors surrounding the PS3"
I never heard ANY! The only thing I heard about the PS3 was that it was going to be expensive.
And don't get me started on the rumors around the 360. I'll tell you one. I don't know if you heard this but everybody where I lived heard it. Goes like this.
Person 1- The Xbox 360 is going to have a hard drive so you can't tell places that rent games you have one.
Person 2- Why?
Person 1- Because when you put in a game once it reads the WHOLE thing so you never have to put in the game again because it's on the hard drive.
I call Bullshit on that.
There.
I'm done.
Now I will let all of you who disagree start quoting me and cussing me out and telling me how I'm wrong and I don't gave a crap.
First. I like Playstations (my name says it all). The original Playstation was my first console (I'm 15).
People- "Sony is just copying and making it better"
And that's what everybody does! If nobody did it then we would have one console with rumble, one with motion sensor, one with online, one with achievments, one with duel anolog, one with hard drive.
And then if you have to decide between Xbox 360 and PS3. The differences are minor at most (except games). What would you do if it was like this?
Xbox 360- online, achievments
PS3- online, rumble, duel anolog
Wii- online, motion sensor
People- "Sony's Home is like the Wii's Mii Channel"
They're just trying to make it look like Sony is ripping somebody else off.
To me it looks a hell of a lot more like the Sims.
People- "The PS3 has to many glitches"
I've had my PS3 over a year. How many times has it broke down or done ANYTHING wrong?
NEVER!
My cousin has had his Xbox 360 over a year. It's broken down to many times to count.
For more opinions watch the ZP's Console Rundown, Yahtzee goes to GDC, and several others when Yahtzee mentions the problems with the Xbox 360.
People- "The PS3 is to expensive"
Have you looked at the recent prices? Yes it was way to expensive when they relesed it but how much have the prices gone down.
People- "There were so many rumors surrounding the PS3"
I never heard ANY! The only thing I heard about the PS3 was that it was going to be expensive.
And don't get me started on the rumors around the 360. I'll tell you one. I don't know if you heard this but everybody where I lived heard it. Goes like this.
Person 1- The Xbox 360 is going to have a hard drive so you can't tell places that rent games you have one.
Person 2- Why?
Person 1- Because when you put in a game once it reads the WHOLE thing so you never have to put in the game again because it's on the hard drive.
I call Bullshit on that.
There.
I'm done.
Now I will let all of you who disagree start quoting me and cussing me out and telling me how I'm wrong and I don't gave a crap.
Not really a surprise since Gabe isn't really a coder but a producer at Valve. That being said, if I were to pick between Half-Life 2 or Doom 3, I'd pick the former in a heartbeat. Doom 3 and its descendants really aren't games "that even turned down look great and run well".cleverlymadeup said:
But that's not the idea we're talking about. The idea is a universal high score that all the platform's games add to. And as far as I know, MS really did do that first.Indigo_Dingo said:
As for my reasons of Sony hate:
- draconian copy protection schemes
- bullshit advertising that's poor taste
- downright cockiest of the three ("PC Dead, Nintendo For Kids, We Innovate"...um, yeah)
- screws over Europeans (heftier price tag, less features)
- they seem to spend an awful lot of time ridiculing their competition while trying desperately to become like them
And my reasons for PS3 dislike:
- The capability to install Linux, but you can't access all the hardware
- A general lack of interesting exclusives
- The fact that us Europeans don't even have an option to get a PS3 with PS2 BC
- The European PSN seldomly ever gets updated
- We haven't yet really seen anything technically that's impossible on the competition
As for folks complaining about kids screaming into the mic in Xbox Live, there's a mute button and you also have the option to switch to a channel that only has your friends in it. In general the whole experience on the 360 is more unified, but Sony seems to be getting there with ingame XMB and the new store. I am interested in seeing how MS answers this, since we didn't have a spring update, which hopefully means we'll be getting some new stuff as well. Like a new dashboard (hopefully).
Oh, and typing MS "m$" really stopped being funny at around 10 years ago.
Yes, but Microsoft only made, it as you said, universially known. Games had achievment-like awards that unlocked in game stuff instead of just adding a number to a bigger number. Hell, an example would be some of the Jak games, Uncharted: Drakes Fortune, Ratchet and Clank series (took me forever to beat the impossible challenge) and a slew of other games that rewarded out of style gameplay. The point is is that M$/MS didn't invent the idea as most people like to think they just made it slightly more mainstream.Woe Is You said:
that's the only thing i can think of that is innovative. The controller is not innovative as i've seen an episode of "Game Makers" on G4 Rewind about the history of the Xbox (original) and when the first announced the console some people thought the controller was too big so as the interviewee said (forgot his name, i think he was one of the lead designers of the Xbox) that they took the Playstation controller design and made the original controller slightly slimmer. So that can't really be innovation.
Couple more things that i'd like to mention as i had an apiphany last night.
1. People: "Sony doesn't give you the HD cable with the console!" And why would they? Many people don't have HD televisions so why would they waste money packaging HD Cables for people who won't even use them. For example, my friend doesn't have an HD TV so the cable would be useless.
2. "Sony is arrogant and stupid! Nintendo is the one that wants to have fun and M$/MS is the one that occasionaly gets drunk and pisses everywhere!!" That's ironic as you're bashing Sony for being arrogant but not Microsoft even though they get drunk and piss everywhere. But as some people have said, the Gamecube made Nintendo humbler and i'm not sure about the Xbox/Xbox360, but i guess it's Sony's turn to learn from their mistakes. Besides, they're doing much better than they were in 2006, you can't argue with that.
Damn, another short list. Whatever.
yes it is the same idea we're talking about, if it's just so everyone can see it doesn't change what it isWoe Is You said:
ever seen some of the stuff m$ does? way worse
m$'s advertising and public addresses are pure lies
well have you seen what m$ does? they're even cockier
hey isn't the 360 rockband just as expensive?
yeah like m$ never ever did that
at least you can install linux and without ruining your console, you can no longer use live if you mod your 360
at least their exclusives are just that, most 360 exclusives appear on the pc 6 months later
there was the 60 gig that you could have gotten
yeah weekly updates to the store is never
metal gear solid 4 and uncharted. metal gear alone, if possible to directly copy would be 10 dvds
i think you're missing the point of calling them m$ and why they are called that and it is still very funny
I did not. I said that it's a universal high score that takes all the games you play on the platform into account. That I said is the innovative part. No system had really done that before.Jumplion said:
In that sense unlockables are a very very very old idea and you'd be hard-pressed to find the game that did it first. I'd be betting on some C64/NES era game for that.
I said "seldomly". And I admit I forgot the word "worthwhile". If you check the stuff Japan and the US gets, the Europeans get the shortest end of the stick by far. Unless you're really that into Pixeljunk wallpapers and Spiderman trailers.cleverlymadeup said:
But can't anymore. By the way, has the BC games list been updated recently?
I'm not seeing anything that impressive in Uncharted techwise. It's colorful, bright and pretty, yes. Some of that visual glory is marred by amazing amounts screen tearing and lack of AA, though. I'm sure Epic could do that if they weren't so obsessed with their idea that realism means brown.
As for MGS4, the game's split nicely into acts (with install breaks... surely you can switch a disc during that time) and takes around 33GB according to news outlets. There's a lot more that goes into porting of course, but it doesn't sound like an impossibility techwise. And no, it wouldn't be near 10 dvds (where'd you pull such a figure from anyway?).
And the OS you get is crippled and next to useless. All the people I know that have it installed rarely use it for other than to showcase how it plays their favourite SNES games.
That's EA's blunder, not Microsoft's.
Yes, they've been pretty cocky recently (with all the rumours swirling around their own Wiimote copy, perhaps it's better not to claim the Wii is just a fad), but nothing really tops the cockiness of Sony ridiculing MS's way of handling BC and then going that path themselves. Pot, kettle, black?
Okay, there are plenty of reasons not to like the 360 (RRODs on pre-Falcon boxes, noise) but this reason is a bit silly.
Both are Microsoft platforms. That being said, a lot of people I've noticed using this excuse are the same people saying that PC gaming sucks, because it costs and it's not just pop the disc in and play. So if you happen to be one of those people, you might as well consider those games 360 exclusives.
I also have to note that games like Gears of War and Viva Piñata aren't designed for the PC in mind and it really shows when you try to play them there. I'd rather play them on the platform they were designed for. That being said, PC is my gaming platform choice, since I still haven't gotten any Witchers or 4X games for the console. KotOR was close, Mass Effect I felt was a step back.
And I think you should use capital letters and periods more. I've heard plenty silly reasons trying to explain dumb habits and all of them are as convincing as someone speaking of Phony instead Sony.
Oh, and I forgot another pet peeve with the PS3 that's pretty recent: mandatory HD installs. That's actually a step back from the Atari 2600 days.
Oh boy, quotes inside quotes inside quotes answering separate quotes. Let's not turn this into the MGS4 Review thread, please?
But one point i would like to point out to you;
Hmm, i thought i'd list more than that, oh well. This better not turn into one of those quoting separate quotes to answer people and then they answer you with separate quotes within the quotes.
But one point i would like to point out to you;
Well which would you rather have? Something that is voided its warranty the second you install a 3rd party application? Or something that lets you install 3rd party applications, even if you hardly use it, and it does not void your warranty. It's the same with upgradable harddrive space for the PS3, sure you're not going to use up all 250gb but it's still nice to know that you have that much space and/or have that application when you need to use it (that being said, i had no idea Lynux on a PS3 or if i did just a partial idea so how does it work on PS3 anyway?).
Like i said before, it's Sony's turn to bite the dust and accept humility just like nintendo.
Hmm, i thought i'd list more than that, oh well. This better not turn into one of those quoting separate quotes to answer people and then they answer you with separate quotes within the quotes.
I like Sony prtable stuff and the PlayStations. But I wouldn't buy one of their TVs or other household stuff, as it is overpriced.
Sony, MicroSoft, Apple, and the rest are all corporate monoliths who want to make money by selling cool stuff. One is not better than the other. One is not cuddlier and more caring than the other.
I see double posts, quote towers, misspellings, pointless rants, and the use of 'm$'
Personally, I hate Sony, "cause they tried to fukin install rootkits on mah computer!1!"
Watch the quoting, use the 'edit' button, and methinks most of you have Firefox, so right-click the words with red underneath them; that is, unless you're being ironic or using jargon.
If you don't have Firefox, go shoot yourself. Or use some other form of spellcheck.
And alpha, Nintendo just screams cuddly. And Apple hasn't dared gone into the console market yet.
Personally, I hate Sony, "cause they tried to fukin install rootkits on mah computer!1!"
Watch the quoting, use the 'edit' button, and methinks most of you have Firefox, so right-click the words with red underneath them; that is, unless you're being ironic or using jargon.
If you don't have Firefox, go shoot yourself. Or use some other form of spellcheck.
And alpha, Nintendo just screams cuddly. And Apple hasn't dared gone into the console market yet.
I like to address posts in bits. Shoot me for that. 
I'm using Opera myself. Used to use Firefox (until the advent of Firefox 3), but noticed that it had turned into the same sort of bloatware that Mozilla is/was.DEC_42 said:
totallyAlphavillain said:
with the level of personal rhetoric being thrown around, you'd think that Sony and Microsoft were the asshole neighbors next door and not corporations consisting of thousands of people.
the tooth fairy doesn't exist and corporations want as much of your money as possible any way they can get it. sorry to bumb out all you idealists.
still copying an idea someone else hadWoe Is You said:
can't take it back now, you're just trying to justify someone proving you wrong
i don't really pay attention to it, hey has the 360 one been updated? oh yeah they aren't anymore
ummm mgs4 takes a full 50 gig dual layer dvd
oh and for news sources, how about Kojima himself?
http://www.kjp.konami.jp/gs/hideoblog_e/2008/02/000150.html
yes there is a few installs during the game, however the 10 dvd figure comes this way
1 not all 360s have hard drives
2 microsoft doesn't allow games for hard drive only games
3 they can't do any hard drive install
4 they must have all the textures and such on the disc and not compressed like you can if you have a hard drive
5 even if you could do hard drive only it would still be at least 6 discs
6 it would be a totally gimped version
as for uncharted there are a lot of other small things that the game does that makes it look and act better, i never noticed an over abundance of brown playing thru it. also the colours do happen to go with tombs and the inca and such, who happened to like to use clay and things that were brownish in colour
yes and they are still developing stuff for it, at least it's not questionably legal like modding the 360 is
you do know that m$ was saying 100% backwards compatibility and then totally removed any reference to it, the xbox live staff were forbidden to even mention it and if a person did we were told the change the subject asap
well why spend $400 on something that has a high rate of failure to play one or two games that will appear on the pc a couple months later? that's not very smart
ummm the pc isn't their platform, apple, linux, unix and a few others are all considered a pc, windows is their platform
ummmm you do realize they have coding kits for doing cross development with the 360 and the pc right? so it's very easy to move it over, they have to change a couple ppc specific things
actually it's not, see loading stuff onto the hard drive decreases load times. hard drives have a lot higher read/write speed than a disc does, especially when you have a large, up to 50 gig, disc.
i showed my friend dmc4 on my ps3, he saw it start to load and then his jaw dropped once it loaded in the seconds it takes
EDIT:fixed a spelling error