Why so much hate for the Wii U?

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

I remember those commercials. They were everywhere. It did exactly what it was supposed too and in the early years they made so much bank that no one could find one because of a shortage. If nothing else can be said about Iwata at least he stays the course and sticks to his guns. Not sure if you read it but there was an article that popped up a week or so ago about one of Nintendo's investors saying they should move Mario to smart phones saying microtransactions to make Mario jump a little higher would make the company millions. The comment section then proceeded say they wanted to punch him in the face and Iwata is firm on not having Mario and crew go whole hog onto iPhones and pulling crap like that. Taking a giant pay cut for the mess the Wii U became instead of laying off thousands. He's the captain that will go down with the ship rather than abandon everyone else to save himself or sell his soul to the devil.

At this stage in the game I look at Nintendo as the stubborn old man in an action movie. Been doing this for a while, knows the ropes, hits a stumbling block in their life causing a set back, but ultimately adapting because they are just too damn stubborn to go down without a fight.

They'll pull it out. They may take a few hits but they'll come out. Learn something and then move forward.

More like the old master in a martial arts anime. They deal with cocky, arrogant neophytes all the time who don't know how big the world is and then proceed to flick said brats so hard they go through five walls. Of course, unlike those shows in which said brats get over themselves and mature, they're having to deal with a bunch of cowardly little shits who go crying back to mama.

 

[FFMaster]

Part of the hate is due to misinformation as well, I can see it in the thread, the classic "WiiU has no games", which is just untrue, it actually has quite a lot of games, just people for some reason ignore them or bat them away with "Oh i don't like those".

What they really mean is "I don't like the games on it" which is valid complaint to some people but individual to each person, and different from "It has no games" which is just false, considering it has more games than the current next gen consoles (yes due to being out for longer but that doesn't stop people shouting it)

Then there's the classic "Nintendo has no accounts system", again quoted on here, which again is wrong, they do have an accounts system, all of your purchases are tied to an account, its why you can see miiverse on your phone and make purchases via the other consoles. Its just that these accounts are tied to a single console unless you contact customer support.

Now most of us will never hit this, and again its reasonable to be slightly annoyed (not to the level that some people take it mind you) that you can't log into your mates machine to play a game, but the shouting of "WiiU has no accounts system" is not accurate, but repeated none the less.

However both of these things have been shouted so often that they have gained a truthfulness in peoples eyes.

Basically its the same as cloud convincing himself hes a member of Solider If you shout something often enough people believe its true regardless of the facts.

[EDIT]

Oh and there is also the "Should be 100$ cheaper and drop the gamepad", despite zero evidence that the gamepad actually costs 100$. Closest thing we had was a price conversion from yen to dollars on the cost ove rthere, but that was a sell to retail price, and again , quoted as fact since its taken on a truth simply because everyone quotes it. This is used as a "its overpriced because of the gamepad", then you add on the "no-one has used the gamepad well" , which ignores Nintendoland and Zombie U etc. Its just a lot of people who are ill informed shouting the same thing over and over and it taking on its own story.

 

[SonOfVoorhees]

No hate from me, just zero interest in their hardware and games. But personally i think they should stick with what they are doing, they are different to XB1/PS4 and have their own games.

 

[st0pnsw0p]

Part of the hate is due to misinformation as well, I can see it in the thread, the classic "WiiU has no games", which is just untrue, it actually has quite a lot of games, just people for some reason ignore them or bat them away with "Oh i don't like those".

What they really mean is "I don't like the games on it" which is valid complaint to some people but individual to each person, and different from "It has no games" which is just false, considering it has more games than the current next gen consoles (yes due to being out for longer but that doesn't stop people shouting it)

Then there's the classic "Nintendo has no accounts system", again quoted on here, which again is wrong, they do have an accounts system, all of your purchases are tied to an account, its why you can see miiverse on your phone and make purchases via the other consoles. Its just that these accounts are tied to a single console unless you contact customer support.

Now most of us will never hit this, and again its reasonable to be slightly annoyed (not to the level that some people take it mind you) that you can't log into your mates machine to play a game, but the shouting of "WiiU has no accounts system" is not accurate, but repeated none the less.

However both of these things have been shouted so often that they have gained a truthfulness in peoples eyes.

Basically its the same as cloud convincing himself hes a member of Solider If you shout something often enough people believe its true regardless of the facts.

[EDIT]

Oh and there is also the "Should be 100$ cheaper and drop the gamepad", despite zero evidence that the gamepad actually costs 100$. Closest thing we had was a price conversion from yen to dollars on the cost ove rthere, but that was a sell to retail price, and again , quoted as fact since its taken on a truth simply because everyone quotes it. This is used as a "its overpriced because of the gamepad", then you add on the "no-one has used the gamepad well" , which ignores Nintendoland and Zombie U etc. Its just a lot of people who are ill informed shouting the same thing over and over and it taking on its own story.

The Gamepad costs $140 to replace. [http://wiiudaily.com/2013/02/wii-u-gamepad-costs-around-140-to-replace/] If it costs anything less than $100 for Nintendo to make, there would be no reason for Nintendo to have the price so high, especially since it's a replacement and they shouldn't expect to make a big profit from it.

 

[Shadow-Phoenix]

Uhh, people know the developer isn't going to read the comments on an English gaming forum. They're just expressing their hopes for a PC port. There's nothing wrong with that.

What does saying that gain you though?, there's actual discussion to be had but asking the "can we have a PC port" type question doesn't really do much of anything, it's like saying "can we have it in orange?".

 

[KB13]

Nintendo is doing what it does best, and that is cater to the family and small child community. The people that are "hating" are late twenty-year-old to mid-forty-year-old who don't have kids, and can't seem to understand that a normal eight year old likes these kinds of games. The Wii U has made a leap by adding games like Bayonetta 2, trying to bring in more adult users, but they are sticking to what they are good at. I love Nintendo for that reason, it is family friendly, and most of the M-rated games that do make it into the Nintendo system are third-party.

 

[Stavros Dimou]

Since when just saying some facts became hate ?

 

[Pink Gregory]

Probably best not to confuse 'hate' with 'apathy', now.

I don't think it really affects anyone if there's a Nintendo console that they don't want.

I have one, I like it, and I like the games (WONDERFUL ONE OH ONE!!!!!!!!). But work needs to be done, and may not get done by the end. That's about as far as my emotional attachment goes.

 

[TrevHead]

The Wii U makes an easy target for system wars crap, on one side you have Trolls and Sony / MS fans who love to gloat and on the other side you have gamers who enjoy the WiiU and feel frustrated because they think the WiiU has some fantastic games (I fall in that camp). Put them both together and you have constant derailment where no one talks about the games.

What I find kinda annoying is that many of the criticisms that ppl say about the WiiU also apply to the PS4 and X1. They both have nothing worth playing, be it a lack of titles, too few AAAs, the exact same games to be found on last gen consoles (sequels and cross gen / PC releases).

The only difference is that no one talks about it, you rarely see forums and game sites running articles and threads pointing this out like we see with Nintendo constantly. I think those double standards adds to the frustration of the WiiU playerbase who voice their frustrations making it worse. I think I'll call it the Nintendo Negative Press Cycle it'll never end until the WiiU is dead and buried, meanwhile it removes some of the attention of the PS4/X1 failings.

 

[COMaestro]

Any console not on this list? Region locked.

Uhh... You do realise that the PS4 and Xbone are on that list, right?

Those are the only two that are really relevant at this stage, and likely the only consoles anyone is going to talk about in comparison with the WiiU.

Nope. They're not the only ones that are relevant.

Okay, what consoles do you consider relevant then? There are the newest ones (WiiU, PS4, and Xbox One), the last gen (Wii, PS3, and 360), and then handhelds (DS, 3DS, PSP, Vita). Anything older than these are meaningless to bring into the discussion as games are no longer being produced for them. For that matter, are Wii games even being made anymore? Anyway, taking the platforms that are still relevant, the only console that is region locked other than Nintendo's products (minus the DS) is the 360. And since we were discussing consoles, not handhelds, then you may as well have just said, "the 360 is region locked too." It would have saved a lot of time.

And the whole point of the original statement regarding region locking is that Nintendo is the only company still doing it with their newest console and that at this time it really is an archaic system that should be done away with.

OT: I almost never see any hate for WiiU itself or Nintendo, though I do see a lot of Nintendoomed or "they should go third party" stuff, but only when threads like this one pop up. At this point I'm pretty apathetic towards Nintendo as well. Admittedly they're in a really shitty position. People say they want more mature titles, but when they are provided, no one buys them. Their first party family friendly content makes up 50+% of their total game sales, and it's only when you get to the number 9 slot of top sellers that you get a third party entry with ZombiU. This is what makes people declare it to be a kiddie console.

I was looking into the WiiU yesterday in response to a "why should Nintendo go third party" thread and found that they really do have a number of games, I would guess 70-80 that are actually disc based. Problem with most of the launch lineup was that the third party games primarily consisted of games that had already been available for PS3/360 for a month or more, so no one who already had them cared to re-buy them for a different system. After that, they just had too large of a time gap for their own games, which have traditionally been system sellers. It took them 7 months to get out Pikmin 3 and New Super Luigi U, and then four and five months after that to get the Zelda WW remake and Super Mario 3D World, respectively.

They need to step up the release windows of their major titles, but I think they started developing them too late. Obviously it is better to have a good game release late than a crappy one released on time, as Miyamoto has said before, but they need their system selling games out yesterday. Honestly I feel the WiiU would have done better if they had released it last summer when they had more first party games ready for it and other ones ready to hit sooner, but that's just my opinion and I really have nothing factual to back it up with.

The GamePad, while innovative, has been a mistake so far as no one is really putting it to any good use. Someone mentioned NintendoLand and ZombiU. First of all, note both are launch titles, where demonstrating the functionality of the new hardware would be prioritized. It's to be expected. I really won't comment on NintendoLand as it sounds like it was a party game designed to demonstrate all the functionality of the system, so of course it's going to use the GamePad well. ZombiU may have used it well, but from all I heard it could just as easily have been done by using a transparent inventory window on the main screen, and also heard that using it for the sniping function was a bit unwieldy. The only real use of the GamePad I ever hear about is the remote play functionality, but even that is limited in that it has to be within a short distance of the console to function. So at this point, Nintendo has it bundled in with their console, adding approximately $100 to the cost, and it's not being utilized by any game developer. That's just tragic.

Something I did notice in my research of WiiU games (and Wii games as well) is that Japan actually gets a lot LESS titles than North America or Europe/Australia. The Wii has just over 400 games in Japan, whereas North America had closer to 1000. The same kind of ratio looks like it will hold true for the WiiU as well. Admittedly, Japan seems to miss a lot of crap in the way of games of movie tie-ins, that accounts for quite a large number, but then there are things like the Lego games for WiiU, which (other than Undercover) haven't released in Japan.

 

[Smooth Operator]

OP those comments didn't even hint at hatred, I don't know why but for some reason you Nintendo fans are just perpetually creating threads that grasp at the faintest straws in hopes of drumming up some flamewar around the WiiU...
Look mate people really don't care, if you need the drama in your life then come out and say it, but outside these desperation threads no one is even talking about the WiiU.

 

[Roxas1359]

The Wii U makes an easy target for system wars crap, on one side you have Trolls and Sony / MS fans who love to gloat and on the other side you have gamers who enjoy the WiiU and feel frustrated because they think the WiiU has some fantastic games (I fall in that camp). Put them both together and you have constant derailment where no one talks about the games.

You forgot the third group, gamers who bought the Wii U (some before the price drop) who are disappointed at the fact that Nintendo hasn't capitalized on the fact that they had a full year head start over the rest of the competition. Yes, the PS4 and Xbox One don't really have any games, and I don't know about you but I see people saying that all the time, but at the same time people aren't going to completely harp on them because you need to remember that they only launched 3 months ago, hell the PS4 barely launched about 2 weeks ago in Asian territories and the Xbox One still hasn't even been given a date there. The Wii U on the other hand has been out worldwide for over a year, and Nintendo hasn't capitalized on it in the slightest, to the point where I honestly don't think they are even trying at this point to advertise the console.

Again, to use Wonderful 101 as an example, it should have been marketed up the wazoo! It was a new IP, exclusive to Nintendo's newest console, and what advertising did it get? Not a single television ad, and nothing in stores or anything at all. The result, it completely bombed in the market despite being an amazing new idea that used the GamePad well. Meanwhile you've got Microsoft who is advertising TitanFall like crazy, even though it's not exclusive to the Xbox One, and people are generally hyped for it.

At this stage in the game I look at Nintendo as the stubborn old man in an action movie. Been doing this for a while, knows the ropes, hits a stumbling block in their life causing a set back, but ultimately adapting because they are just too damn stubborn to go down without a fight.

They'll pull it out. They may take a few hits but they'll come out. Learn something and then move forward.

They'll pull out of it yeah, but they need to change some things badly. Some people think that Iwata and the other CEOs should be fired, and I think that's just retarded. I commend Iwata for still doing the Japanese style of business by taking paycuts, but at the same time he still has a family to feed and still needs to live, and he's taken a 58% paycut so he can't really take another one now can he. No, if anyone deserved to get fired, or at least reprimanded to hell, it's Nintendo's PR division, as they've been slacking off big time, especially in Europe where, according to my friends in England, Wii U advertising is non-existent in stores and they rarely get TV ads. It's also a problem in the US when it comes to ads being shown. I have my TV on children's networks (Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network) as white noise all day, and the amount of times I've seen the ads on TV because it's so low. Especially when it comes to the games. The Pikmin 3 ad was only played about 2 times, Super Mario 3D World's was only about 3, Tropical Freeze was about 4 times (definitely the most now), Wind Waker HD had none, Wonderful 101 had none; Sonic Lost World actually had the most times and showed the actual Wii U longer than most Nintendo ads do.

It's also apparent that the ads they do make just don't have that charm anymore, especially the ones just about the Wii U. The family's in the "Wii would like to play" ads felt like genuine families actually having fun together. Now let's see how the Wii U ads hold up:


The families in that ad fell fake and forced, and as a result it fells as though they are just putting on an act; the actual console itself is only shown at the end of the video with the GamePad taking up most of the time on screen, resulting in this confusion people had that the GamePad was just an accessory to the Wii U.
I will give the ad this though, it's still better than this one:


Again, we have the problem of the families looking fake and forced like we had in the original launch ad; the GamePad is still taking up more time than the actual system, and really you can push the controller but people still need to see the damn thing that the disc goes in.

 

[COMaestro]

Again, to use Wonderful 101 as an example, it should have been marketed up the wazoo! It was a new IP, exclusive to Nintendo's newest console, and what advertising did it get? Not a single television ad, and nothing in stores or anything at all. The result, it completely bombed in the market despite being an amazing new idea that used the GamePad well. Meanwhile you've got Microsoft who is advertising TitanFall like crazy, even though it's not exclusive to the Xbox One, and people are generally hyped for it.

This. So much this. Admittedly I watched gameplay for Wonderful 101 and wasn't impressed, so I would not have purchased it anyway, but other people MAY have if they had known about it.

No, if anyone deserved to get fired, or at least reprimanded to hell, it's Nintendo's PR division, as they've been slacking off big time, especially in Europe where, according to my friends in England, Wii U advertising is non-existent in stores and they rarely get TV ads. It's also a problem in the US when it comes to ads being shown. I have my TV on children's networks (Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network) as white noise all day, and the amount of times I've seen the ads on TV because it's so low. Especially when it comes to the games. The Pikmin 3 ad was only played about 2 times, Super Mario 3D World's was only about 3, Tropical Freeze was about 4 times (definitely the most now), Wind Waker HD had none, Wonderful 101 had none; Sonic Lost World actually had the most times and showed the actual Wii U longer than most Nintendo ads do.

To be fair, I saw plenty of ads for Super Mario 3D World, but I agree with all the others. There was virtually no advertisement for any of the other games on television.

 

[Roxas1359]

To be fair, I saw plenty of ads for Super Mario 3D World, but I agree with all the others. There was virtually no advertisement for any of the other games on television.

Which State do you live in, because in southern California the only ads for 3D World that were ever played was the ad I posted in my post above, that's the only one that ever played in my area. Heck I just saw an ad that apparently played in the UK that got me pumped for 3D World, I already have it though, and then the thought went into my head "why wasn't this made the advertisement instead of the abomination we got."

 

[CaptainMarvelous]

Nintendo is doing what it does best, and that is cater to the family and small child community. The people that are "hating" are late twenty-year-old to mid-forty-year-old who don't have kids, and can't seem to understand that a normal eight year old likes these kinds of games. The Wii U has made a leap by adding games like Bayonetta 2, trying to bring in more adult users, but they are sticking to what they are good at. I love Nintendo for that reason, it is family friendly, and most of the M-rated games that do make it into the Nintendo system are third-party.

I know this isn't an aggressive thing but it illustrates something I take an issue with kinda well so I'm borrowing it:

Why is it Nintendo is automatically equated with being for small children/families? Metroid is the closest you're going to get to a proper Aliens game, Earthbound is dark as hell, Fire Emblem is an unforgiving RTS series. But Mario has colours and they still have a mascot who isn't rocking an HK-37 so they're seen as childish. Why is something being fun now immature? Why doesn't this same attitude extend to mobile games (Angry Birds is just for kids, Candy Crush is only for younger gamers, etc). Why are colours now only for kids? Are games without firearms like Trix or something?

Any console not on this list? Region locked.

Uhh... You do realise that the PS4 and Xbone are on that list, right?

Those are the only two that are really relevant at this stage, and likely the only consoles anyone is going to talk about in comparison with the WiiU.

Nope. They're not the only ones that are relevant.

How IS the Ouya doing? That's still in the running right?

 

[Flammablezeus]

I don't get the hate for it, personally. Compared to the Xbone and PS4, it's the only one worth getting for me. Wii U has (and will have) more interesting first-party games than the other two, by far. Also, it has methods of control which can't really be replicated on PC. Yet the other two consoles have barely any interesting exclusives out or coming out, and have fewer control options than PC or Wii U. Second Son would interest me if it didn't look like a cheap reskin of the other inFamous games, but even then, one game doesn't make a good console.

On top of that, the PS4 and Xbone require additional fees just to play the multiplayer portions of games you've already paid (a ridiculous amount of money) for. Without the option for LAN and almost no support for local multiplayer, I don't see how anybody could justify playing games on those consoles when there are so many other options that don't screw you over.

 

[ZephyriaSoul]

Nintendo is doing what it does best, and that is cater to the family and small child community. The people that are "hating" are late twenty-year-old to mid-forty-year-old who don't have kids, and can't seem to understand that a normal eight year old likes these kinds of games. The Wii U has made a leap by adding games like Bayonetta 2, trying to bring in more adult users, but they are sticking to what they are good at. I love Nintendo for that reason, it is family friendly, and most of the M-rated games that do make it into the Nintendo system are third-party.

I know this isn't an aggressive thing but it illustrates something I take an issue with kinda well so I'm borrowing it:

Why is it Nintendo is automatically equated with being for small children/families? Metroid is the closest you're going to get to a proper Aliens game, Earthbound is dark as hell, Fire Emblem is an unforgiving RTS series. But Mario has colours and they still have a mascot who isn't rocking an HK-37 so they're seen as childish. Why is something being fun now immature? Why doesn't this same attitude extend to mobile games (Angry Birds is just for kids, Candy Crush is only for younger gamers, etc). Why are colours now only for kids? Are games without firearms like Trix or something?

To be fair, of them, only Fire Emblem and Mario games are still being made. Nintendo seems to have said "Fuck you and your money" to Metroid fans, and same goes for Mother 3. And FE itself is rarely, if ever advertised.
So while nintendo MAY have more mature games (I enjoyed the shit out of The Conduit) The fact remains that the only ones that really ever get exposure are New Super Mario Bros 1-1/2 3D U Steve Jeff, and Zelda.

 

[Roxas1359]

To be fair, of them, only Fire Emblem and Mario games are still being made. Nintendo seems to have said "Fuck you and your money" to Metroid fans, and same goes for Mother 3. And FE itself is rarely, if ever advertised.
So while nintendo MAY have more mature games (I enjoyed the shit out of The Conduit) The fact remains that the only ones that really ever get exposure are New Super Mario Bros 1-1/2 3D U Steve Jeff, and Zelda.

Coincidentally, the same thing is the inverse for other systems. There are actual games for kids on the systems, but they aren't advertised much or at all. To use the PS3 as an example I didn't even know about the Puppeteer until I saw it in some threads, and then was shocked to see that it was Sony Computer Entertainment Japan Studios who made it. I was wondering why they didn't feel the need to advertise it much at all.

And to bring this back to Nintendo, I'm still waiting for my next damn F-Zero game Nintendo...>.>
*has all other F-Zero games*

 

[CaptainMarvelous]

To be fair, of them, only Fire Emblem and Mario games are still being made. Nintendo seems to have said "Fuck you and your money" to Metroid fans, and same goes for Mother 3. And FE itself is rarely, if ever advertised.
So while nintendo MAY have more mature games (I enjoyed the shit out of The Conduit) The fact remains that the only ones that really ever get exposure are New Super Mario Bros 1-1/2 3D U Steve Jeff, and Zelda.

Mother is kindof an awkward one, the producer himself felt it was done and doesn't really have a drive for Mother 4 (though they could have localised 3, I guess they just missed the window or stayed their hand cos of the 'samples' thing they were struggling with). No excuse for Metroid other than they still haven't worked out why Other M sold so badly.

But I still have this issue, why is Mario seen as being immature? Because it doesn't have him straight up murder Bowser at the end? Cos of the colours? I grant it doesn't handle mature subject matter but it doesn't feel like a 'kid's game' (taking this to mean bright colours, insubstantial, light on difficulty) it's just a platformer. Are we as a generation meant to have outgrown platforming?

 

[CaptainMarvelous]

And to bring this back to Nintendo, I'm still waiting for my next damn F-Zero game Nintendo...>.>
*has all other F-Zero games*

Bro, I had almost 20 years between Punch-Out games. Stay strong. Eventually the almighty N will realise what they have and stumble into huge piles of money again.