why some of you hate anime?

[GloatingSwine]

Your remarkable rant about Spidey- which I absolutely agree with, don't get me wrong- could be retooled to describe plenty of other popular media, including a few anime shows which did stupid, annoying things and still have a fanbase.

Oh there are certainly examples from other media, but most of those have eventually petered out and died (or will do, there is for example only so long the TV audience will put up with the fact that the main plot driver on Heroes is the colossal dimwittedness of Peter Petrelli, for instance, though the fact that they can currently distract half of the audience from this by having him take his shirt off is probably helping.). Comics are kept in print indefinitely so that their corporate owners can squeeze all the juicy licensing goodness out of film and toy rights, so even spectacularly bad writing (let alone the "art" of Rob "Pouches" Liefeld or Greg "Pornface" Land) goes completely unpunished commercially.

And here's a thing, Magical girls are 'Shojou' Young Girls, there published in girl magazines for girls, not for guys, for a guy not to like them I can understand, it definetly isn't marketed towards us.

Except when it is, like Magical Gundam Lyrical Nanoha.

 

[GloatingSwine]

Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha? is indeed a Shonen, that's Odd, but I've never seen it.
I know Haruhi is a Shonen, but that I understand.

Both are more Seinen than Shonen. Robot shows like Gundam and Macross, which is where Nanoha takes most of it's dramatic cues and action tropes, tend to be biggest in those demographics, and they're the main periphery demographic for magical girl shows, likewise Haruhi comes from light novels, which again have their biggest appeal in the older teen and young adult demographic.

 

[Vallen00]

I personally like some anime, but hate others. It has to due with how they stretch out the storyline so it can last longer on television, and how they sometimes insert things into the storyline that never happened in the manga. That, and how in pokemon, they arbitrarily ignore some rules in one episode and abide by them in others, and how much ash sucks compared to most anime heroes. The star/hero of any cartoon is supposed to come out on top 99% of the time and only lose to his rival, of which there is generally only one. Ash, however, loses approximately 60-70% of the time, has at least 10 rivals, and hasn't even come close to his goal of becoming a pokemon master. In fact, he seems to go out of his way to not become a master by not capturing 1 out of every approx. 30 pokemon he encounters. Anyway, sorry about going on so long about pokemon, but that show really pisses me off.

 

[mike1921]

I also can't stand the bubblegum anime series...bring back the overall darkness and maturity the older series had to them.

Soul Eater's sorta dark. I'm sure as hell it's darker than Naruto and Pokemon

2. What's wrong with normal cartoons that made you turn to anime in the first place? What makes Naruto any better than say... The Simpsons?

Bad example. The Simpsons has been shit for ages now.

If you want a better example, Avatar. Not only does it target the same demographic as Naruto (and all the other functionally identical shonen series), but it is one of the best pieces of television ever.

You are made of intercourse.

1. They spend too much time dilly-daddling around with pointless talking and the like. I don't watch Dragonball Z to watch Goku and his opponent taunt each other for half an hour, I watch it for the pretty, seizure-inducing colours.

Some of them. Yet again, Soul Eater. There may be some taunting but it's not "you can't defeat me *stares for 5 minutes* *bulges* "
The only power up sequences last 5 seconds.

2. What's wrong with normal cartoons that made you turn to anime in the first place? What makes Naruto any better than say... The Simpsons?

Naruto is automatically worse than anything that exists. Except jack thompson.

3. There's no room for artists to develop their own style. Look at how Naruto could be put into Inuyasha and it would still make sense. 'Everyone looks like they did their hair in the morning by dipping their head in a bucket of lead-based paint' if I might quote Yahtzee. Whereas, with more Americanized cartoons, one can easily tell the difference between Family Guy, The Simpsons, The Venture Brothers, Aqua Teen Hunger Force, etc.

Sorta got me there. But atleast Soul Eater is not that bad in that department. And the only one with Naruto sized hair is a naruto clone that I want killed.

One reason might be that the animation is often weird, the infamous "flap" can sometimes make english dubs sound goofy, no on ewants to watch cartoons with sub-titles, and seeing funbags, upskirts, and other cultural quirks that the Japanese don't mind putting in their cartoons makes some people cringe when watching anime. However, there is the occasionaly well written, well animated, well voiced work that only cuts things down to people who don't like cartoons in general

I don't mind sub-titles. If by funbags you mean boobs I don't see how you can't have them. Unless all your characters are infants. upskirts.......might be in anime but not in soul eater

 

[GloatingSwine]

Also i'm only going by the classifications on Haruhi and Nanoha.

Classifications from where? Also, remember that a franchise can be published at various levels in various incarnations. Haruhi originated as a Light Novel series aimed at a Seinen audience and serialised in The Sneaker (a Seinen magazine), but has a Shonen manga adaptation. It's anime series has an almost exclusively young adult fanbase.

Nanoha originated as a spinoff from a Hentai game. Real Shonen there, eh?

Besides Seinin means 18+ basically, Gantz and Berserk are both Seinin

Demographic classifications are a wooly thing at best. However, Seinen doesn't really mean 18+, the market is generally 15-30, and it's not about the content being inappropriate for younger audiences like in Gantz or Berserk, but more about it simply not being as appealing to them.

A memorable moment was Red using Poli (Poliwrath) and Pika to create indoor lightning clouds while Greens Ninetails heated the air, then using Saur (Venusaur) as a lightning rod against Charizard (Fights are 1 Ko = Defeat) Red becomes to youngest pokemon champion ever, and his team is awesome

Ahh, the good old Catapult Flying Turtle Gambit....

 

[mike1921]

Okay, here goes:

1) The graphics are very poor, the fact that it's drawn. The shadows are just a bit darkened colors.

2) The animation usually is poor. They don't do fights good, only show them in one position, and then the background is moving, and somebody says "Ooh!". And the characters, when they're walking, they still walk awkwardly. Also, they have a little amount of facial expressions.

3) Most of it is made by Japanese people. Either extremely bloody, or extremely sexual. And what makes anime pathetic is that Japanese people put huge penises, tits etc things to people, because in reality, Japanese people lack in the size of both of those.

4) Animes usually lack in story, or either have cliche stories.
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1: that's pretty stereotypical but if you hate all cartoons, whatever.
2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZpOGffRqtM watch 1:00 to 1:40 and no the fights don't turn into DBZ fights. The closest we got was the school principal (yes, the principal. Yes that makes the main character a school girl but only technically. ) vs....well. this http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/4722/vlcsnap795064250x141cg9.png
3: LOL. I think the moon in soul eater disqualifies me from saying anything about it.
4: Eh, Soul Eater's story is sorta cliche but you're supposed to like the show for the fights, characters, and humour.

 

[Syntax Error]

I like a few shonen series. Like Bleach (don't hurt me). But JoJo's Bizarre Adventure is probably the best shonen series I know. Currently reading through Soul Eater (the written exam near the start was hilarious). Naruto, when I was still a wee lad, not so much now.

I'm more into seinen myself. Blade of the Immortal (from Dark Horse's translation, Mugen no Junin in Japanese) is my best pick. The protagonist, Manji, is immortal. But immortality dulls the blade, as he often gets hacked in almost every encounter because he relies on it too much. The ultra-violence, and the very dark issues make the series a very compelling read.

And I really need to get off my arse and find a copy of Grave of the Fireflies. I heard you're a heartless bastard if you don't shed even a single tear on that one.

 

[Samurai Goomba]

I like a few shonen series. Like Bleach (don't hurt me). But JoJo's Bizarre Adventure is probably the best shonen series I know. Currently reading through Soul Eater (the written exam near the start was hilarious). Naruto, when I was still a wee lad, not so much now.

I'm more into seinen myself. Blade of the Immortal (from Dark Horse's translation, Mugen no Junin in Japanese) is my best pick. The protagonist, Manji, is immortal. But immortality dulls the blade, as he often gets hacked in almost every encounter because he relies on it too much. The ultra-violence, and the very dark issues make the series a very compelling read.

And I really need to get off my arse and find a copy of Grave of the Fireflies. I heard you're a heartless bastard if you don't shed even a single tear on that one.

Yeah, Blade of the Immortal and JoJo are awesome. They're good examples of manga that have literary merit, as well.

 

[Samurai Goomba]

You pretty much are a heartless bastard if you don't shed a single tear at Grave of the Fireflies, I have yet to meet a person who didn't, I did, I was sitting down this was right after watching Nausica and the valley of the Wind, so as soon as I saw that i was thinking "WHAT THE HELL! Okay this killed my 'happy buzz'"

I didn't cry at it. In fact, I thought the movie was pretty awful. It was just a snuff film featuring children. Since the outcome was given away at the beginning, it was very hard for me to really care. I liked Kiki's Delivery Service better, that felt like an anime version of Little Orphan Annie (which was awesome.)

 

[s-l-u-g]

i don't hate anime, i do enjoy it when it's good.

Anything from studio ghibli for example, i've enjoyed everything i've ever seen from them (thank you film4 for that wonderfull season.)
But what i don't like is the damn fanboys! the "otakus" of anime.
I HATE them, i mean, why must they be like "ohh haiii i like that animmeee hai hai hai it is kawaiiii desu desu desu!" really, sometimes i wanna go over there, slap them, shout STFU, tell them if they wanna learn Nihongo (japanese then do so, but don't pick itty bits of words out of itty shitty animes.
You wouldn't like it if japanese people came over and started acting like fucking pop-eye!
I'm glad to have that off my chest, thank you.

I've only ever finished two animes; Full metal alchemist and Gantz.
Quite enjoyable, and ofcourse, who doesn't like hentai ?

 

[GothmogII]

i don't hate anime, i do enjoy it when it's good.

Anything from studio ghibli for example, i've enjoyed everything i've ever seen from them (thank you film4 for that wonderfull season.)
But what i don't like is the damn fanboys! the "otakus" of anime.
I HATE them, i mean, why must they be like "ohh haiii i like that animmeee hai hai hai it is kawaiiii desu desu desu!" really, sometimes i wanna go over there, slap them, shout STFU, tell them if they wanna learn Nihongo (japanese then do so, but don't pick itty bits of words out of itty shitty animes.
You wouldn't like it if japanese people came over and started acting like fucking pop-eye!
I'm glad to have that off my chest, thank you.

I've only ever finished two animes; Full metal alchemist and Gantz.
Quite enjoyable, and ofcourse, who doesn't like hentai ?

Are you kidding?! I'd love it if a Japanese person came up to me and started acting like Popeye, it'd be hilarious xD

Speaking of which, here's a Popeye anime parody on Youtube, which, makes fun of many of the cliches anime are prone too. -HOWEVER-, while I realise that these can be irritating things in their own right, it is in no way indicative of all anime of course.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr-sUcynhmE

 

[broadband]

jeh, that video was hilarious ``i must have some opium in this thing´´

i think somewhere i readed that parody also shows that the western characters seems to dont learn anything or something like that, anyway its funny.

 

[ampa451]

Over-lengthened storyline, overly generalized view of Japans culture, Why are most main characters always teens?, complexity, too much effort in its artistic style, its always blamed to be a bad influence in the west for its violence/adult themes (but it cant help itself), unlikable fan base, repetitive themes/cliches, redundant meter often needs repairs, can get pretentious, etc...

 

[PatientGrasshopper]

It is often difficult to tell what gender a character is just by looking at them.Unless of course it is one of the animes where all the ladies have huge breasts.

 

[PirateKing]

I love anime. Considering that all good american cartoons(Invader Zim, Megas XLR, Samurai Jack) get cancelled before their time; we have anime, that can last for years and hundreds of episodes, to pacify us with massive, epic stories.
Not to say that all American stuff is bad and all Japanese stuff is flawless. The fillers in Naruto made me want to put myself into a coma until Shippuden started.

 

[BGinsanity]

I dont hate anime just dont enjoy bout 99% of it. Like, id never look down on anyone who watches it (ignoring the fact that looking down on anyone based on what they watch is retarded) just most animes seem too alike to me. Most of it is crap in my opinion. But i do like some of it. Mainly like Dragon Ball Z,(Even though fights last 10 goddamn episodes), i watched some of Bleach(Interesting Concept), and Hellsing(Alucard was a badass). I thinks thats it though, may be one or two others just most anime doesnt appeal to me.